I was curious about the meeting in committee on the Dem memo...

Boomboom521

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http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180205/106838/HMTG-115-IG00-Transcript-20180205.pdf

I read the above transcript.
I think there are clear differences between the “processes” that took place in the memo’s being declassified.

I think it’s troubling that the committee members were not given the opportunity to read the FISA documents before voting on the Nunes memo. I don’t know how members were supposed to make an informed decision about the legitimacy of the memo’s claims without that opportunity.

I think the members do a pretty clear job of revealing (without revealing) that there was nothing in the Dem memo that states the court was notified that Democratic specific sources funded the dossier. Although, a certain portion of the memo is referenced in relation to the court not being misled, it’s clear Clinton’s name or the DNC were not specifically addressed.

I have concerns about why attempts to determine if Cohen’s trip to Prague took place were blocked by the committee. How can we simply take the testimony of those listed in the dossier as confirmation that the dossier claims are false? I understand that to subpoena bank, credit card, and other personal financial records are a dangerous act by our government when one is not being directly investigated for a crime, but going off the person’s testimony alone?

The main issue that concerns me is the clear partisan bickering in this committee meeting. The back and forth obviously (from both sides) seems to get the record to reflect each side’s political stance on the issue at hand. It’s extremely sad that a committee as vital as this, investigating an issue as serious as this, breaks along party lines and allows their charge to become almost solely political. I hope they conduct themselves differently behind closed doors.

My lone conclusion after reading, we need term limits. We need to stop the constant flow of partisan influence over our representatives actions.
 

dave

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http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180205/106838/HMTG-115-IG00-Transcript-20180205.pdf

I read the above transcript.
I think there are clear differences between the “processes” that took place in the memo’s being declassified.

I think it’s troubling that the committee members were not given the opportunity to read the FISA documents before voting on the Nunes memo. I don’t know how members were supposed to make an informed decision about the legitimacy of the memo’s claims without that opportunity.

I think the members do a pretty clear job of revealing (without revealing) that there was nothing in the Dem memo that states the court was notified that Democratic specific sources funded the dossier. Although, a certain portion of the memo is referenced in relation to the court not being misled, it’s clear Clinton’s name or the DNC were not specifically addressed.

I have concerns about why attempts to determine if Cohen’s trip to Prague took place were blocked by the committee. How can we simply take the testimony of those listed in the dossier as confirmation that the dossier claims are false? I understand that to subpoena bank, credit card, and other personal financial records are a dangerous act by our government when one is not being directly investigated for a crime, but going off the person’s testimony alone?

The main issue that concerns me is the clear partisan bickering in this committee meeting. The back and forth obviously (from both sides) seems to get the record to reflect each side’s political stance on the issue at hand. It’s extremely sad that a committee as vital as this, investigating an issue as serious as this, breaks along party lines and allows their charge to become almost solely political. I hope they conduct themselves differently behind closed doors.

My lone conclusion after reading, we need term limits. We need to stop the constant flow of partisan influence over our representatives actions.
The DOJ only let one member of the committee view the FISA document. They were not allowed to see it.
 

dave

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That was a committee decision, Nunes said that himself. Gowdy was selected to review them.
The committee decision was to let Gowdy look at it. It was the DOJ decision to only let one person review it.
 

Airport

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Surely the committee could have had the ability to allow all members to read it, right?
No matter how you phrase it, the answer is still no. Gowdy was the lawyer and the reason he was tasked with looking at it.
 

bornaneer

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I told you two weeks ago how this was going to go down. I say release everything unrestricted. Lets see who gets blamed.
 
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TarHeelEer

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http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180205/106838/HMTG-115-IG00-Transcript-20180205.pdf

I read the above transcript.
I think there are clear differences between the “processes” that took place in the memo’s being declassified.

I think it’s troubling that the committee members were not given the opportunity to read the FISA documents before voting on the Nunes memo. I don’t know how members were supposed to make an informed decision about the legitimacy of the memo’s claims without that opportunity.

The FBI said it was factual.

I think the members do a pretty clear job of revealing (without revealing) that there was nothing in the Dem memo that states the court was notified that Democratic specific sources funded the dossier. Although, a certain portion of the memo is referenced in relation to the court not being misled, it’s clear Clinton’s name or the DNC were not specifically addressed.

So they were misled.

I have concerns about why attempts to determine if Cohen’s trip to Prague took place were blocked by the committee. How can we simply take the testimony of those listed in the dossier as confirmation that the dossier claims are false? I understand that to subpoena bank, credit card, and other personal financial records are a dangerous act by our government when one is not being directly investigated for a crime, but going off the person’s testimony alone?

