What the Left is missing about poor Blacks

[atlkvb]

Now to be sure, I've been posting about this Trump initiative since almost the day he's taken Office. I serve on his Minority outreach business advisory panel which is a component of this. We help identify small business ventures, procure seed funding for them, as well as help them with applying for tax free enterprise zones and writing effective business plans to present to investors. It's called the "Reducing poverty in America by promoting opportunity and Economic mobility" Executive order.

Or quite simply the "work opportunity" act. I know it's not reported, and very little of it is known, but we've been at it now for over a year and I'm telling you it's making a HUGE difference with Black voters. What I can't figure out, is why the Left isn't for this? What better way to improve the economic fortunes of minorities in this country, than through meaningful work and entrepreneurship?

Excerpt from article:
"The executive order directs federal agencies to review the some 80 federal anti-poverty programs, consolidate where there is redundancy and overlap, and look to reform by applying the principles of hard work and self-sufficiency. Let's make sure that every dollar spent goes to those truly in need and that those dollars are spent to maximize the likelihood that the recipients will get on their feet and become independent, productive, income-earning citizens"

Dr. Ben Carson through HUD is applying these principles in his work to reform that agency, and Education Secretary Dr. Betsy DeVos is using a similar approach in her drive to increase school choice for poor Parents.

It's not about how much money you spend on the poor, it's about how effective the money you spend is

Full article:
https://townhall.com/columnists/sta...lly-important-antipoverty-initiative-n2471814

 

[Keyser76]

What is the Right missing about poor Whites? lol.

 

[atlkvb]

What is the Right missing about poor Whites? lol.

Same thing. Self sufficiency. But the Right isn't opposed to poor folks working instead of collecting Welfare checks. Leftists are.

 

[MountaineerWV]

School choice? I love how these people use the word "choice", or the "lack of choices" for parents. I'd love to get my electricity from another company.........can I do that? The attack on public education is a fraud. The only thing these people are concerned about it lining their own pockets and their contributors with the profits from government and charter schools........

 

[atlkvb]

School choice? I love how these people use the word "choice", or the "lack of choices" for parents. I'd love to get my electricity from another company.........can I do that? The attack on public education is a fraud. The only thing these people are concerned about it lining their own pockets and their contributors with the profits from government and charter schools........

No the only thing these people are concerned about is getting these kids out of failing Government run schools. I thought Leftists were "Pro choice"? Why can't Parents pick the school of their "choice"?

 

[Airport]

Now to be sure, I've been posting about this Trump initiative since almost the day he's taken Office. I serve on his Minority outreach business advisory panel which is a component of this. We help identify small business ventures, procure seed funding for them, as well as help them with applying for tax free enterprise zones and writing effective business plans to present to investors. It's called the "Reducing poverty in America by promoting opportunity and Economic mobility" Executive order.

Or quite simply the "work opportunity" act. I know it's not reported, and very little of it is known, but we've been at it now for over a year and I'm telling you it's making a HUGE difference with Black voters. What I can't figure out, is why the Left isn't for this? What better way to improve the economic fortunes of minorities in this country, than through meaningful work and entrepreneurship?

Excerpt from article:
"The executive order directs federal agencies to review the some 80 federal anti-poverty programs, consolidate where there is redundancy and overlap, and look to reform by applying the principles of hard work and self-sufficiency. Let's make sure that every dollar spent goes to those truly in need and that those dollars are spent to maximize the likelihood that the recipients will get on their feet and become independent, productive, income-earning citizens"

Dr. Ben Carson through HUD is applying these principles in his work to reform that agency, and Education Secretary Dr. Betsy DeVos is using a similar approach in her drive to increase school choice for poor Parents.

It's not about how much money you spend on the poor, it's about how effective the money you spend is

Full article:
https://townhall.com/columnists/sta...lly-important-antipoverty-initiative-n2471814

I liked Rand Paul's proposal to let certain areas in run down cities be tax free zones.

 

[MountaineerWV]

No the only thing these people are concerned about is getting these kids out of failing Government run schools. I thought Leftists were "Pro choice"? Why can't Parents pick the school of their "choice"?

You didn't answer why I cannot choose my electric provider? Mine is failing me.....

