Just thinking (shooting)
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They'd be less easily obtained and more expensive on the black market if they were illegal.
Not sure, nor do I really care. Nor do I care to hear about countries with no gun violence.
Mexicans have the right to own guns, but few do - CBS News
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Aug 17, 2016 - Mexico's lone gun store sold 52,147 firearms in 2009-14, a figure dwarfed by the black market trade that's largely fueled by illegal American imports. Mexican law bars guns from entering without an “extraordinary import authorization,” but enforcement is spotty: 73,684 of the 104,850 guns confiscated in ...
https://www.cbsnews.com › MoneyWatch › Trending
Aug 17, 2016 - Mexico's lone gun store sold 52,147 firearms in 2009-14, a figure dwarfed by the black market trade that's largely fueled by illegal American imports. Mexican law bars guns from entering without an “extraordinary import authorization,” but enforcement is spotty: 73,684 of the 104,850 guns confiscated in ...
Mexico: 2017 Saw Mexico's Highest Ever Murder Rate | Time
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Jan 22, 2018 - Mexico has recorded its highest homicide rate in years, with the government's interior ministry reporting there were 29,168 murders in 2017, more than in 2011 at the peak of Mexico's drug cartel-stoked violence. The death toll is Mexico's highest since the government began keeping records in 1997, and ...
time.com › World › Mexico
Jan 22, 2018 - Mexico has recorded its highest homicide rate in years, with the government's interior ministry reporting there were 29,168 murders in 2017, more than in 2011 at the peak of Mexico's drug cartel-stoked violence. The death toll is Mexico's highest since the government began keeping records in 1997, and ...
We already have plenty of limitations, but what other limitations would eliminate these tragedies? Nothing gets done in Congress because we have people on both sides that refuse to use facts and logic when discussing the issue. We get buzz phrases like "18 school shootings this year alone" ********, manipulation of facts, complete lack of understanding of the topic at hand. Rhetoric and emotion will NOT solve the problem.
So then what's the ultimate goal if it's not an elimination of these shootings? A reduction that meets an acceptable level? If so, then what's the most logical steps, and legal steps, that accommodates that? You appear to be using the "If we could only save one child" argument.
Fine. What's an "assault" rifle, and what other scrutiny do we apply that meets a legal standard and would work?
Thanks for proving my point.
And this is the part where I say, cut down on magazine size to 5 or 6 rounds...
Then you say, that's not effective because someone can switch out magazines super fast...
And then I say, well at least it gives LEOs a fighting chance to take him out while he is switching magazines...
And then you say ********....
And then I say, well at least it makes him carry around a bunch of magazines instead of just a couple or three, and that makes it more difficult to maneuver around with all those magazines....
And then you say you have no clue what you are talking about....
I've seen that movie....unfortunately we will see it again....f'ucking ground hog day (worst movie ever btw).
1) You're pretty much correct. When arguments can be shot down so easily, it's time to develop new arguments and ideas to eliminate the problem.
2) Now I know you are complete moron if you think Groundhog Day is the worst movie ever. It's a classic, one of Murray's best and it's script is taught in schools.
The ultimate goal is to eliminate all of these, but it's not realistic think they will just stop overnight.. Generational societal shifts need to occur. Not sure what is bad about lessening deaths in the meantime. Why does it need t be all or nothing? One child. Multiple children. All children. I'm ok with building to ultimate goals.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing, but we're not intellectually honest with ourselves when we say, "If we can just save one child's life" when we consistently make public policy choices that could effect saving that one child's life but don't.
I don’t think we have a problem with assault rifles. The data just doesn’t back it up. They’re responsibe for less than 10% of shooting deaths. Pistols account for 90%. The argument against assault rifles isn’t logical or backed up with facts.
Moreover, in a country of 300+ million. The impacts are negligible and within tolerance levels of like .000001%
Correct. And back to the point. Less than 10% of gun deaths are attributed to assault rifles. They aren’t a problem.
Only if you are saying mass shootings aren’t a problem.
Which wouldn’t surprise me coming from you.
Ok, by what metric and baseline do you establish mass shootings as a problem? What’s the bar? 1, 10, 100? Do we set the bar based on total shootings or total fatalities? Compared to what other metric? Drunk driving? Opiod deaths? Illegal drug deaths? Pool drownings?
But no, I don’t think they are a problem. They’re frightening. They’re horrific. They’re unpredictable. They’re a dog whistle for gun control advocates. What they aren’t is a statistically backed problem. How many millions of people own assault rifles? How many of those commit these acts? You get rid of assault rifles and these continue, and they will, then what? We go after pistols? Then what? Shotguns? Then what?
The gun control enthusiasts see assault weapons as the inroads towards their ultimate goal. If someone wants to have a true discussion and solve the problem, it starts with mental health as part and likely most of the initiative.
Not really. He left a post on a video saying that. The FBI was notified and investigated it beginning the morning after it was reported. However, just saying that, especially without specific, doesn't rise to the level of a crime. They determined just that. They didn't have enough to take the matter further and they didn't. They certainly couldn't have taken his guns without having convicted him of a felony. Just being on a watch list isn't even enough to restrict owning and purchasing guns. We had a huge debate just a couple years ago about why we don't restrict guns from people on no fly lists. That idea was fought tooth and nail by the NRA.
There is more of a connection with handguns and mass shootings, considering how some define "mass shootings" loosely.
I heard this morning that this kid was kicked out of a couple of private schools. Smaller class sizes are good for many reasons, but I don't think they were the issue here. It sounds like this young man was a very disturbed individual.
well that didn't take long....all these shootings are the fault of republicans...we get it....the more you post the stupider you get...if that is possible
My God....I agreed with Mountaineer WV on something....the rapture has GOT to be near