Now you're getting it. Research Woods procedure, and see what they should have done.

The main issue that concerns me is the clear partisan bickering in this committee meeting. The back and forth obviously (from both sides) seems to get the record to reflect each side’s political stance on the issue at hand. It’s extremely sad that a committee as vital as this, investigating an issue as serious as this, breaks along party lines and allows their charge to become almost solely political. I hope they conduct themselves differently behind closed doors.

My lone conclusion after reading, we need term limits. We need to stop the constant flow of partisan influence over our representatives actions.

Nunes is clearly one-sided. However, Schiff is beyond that, snake of all snakes. He'd sell his own grandmother to ISIS if she were Republican.
 

TarHeelEer

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Surely the committee could have had the ability to allow all members to read it, right?

No, it was only allowed one member from each to view by the DOJ, which is entirely WRONG in my opinion. They have oversight, and executive is hiding things. Not just the DOJ, but several departments. They don't think Congress has oversight. Myself? I'd break them up, they're not too big to fail.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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We need to stop the constant flow of partisan influence over our representatives actions.
Then start scolding your fellow leftist resisters and end this ridiculous investigation. This is only emboldening the right, we aren’t losing interest just because we have power. You guys are trying to use your logic train and apply it to the right as a strategy. It isn’t going to work.
 

Boomboom521

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No, it was only allowed one member from each to view by the DOJ, which is entirely WRONG in my opinion. They have oversight, and executive is hiding things. Not just the DOJ, but several departments. They don't think Congress has oversight. Myself? I'd break them up, they're not too big to fail.
So Schiff was pushing for the committee to review the FISA docs, but it was a farce, because deep state DOJ was stonewalling that effort actually?
 

Boomboom521

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Then start scolding your fellow leftist resisters and end this ridiculous investigation. This is only emboldening the right, we aren’t losing interest just because we have power. You guys are trying to use your logic train and apply it to the right as a strategy. It isn’t going to work.
The HCOI is doing a legit investigation, of which collusion is A PART. I thought you were one of those on here that welcomed the Mueller appointment when it was made? No?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The HCOI is doing a legit investigation, of which collusion is A PART. I thought you were one of those on here that welcomed the Mueller appointment when it was made? No?
I don’t care about Mueller the man, I do care about the illegitimate investigation. I don’t believe there is any reason for it to continue.
 

Boomboom521

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The FBI said it was factual.



So they were misled.



Now you're getting it. Research Woods procedure, and see what they should have done.



Nunes is clearly one-sided. However, Schiff is beyond that, snake of all snakes. He'd sell his own grandmother to ISIS if she were Republican.
Woods only applies to information used in the FISA application, correct? That’s only relevant as a violation IF the FBI used the trip to Prague. And further more, how do we know the FBI hasn’t confirmed that aspect of the dossier anyway? Because it wasn’t leaked?
 

TarHeelEer

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Woods only applies to information used in the FISA application, correct? That’s only relevant as a violation IF the FBI used the trip to Prague. And further more, how do we know the FBI hasn’t confirmed that aspect of the dossier anyway? Because it wasn’t leaked?

SMH
 

Boomboom521

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I don’t care about Mueller the man, I do care about the illegitimate investigation. I don’t believe there is any reason for it to continue.
One of the reasons I was excited about the Mueller appointment was that it seemed like both Republicans and Democrats felt he had integrity that was unimpeachable. So, then it would be him (the man with the clearance and power to know all the facts) to decide if the investigation should be stopped or continued.

But now that’s out, right? The goal to discredit Mueller since the appointment worked pretty good. Well, I guess he did it to himself by hiring certain lawyers?
 

TarHeelEer

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So you’re saying the dossier must have been 100% confirmed before any aspects could be used? If there was an aspect of the dossier confirmed, it couldn’t be used if other information was not verified or found to be false?

Page took a trip to Russia. They couldn't even verify what he did there. If that's enough to get a FISA warrant on someone, we're all screwed.
 

Boomboom521

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Yes, the fisa is a legal document and they sent in the best lawyer on the committee to look at it.
You don’t find it amazing that ONLY ONE member of the House Committee on Intelligence would be allowed to view the FISA doc?
 

Boomboom521

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Two were, one from each party.
Geez, I was actually very concerned about that....how the Dems could even draft a rebuttal memo if they hadn’t read it either....I just assumed Schiff had read it.