 

[atlkvb]

I liked Rand Paul's proposal to let certain areas in run down cities be tax free zones.

Yes. We are working aggressively to get these designations instituted in as many inner city or distressed areas as we can. Ironically (not surprisingly really) we run into reluctant local Democrat pols who often refuse to grant the designations! These tax free zones are for their own people, and some won't allow it because it will help Trump look good! Only business income taxes will be excluded, not property or local sales taxes.

They claim they can't afford to lose the revenue but that's a Red Herring because right now these are blighted areas where NO revenue is coming in anyway! Plus the increase of economic activity from new businesses opening and cleaning up these blighted areas will actually bring additional long term revenues into them. They still refuse!

Unreal.

 

[atlkvb]

You didn't answer why I cannot choose my electric provider? Mine is failing me.....

Actually you can. Some local jurisdictions do limit your options, but if you can find an electric provider who is allowed to compete in your particular area to provide your service you can pick them. Also you can always move to an area where a provider of your choice operates.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Actually you can. Some local jurisdictions do limit your options, but if you can find an electric provider who is allowed to compete in your particular area to provide your service you can pick them. Also you can always move to an area where a provider of your choice operates.

And parents can move to a new school system.......and if you are talking about Co-ops, that's not everywhere........Me, I don't prefer to move at the time being.......

 

[atlkvb]

You didn't answer why I cannot choose my electric provider? Mine is failing me.....

Public schools wouldn't have to close under school choice vouchers. They will be able to compete for those dollars along with other schools. If they are doing a great job, they will actually attract more students and funding. However if they are failing or can't compete, many of them can and should close. Competition is what will improve ALL education, not just the Private schools.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Public schools wouldn't have to close under school choice vouchers. They will be able to compete for those dollars along with other schools. If they are doing a great job, they will actually attract more students and funding. However if they are failing or can't compete, many of them can and should close. Competition is what will improve ALL education, not just the Private schools.

As you stated previously, the parents can just "move" to a "good" school district....or pay for a private school......[thumbsup]

 

[atlkvb]

And parents can move to a new school system.......and if you are talking about Co-ops, that's not everywhere........Me, I don't prefer to move at the time being.......

That's fine. The idea behind school vouchers is to spark competition for those dollars instead of a Government only run monopoly. Electric and utility companies compete for customers. Grocers do. Automobile sellers do. So do Home builders. Even Higher Education competes for students and offers high quality options to wide varieties of students seeking particular emphasis in their degree pursuits. Not all schools are the same, but many offer a wide variety of high quality choices.

Vouchers are about introducing the same competition at the primary grade levels too.

 

[atlkvb]

As you stated previously, the parents can just "move" to a "good" school district....or pay for a private school......[thumbsup]

Yes they can. Or they may find valuable choice options right where they live that aren't available now because there are no choices currently. The point is, competition improves everyone.

 

[atlkvb]

As you stated previously, the parents can just "move" to a "good" school district....or pay for a private school......[thumbsup]

Correct. However poor Parents don't have that option. They are forced only into failing schools. The vouchers only go to Families in need of assistance to find better options for their kids. Well off Families who can afford to send their kids to Private schools are already doing it, and don't need vouchers.

 

[MountaineerWV]

So, if public schools are "failing".....and charter schools are the answer......then where will the teachers come from? In most areas, these charter schools will only hire the same teachers you claim are "failing" students.......perhaps the answer is staring right in front of us all.........the STUDENTS and not the education system are failing.......

 

[MountaineerWV]

But, to put it simply, who cares if you are poor? Right? I've read many on here preaching out against government hand-outs to the poor for food or assistance in utilities......but you are for school vouchers? Interesting........

If they want a "good" school, then perhaps pack up, find a job somewhere in a "good" community", and problem solved!!!!

 

[bornaneer]

the STUDENTS and not the education system are failing.......

You idiot.......What do you think the education system is charged with.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You idiot.......What do you think the education system is charged with.

Idiot? I remember the old saying that my parents once said...."you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink".........Get it?

 

[bornaneer]

Idiot? I remember the old saying that my parents once said...."you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink".........Get it?

Yes.....Your parents were/are very smart......Sorry you failed to heed that advice.

