Did you actually read that article?
You of all people point to that article? I'm actually shocked. And it's not even remotely equatable to what 30Cat is talking about.
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You of all people point to that article? I'm actually shocked. And it's not even remotely equatable to what 30Cat is talking about.
How is that a case of shutting down speech? You support taking tax exempt status from churches that engage in politics kkkhypocrite.
Well, I opened that link and don't see what you're talking about, but...Let's do this.
You start. Post a specific article of a group of conservatives shutting down a liberal's free speech, then I'll go. Let's see who can post the most.
I know one kkkdumbass who will take those odds. Of couse he owns a gun even if it is just a little girls gun.
Great post......just end on that NRA talking point about gun grabbers.......can't help it can you?
People that can think for themselves understand that expressing your convictions (within reason) is protected and should be encouraged. And for the record, I was more supportive of Tebow than I was of Kaepernick.
But the fact remains that while people criticized tebow, the other side was calling for Kaepernick to be fired or worse. Even our dikhead president called protestors sons of bitches.
People that can think for themselves understand that expressing your convictions (within reason) is protected and should be encouraged. And for the record, I was more supportive of Tebow than I was of Kaepernick.
But the fact remains that while people criticized tebow, the other side was calling for Kaepernick to be fired or worse. Even our dikhead president called protestors sons of bitches.
It’s an example. An example of extreme political views being considered detrimental and anti-American. Even in one of the original posts in this thread, cat is referring to certain speech as “anti-American” speech. The point is that different opinions of thought are conducive to labeling that speech as negative or unworthy of the protection of the first admendment. The article referenced a liberal professor being attacked for their analysis of a political figure’s actions/words. It is analysis, right or wrong, that shouldn’t be “shut down”. It is no different than blocking a conservative speaker.
There has been liberal speakers blocked by conservative groups on college campuses. Both are wrong. I’m just getting tired of the general attack on the left on this issue. It is not a uniform stance of liberal that jokers to silence conservatives.
I will absolutely concede that there are more examples (perhaps even way more) of conservatives being blocked on campuses. And I do not think it’s right, unless done to avoid violence and injury. And even then, I think it’s still a shame.
My point is more to the point that this issue is not a liberal tenet. I’m liberal, and I think it’s best to bring all perspectives on a subject together in order to discover a legitimate position. People still differ on their opinions, but without hearing the other side (or sides) a passionate position doesn’t have solid ground.
I only felt the need to comment, because you didn’t list a specific instance. It was just a generalized attack on the left.
I’m still amazed you advocate for a teacher/professor to use their pulpit to push a political agenda and equate that to a speaker giving a voluntary discussion on campus. And yes, even if it’s protected it can be anti-American. I believe speech by White Supremacists to be Anti-American yet it’s still protected.
To the point of Cat’s post, it’s not even debatable who the biggest offenders of the suppression of speech are, specifically on college campuses are. It isn’t the right. Wake me up the next time there is a riot on campus when a liberal speaker is scheduled to speak.
The Left will NEVER figure out a way to convince Americans to give up their guns OM1. NEVER. They will however keep trying...bank on it.
But they're so arrogant and out of touch, they still haven't figured out that the harder they push to limit gun ownership and/or confiscate guns...the more guns they'll see bought and the more people they will convince to become gun owners & vote against them because of it! Funny how this always works against them.
I hope they keep it up.
The "want ads" and web based job postings are full of openings for 'Women's studies' experts. Companies are expanding their services and can't find enough qualified applicants. Even the women don't know where to look for help!
I think a college professor is a much MUCH different position than a public secondary school teacher. I have no problem with professors advocating their ideology in a college classroom. It’s a time for students to be themselves and challenge their own positions as well. Indoctrination at the college level? Please. These are adults.
Now let’s see.....the “right” (which to me for the purpose of this thread, are the ones who push this narrative every time a speaker is denied) see basically almost every university in this nation as “liberal”. Out of that enormous pool of institutions, there really aren’t that many blocking speakers. And even those institutions that are blocking speakers, don’t block every conservative speaker that is attempting to be scheduled.
The instances in which this occurs are simply magnified, imo. They aren’t right by any means....but it’s important to realize it isn’t AT ALL a consistent tenet of liberalism or even academia.
Thought speech is on the Left...and it isn't even close.
War on Campus...the escalating battle over College free speech
article:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/us/campus-free-speech-trnd/index.html
excerpt:
"Assaults on college free speech have been waged for decades, but they used to be top-down, originating with government or school administrators.
Today, experts say, students and faculty stifle speech themselves, especially if it involves conservative causes".
War on Campus...the escalating battle over College free speech
article:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/us/campus-free-speech-trnd/index.html
excerpt:
"Assaults on college free speech have been waged for decades, but they used to be top-down, originating with government or school administrators.
Today, experts say, students and faculty stifle speech themselves, especially if it involves conservative causes".
Must be why establishes and up and coming comics are refusing to do colleges these days. That open discourse and free challenging of established ideas and doctrines.
Again, you’re wrong.
And now we are at complete odds my friend. College is not about the professor or their opinions and ideas. Moreover, pushback on those ideas sees punitive action against students due to the subjective nature of grading. I’ve personally experienced this as I used to make it a point to weave conservatism into my papers for the sake of arguing and challenging my profs.