Why would the House Committee on Intelligence NOT have the ability to make the doc available for all members? The members on the committee do not have adequate clearance? How is that proper oversight?
 

bornaneer

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Geez, I was actually very concerned about that....how the Dems could even draft a rebuttal memo if they hadn’t read it either....I just assumed Schiff had read it.
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A rebuttal memo? That's an interesting take.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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One of the reasons I was excited about the Mueller appointment was that it seemed like both Republicans and Democrats felt he had integrity that was unimpeachable. So, then it would be him (the man with the clearance and power to know all the facts) to decide if the investigation should be stopped or continued.

But now that’s out, right? The goal to discredit Mueller since the appointment worked pretty good. Well, I guess he did it to himself by hiring certain lawyers?
It’s pretty clear to me that if he had anything, he could finish this up pretty quick. You don’t get to go on an unlimited fishing expedition. It’s collusion or nothing. That’s what he was hired for, collusion. After 18 months of FBI and 10 months of SP, + several house and senate committees, we see nothing even approaching the collusion the Dems sold the American people on as potentially occurring.

And yes, with the decapitation of the 7th floor of the FBI, it’s looking far more likely of a group of politically connected people working in concert against the political opposition and sitting President.
 

Mntneer

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You don’t find it amazing that ONLY ONE member of the House Committee on Intelligence would be allowed to view the FISA doc?

No. That's not uncommon. Often individual are taken into rooms where they are allowed to review classified documents. Not take notes and not take the documents. Remember Sandy Berger?
 

Boomboom521

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No. That's not uncommon. Often individual are taken into rooms where they are allowed to review classified documents. Not take notes and not take the documents. Remember Sandy Berger?
Well it’s worked really well in this scenario here
 

dave

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So you’re saying the dossier must have been 100% confirmed before any aspects could be used? If there was an aspect of the dossier confirmed, it couldn’t be used if other information was not verified or found to be false?
When they sigbed the warrant they were saying all the evidence was verified.
 

TarHeelEer

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All the evidence used within the application

Again, back to the statement, if all it takes is a trip to Russia to get a FISA warrant, we're all screwed. That's all that's verified from the dossier, and McCabe said no FISA without dossier. They used much more than the trip.
 

Boomboom521

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Again, back to the statement, if all it takes is a trip to Russia to get a FISA warrant, we're all screwed. That's all that's verified from the dossier, and McCabe said no FISA without dossier. They used much more than the trip.
That’s all that is verified that YOU know of, are you saying that the FBI released or confirmed everything they knew about the dossier? I thought Comey said he couldn’t answer details about what was verified in an open setting, and that it was up to Mueller at this point?
 

Airport

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No. That's not uncommon. Often individual are taken into rooms where they are allowed to review classified documents. Not take notes and not take the documents. Remember Sandy Berger?
Forgot he took notes. Broke the law
 

Airport

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That’s all that is verified that YOU know of, are you saying that the FBI released or confirmed everything they knew about the dossier? I thought Comey said he couldn’t answer details about what was verified in an open setting, and that it was up to Mueller at this point?
Comey lies
 

TarHeelEer

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http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180205/106838/HMTG-115-IG00-Transcript-20180205.pdf

I read the above transcript.
I think there are clear differences between the “processes” that took place in the memo’s being declassified.

I think it’s troubling that the committee members were not given the opportunity to read the FISA documents before voting on the Nunes memo. I don’t know how members were supposed to make an informed decision about the legitimacy of the memo’s claims without that opportunity.

I think the members do a pretty clear job of revealing (without revealing) that there was nothing in the Dem memo that states the court was notified that Democratic specific sources funded the dossier. Although, a certain portion of the memo is referenced in relation to the court not being misled, it’s clear Clinton’s name or the DNC were not specifically addressed.

I have concerns about why attempts to determine if Cohen’s trip to Prague took place were blocked by the committee. How can we simply take the testimony of those listed in the dossier as confirmation that the dossier claims are false? I understand that to subpoena bank, credit card, and other personal financial records are a dangerous act by our government when one is not being directly investigated for a crime, but going off the person’s testimony alone?

The main issue that concerns me is the clear partisan bickering in this committee meeting. The back and forth obviously (from both sides) seems to get the record to reflect each side’s political stance on the issue at hand. It’s extremely sad that a committee as vital as this, investigating an issue as serious as this, breaks along party lines and allows their charge to become almost solely political. I hope they conduct themselves differently behind closed doors.

My lone conclusion after reading, we need term limits. We need to stop the constant flow of partisan influence over our representatives actions.
Woods only applies to information used in the FISA application, correct? That’s only relevant as a violation IF the FBI used the trip to Prague. And further more, how do we know the FBI hasn’t confirmed that aspect of the dossier anyway? Because it wasn’t leaked?
You don’t know what was used to get the FISA.