 

[atlkvb]

So, if public schools are "failing".....and charter schools are the answer......then where will the teachers come from? In most areas, these charter schools will only hire the same teachers you claim are "failing" students.......perhaps the answer is staring right in front of us all.........the STUDENTS and not the education system are failing.......

Teachers can come in a variety of ways through a variety of Professions. They don't all have to come out of the same system and in fact they won't because there will be a need for more of them as more Charter and Private schools open up. They can come from Business, Colleges, even home educators. My youngest son went to a Charter school here in Georgia where many of the teachers were professional people in other fields. This was Public Charter school, and it was great for him because the classrooms were interactive and taught in a virtual internet setting. He stayed home while attending school!

Here check it out!
https://www.connectionsacademy.com/georgia-virtual-school

 

[MountaineerWV]

Teachers can come in a variety of ways through a variety of Professions. They don't all have to come out of the same system and in fact they won't because there will be a need for more of them as more Charter and Private schools open up. They can come from Business, Colleges, even home educators. My youngest son went to a Charter school here in Georgia where many of the teachers were professional people in other fields. This was Public Charter school, and it was great for him because the classrooms were interactive and taught in a virtual internet setting. He stayed home while attending school!

Here check it out!
https://www.connectionsacademy.com/georgia-virtual-school

And that system may work in heavily populated or industrialized areas.......not so much in small, rural communities. Sorry.......

 

[atlkvb]

But, to put it simply, who cares if you are poor? Right? I've read many on here preaching out against government hand-outs to the poor for food or assistance in utilities......but you are for school vouchers? Interesting........

If they want a "good" school, then perhaps pack up, find a job somewhere in a "good" community", and problem solved!!!!

That is also an option for some no doubt and some do!...However the vouchers are for them to find better schools, not for their personal use. No one on the Right is opposed to helping poor people in need of temporary public assistance. The operative word is temporary, and certainly not in place of work.

 

[atlkvb]

And that system may work in heavily populated or industrialized areas.......not so much in small, rural communities. Sorry.......

The internet works anywhere, and everywhere. Even if not that, schools can open up anywhere and everywhere. We just had a charter school recently open up in an abandoned Supermarket plaza.

 

[MountaineerWV]

The internet works anywhere, and everywhere. Even if not that, schools can open up anywhere and everywhere. We just had a charter school recently open up in an abandoned Supermarket plaza.

You fail to understand this.......how will a charter school attract the teachers needed to a rural, small community where pay stinks and there's nothing to do? They won't. Instead, they will hire from the same "bad" teacher pool that you all are bitching about always........It's the same logic as to why big plants don't open up in rural parts of West Virginia........same logic

 

[Keyser76]

You fail to understand this.......how will a charter school attract the teachers needed to a rural, small community where pay stinks and there's nothing to do? They won't. Instead, they will hire from the same "bad" teacher pool that you all are bitching about always........It's the same logic as to why big plants don't open up in rural parts of West Virginia........same logic

They get their ideas and by god no facts or statistics will sway them, lol.

 

[atlkvb]

And that system may work in heavily populated or industrialized areas.......not so much in small, rural communities. Sorry.......

Did you watch the video on the link I provided MWV? If you did, you can easily see Government is not the only option educating our kids. This Charter school is phenomenally successful and it is also ironically a Public school fully funded by the State of Georgia.

It is a model being copied all over the nation. If you care about kids having better education options, this is an answer. Not THE answer, but certainly an option for many poorer Parents. This school was 100% free. All eligible Parents needed to sign up was a computer and high speed internet connection.

 

[atlkvb]

You fail to understand this.......how will a charter school attract the teachers needed to a rural, small community where pay stinks and there's nothing to do? They won't. Instead, they will hire from the same "bad" teacher pool that you all are bitching about always........It's the same logic as to why big plants don't open up in rural parts of West Virginia........same logic

Why do developers go into areas where nothing exists, and years later whole planned communities are built? It's the same process here. The dynamic of need will produce an attraction for people with dollars to come and fill those needs. The reason these options aren't there now is because there's no financial incentive or "seed" money to provide them. We're trying to do the same things in inner cities with minority owned businesses and guess who's blocking us?

Yup...Leftists Democrat politicians who don't want to loose their power. Just like Democrat dominated Teacher Unions are opposed to Charter schools and Vouchers.