My favorite was arguing on behalf of companies who didn’t practice good ethical standards due to profit margins. My prof actually loved that I had the balls to say it.
That’s ********. The professor is the biggest part of college courses. That doesn’t mean it’s strictly his/her ideology that should dominate. Professors pick curriculum, they pick the texts, they pick the supplemental readings, the initiate the discussion. It is absolutely about the professors and their opinions and ideas. But it’s also about the atmosphere of debate and the motivation for discussion.
If a professor is stamping down a students opinions because it doesn’t match their own, that’s a bad Professor.....and it’s not the norm, despite what you want to believe. If a student can’t defend their opinions, it’s not a bad thing for a prof to tear them down without mercy.
Your ability to challenge your professors for the sake of challenge is exactly what I’m talking about. Sometimes discourse helps both side define their stance.
That’s on the comics. Protest is free speech too. Most colleges embrace free speech.
You go back and read your fvcking article and tell me what that liberal ***** was saying had any place in a ******* college lecture period and I’ll kiss you right on the mouth, Kenny Rogers.
Maybe. I don’t think so, but I’ll give you tacist, sexist, homophobic nazis a freaking maybe.
I think the best Profs encourage discovery, push intellect to new vistas, and establish protocols where orthodoxy or norms are often chellenged or either validated or supplanted by superior ideas. A University is all about discovery more than anything else, or perfecting that which has been established as correct, proven, and viable for the overall good. That is not what passes as instruction in many College lecture halls today. It is more about ideology and bending reality to fit a particular point of view---the anithesis of discovery and intellectual pursuit.
Amazing how so many on here are experts in what happens in the majority of classrooms at colleges nationwide. Who knew they were privy to the goings on inside each one of these classrooms. I guess they could be going on the hearsay from individuals with an agenda.......but.......nah, they wouldn't base their "knowledge" from that, would they? 
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If you disagree with anything that is considered correct by the Left, you are immediately labled an "ist", considered unworthy of future discussion, merit or debate. This is how they shut down dissent. They immediately label you or your ideas as against their norm. This is why you never hear the media refer to "Left wing extremists" as easily as they refer to "Right wing extremists". The "extreme" is anything outside of Leftist orthodoxy. There are no "extremes" on the Left, only what "is".
No, we use something not part of your lexicon of abilities. It’s called common sense, deductive reasoning, and historical experience coupled with recent anecdotal accounts. Look em up, amazing what happens when you apply 1 of those, let alone all three. Otherwise, you’re just stuck mumbling ignorant **** about Nazis and dictators. No offense. Well, maybe a little offense.Amazing how so many on here are experts in what happens in the majority of classrooms at colleges nationwide. Who knew they were privy to the goings on inside each one of these classrooms. I guess they could be going on the hearsay from individuals with an agenda.......but.......nah, they wouldn't base their "knowledge" from that, would they?
I think the essence of modern media interpretation hinges on the ability of one to take extremist views, analyze the message, dissect the divisive aspects of the message and dissolve the message into legitimate points for discourse. To initiate this process, the professor must play the advocate, and posture themselves as a passionate believer in the extreme. The underlining liberal tolerance of ideological variety must be cloaked in such extreme political passion in order to facilitate the facade of polarizing pressure for thought.
So simply, this professor exhibits the perfect act to initiate the action of challenge of thought. This cavalcade of emotional ignition in the classroom is evidence of the proper relationship between extreme views and discourse. Only through effective liberal trickery.
Of course my two previous posts were ********, as I’m sure you were well aware. And I will say that I think the Professor in the article was viewing Trump in simplistic terms that overstate his position. The professor was definitely bringing their own political views into the classroom.
However, to a certain extent, it’s impossible to not bring in your personal views and opinions in certain subjects. I had a journalism ethics professor that railed about how evil Disney was almost daily. He was a great professor. Try teaching Marx or Zinn without a little of your own views on the material not spilling out into the discussion. It’s impossible.
Examining how sentiments of fierce nationalism has manifested and played out in history is not ridiculous when discussing Trump. There are underlying issues in the immigration debate that are ignored by Trump’s opinions on the matter, which could be construed as racist by some.
Asserting and discussing these potential issues with a President or a Presidential candidate are not off limits for a college classroom. I would never allow myself to approach that debate in a high school classroom without strict care for balance and limitations, but on college campuses.....curriculum is less restrained and professors are less limited in their ability to allow their personal views to steer the ship.
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That said....I understand the original point cat was making. That the blocking of speakers that have true knowledge and valuable opinion to offer college students is foolish. Even if those views stand in stark contrast to ones beliefs, it offers a great opportunity for analysis and strengthens ones ability to debate issues and participate in meaningful discourse.
I’m just a little tired of hearing that it’s a general action “from the left”.....as if it’s some type of liberal common trait. It’s not. Call out specific instances, and I’ll be on here agreeing with the failure.....but the general attacks are out of control. And it’s not as commonly accepted amongst liberals as you think.
And I’ll also assert that entertainment and educational speeches are somewhat different in how they are evaluated in this regard.....at least by administrators.