What the Left is missing about poor Blacks
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That's not thanking the teachers unions for restrictions on class curriculum. That's simply pointing out who the obstacles to innovation & choice are.
Again, you are crazy......it is the restrictions that restrict your "innovation"........
And who imposes the restrictions or fights against those who want to see them removed?
That's exactly right. So why are you pushing for charter schools? Wouldn't/shouldn't your argument be to get rid of the regulations on traditional public schools?
It is! I am! Charter schools are my solution. What's yours? Eliminating teacher unions? Probably not.
OK then, how?
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The day I see Leftists advocating for an end to the grip the NEA or AFT has on public education will be the day I am convinced the Nation has taken a giant leap forward!
Where are you getting that the teacher's union is causing the problems with government regulations? They are fighting these regulations........duh!!!!
So, teacher's do not deserve legal representation or protections at their workplace? Teacher's never get sued? Teacher's never get injured on the job?
Hahaha
There is literally zero that could be said that would ever get me to agree with a need for a Teacher’s union.
I wonder since you are not answering my question if you could at least tell me exactly who is blocking the innovation and reforms you yourself would like to see in Public education?
I've offered Charter schools as part of the solution and as far as I can tell it is in fact Teacher Unions blocking them. You see it differently?
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They seem to function quite successfully in Private schools, and in Charter schools where they are free from Union rules they function much more effectively.
Even you agree the rules and limits they must deal with in Government run schools hamper their effectiveness. So who is keeping them from being more efficient?
So you think that the teacher's union is wanting the government to have all these regulations and restrictions? Oh, no....you said you "didn't say that" earlier......yet you are here, again, making that assumption.......
In the next 20 years, the truth of what these charter schools are really about......and it is NOT education.......and the test scores will reflect exactly what they are showing right now......
I asked you who is blocking the reforms and lifting of restrictions you say are needed?
If you're not going to answer why not just say "I'm not going to answer" instead of all the BS you keep regurgitating?
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Interesting discussion on education, and there are some misguided opinions.
Basically three types schools: public where state sets standards; charter where state sets standards for basics and some latitude in what you are chartered(specialized) to do differently - alternate teaching, special needs, arts, CATE(Career and Technology Education), Language Arts, etc.;
Private where you meet state standards and developing college prep as an objective. Will find IB and AP as part of curriculum.
The teaching prep - in public schools requires college education. Most are require to take/pass Paraxis I test on general knowledge. Later pass Paraxis II test on the subject area to teach in classroom. Add those who have a background and elect to take Paraxis II test and pass without all of the Education classes. Or CATE can be competent in field with experience in some field , such as: automotive mechanic ; welding; carpentry; etc. Funding comes from state, local and fed.
Charter : Ditto in most cases meet same requirements. Funding follows the student with state money.
Private: Do not have to meet state standards. Not unusual to find Engineer teaching math; Lawyer teaching English; or others teaching a field in which they are professionals in.
These are the main differences. You may have other exceptions to add.
Basically three types schools: public where state sets standards; charter where state sets standards for basics and some latitude in what you are chartered(specialized) to do differently - alternate teaching, special needs, arts, CATE(Career and Technology Education), Language Arts, etc.;
Private where you meet state standards and developing college prep as an objective. Will find IB and AP as part of curriculum.
The teaching prep - in public schools requires college education. Most are require to take/pass Paraxis I test on general knowledge. Later pass Paraxis II test on the subject area to teach in classroom. Add those who have a background and elect to take Paraxis II test and pass without all of the Education classes. Or CATE can be competent in field with experience in some field , such as: automotive mechanic ; welding; carpentry; etc. Funding comes from state, local and fed.
Charter : Ditto in most cases meet same requirements. Funding follows the student with state money.
Private: Do not have to meet state standards. Not unusual to find Engineer teaching math; Lawyer teaching English; or others teaching a field in which they are professionals in.
These are the main differences. You may have other exceptions to add.
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MWV actually had some excellent ideas on lifting burdensome restrictions and offering choices in TPS curricula but he refuses to recognize who is blocking those needed reforms?
What you posted here could also be part of the solution in terms of providing quality education alternatives to TPS but once again you run into the biggest obstacle facing any ideas to reform failing traditional public schools.
The NEA and the AFT
Two 3 letter bad words you just can't mention while discussing badly needed Government school reforms.
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That is a political problem for the state to handle. State would have to remove right to organize. Alternatively get the teachers to de-certify which is unlikely. Family is not union oriented. When wife began teaching, she refused union. A fellow teacher told her the only way to have legal protection at a cheap rate(monthly dues). Only reason to join. After a couple months teaching, she saw the potential need for legal help and took union offered Atty. Daughters elected to not join.
I'm sympathetic to the rank-and-file members because generally they only do what the union leadership tells them.
As MWV pointed out most times they are trying to get the restrictions lifted but they are blocked by their leadership. To me the problem simply argues for more Charter schools and private schools, where teachers and school administrators are more in charge than union leaders.
Go back and read the study. Private schools weren't included in the data. I said when you compare Private schools to the Public schools (even allowing for the improved Charter school scores) the Private schools perform at significantly higher levels.
This argument makes no sense unless your "opinion data" means more than mine. We both are citing data from folks we're familiar with. You dismiss mine and elevate yours, then blame me for using "only mine". So who's else did you use MWV?
If this is the real reason Federal Government employees keep their kids out of Public schools they have a Hell of a lot of nerve. The kids of the very taxpayers who pay their salaries are not 'equal' enough to send their kids to school with?
They depend on those taxpayers to fund their lavish lifestyles then look down their noses on the kids from those same hard working Americans who sacrifice just to pay their confiscatory tax rates? But their kids (Government worker's) are "too good" to attend Government run Public schools with the "lower classes"? I'd force them all to send their kids to Public schools or they can go find a real job in the Private sector! What an arrogant thing to suggest about mere Government employees who depend on taxpayers for their livelihoods! What makes them better than the hard working folks who are paying their bloated salaries to do nothing?
You need to come up with a better reason than that one MWV.
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