 

[Keyser76]

Same thing. Self sufficiency. But the Right isn't opposed to poor folks working instead of collecting Welfare checks. Leftists are.

Lol, every ****** I know gets a check in WV votes for the right. Evidently the only reason we have poor folk is cause they are lazy, lol, I assume that is why all the good paying jobs in WV are unfilled. What exactly is a "welfare" check anyway? WV economy would collapse without all the assistance checks and the self sufficient Republican small business owners that gladly except that money as payment. But hey, I'm a "have" that doesn't look for a reason to resent the "have nots" I'm just thankful.

 

[atlkvb]

They get their ideas and by god no facts or statistics will sway them, lol.

The one thing you cannot defend is the current failing Government run schools in many of these areas where poor Parents live. Ironically, many of these schools spend more money per pupil than more expensive Private schools and they still perform horribly. Atlanta Public schools is exhibit A.

 

[bornaneer]

Did you watch the video on the link I provided MWV? If you did, you can easily see Government is not the only option educating our kids. This Charter school is phenomenally successful and it is also ironically a Public school fully funded by the State of Georgia.

It is a model being copied all over the nation. If you care about kids having better education options, this is an answer. Not THE answer, but certainly an option for many poorer Parents. This school was 100% free. All eligible Parents needed to sign up was a computer and high speed internet connection.

Don't waste your time.....these folks can't/won't think out of the box. MWV's parents got it right...."you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

 

[atlkvb]

Lol, every ****er I know gets a check in WV votes for the right. Evidently the only reason we have poor folk is cause they are lazy, lol, I assume that is why all the good paying jobs in WV are unfilled. What exactly is a "welfare" check anyway? WV economy would collapse without all the assistance checks and the self sufficient Republican small business owners that gladly except that money as payment. But hey, I'm a "have" that doesn't look for a reason to resent the "have nots" I'm just thankful.

You are very condescending and ignorant suggesting poor people don't want to work. Most poor folks simply lack job skills or education, but if jobs were available they would work. Why is it better to keep them on Government assistance than to encourage them to learn job skills or aspire to work? That's what this program does, by integrating business, schools, and mentorships along with encouraging jobs in distressed areas to provide opportunities...not handouts... to poor folks who simply need better options. Including education.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Don't waste your time.....these folks can't/won't think out of the box. MWV's parents got it right...."you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

Charter schools = follow the money!

 

[atlkvb]

Don't waste your time.....these folks can't/won't think out of the box. MWV's parents got it right...."you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

He might be lost, but those poor kids aren't.

 

[atlkvb]

Charter schools = follow the money!

Charter schools=more money for better schools

 

[MountaineerWV]

Follow the money!

https://networkforpubliceducation.o...ool-failures-scandals-occur-nearly-every-day/

 

[bornaneer]

He might be lost, but those poor kids aren't.

He still can't believe his racist gal lost.

 

[atlkvb]

He still can't believe his racist gal lost.

I don't think any Leftists will ever fully accept Hillary's defeat. (especially to that Orange colored Carnival barker) It really has devastated many of them and the proof of that is how off the chain bat sh*t crazy *** irrational most of them have become since she lost!

 

[boomerwv]

Enterprise zones don't work. Charter schools don't do a better job than public schools.

There is enormous data on both that shows this.

 

[atlkvb]

Follow the money!

https://networkforpubliceducation.o...ool-failures-scandals-occur-nearly-every-day/

Every vested interest in Public education, including your source will find ways to deadpan school choice vouchers. Why? Because they don't want the competition. Now ask yourself, what business that's high quality and worthwhile doesn't face competition? If yours doesn't, it's probably not very good.

Mine does (Auto business) and we offer our customers a high quality competitively priced product vs our competitors. Education choice is good and better because it spurs competition, and competition makes everyone better if they want want to compete.

The idea isn't to eliminate Public schools, it's to improve them...make the good ones better, and close the poor ones to replace them with something of greater quality that can compete. Better schools competing means better education choice options for students. Parents can choose which schools best meet their kid's educational needs.

You shop food competitors for your nutritional choices right? So let's give Parents the ability to shop Education choices for their kid's mental nourishment.