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‘WVU cannot beat teams with superior talent” thing seems a bit odd. I mean on the surface it sounds logical, but, then you have to look at the numbers and find out how many of our losses came against lower or—as in the case with UK—unranked teams. So either our team lacks talent and the pollsters have no clue what they’re doing, or this team is simply underachieving....which is it?
 

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‘WVU cannot beat teams with superior talent” thing seems a bit odd. I mean on the surface it sounds logical, but, then you have to look at the numbers and find out how many of our losses came against lower or—as in the case with UK—unranked teams. So either our team lacks talent and the pollsters have no clue what they’re doing, or this team is simply underachieving....which is it?
From what I see I think Huggy has this team overachieving. He takes average talent and wins mostly with pressure defense. In my opinion he is a great coach and they are winning games in which the other team has more talent.
 
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‘WVU cannot beat teams with superior talent” thing seems a bit odd. I mean on the surface it sounds logical, but, then you have to look at the numbers and find out how many of our losses came against lower or—as in the case with UK—unranked teams. So either our team lacks talent and the pollsters have no clue what they’re doing, or this team is simply underachieving....which is it?
Teams adjust to our full court press which is our bread and butter. Thats why the second half of the games, like the second half of the season, is a free fall.
 

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‘WVU cannot beat teams with superior talent” thing seems a bit odd. I mean on the surface it sounds logical, but, then you have to look at the numbers and find out how many of our losses came against lower or—as in the case with UK—unranked teams. So either our team lacks talent and the pollsters have no clue what they’re doing, or this team is simply underachieving....which is it?
It’s not rocket science, Kentucky is better than us. I don’t care if they were unranked. Their roster is full of 5 star recruits. Huggins himself said they’re better after the loss. So yes, it’s a combination here; the pollsters are clueless and we’re overachieving because of great coaching. Do you really think we’re the 11th best team in the country? No way.
 

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Holding stock in UK being unranked in January is pointless. They had a string of bad games just like we have had... and it temporarily knocked them from the rankings

UK will be a title contender come March. That youth is maturing as it always does for UK at the pace needed....

The only team that isn’t more skilled than WVU that we have lost to is TCU. That was a “bad” loss in terms of our talent vs theirs..... a loss partially due to travel as well. Play in WV on Saturday and be in Ft Worth and ready to play by Monday
 

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We were a very good team a couple weeks ago.Now we have a 1000 pt scorer that is afraid to shoot.One of the best 3 pt shooters we have ever had afraid to shoot,A player that scored at will a couple weeks ago will not shoot unless he is 2ft from the basket.physical or mental?I Think the latter.We have went from a team that could play with anyone to a team that can play with anyone for a half.If we keep this up we will all need to see a psychologist .
 

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Huggs knows his teams are are always not as talented as some of they guys we play. his philosophy is that our 10 will be better than your 10. Unfortunately UK has is not only deep but they have guys on their bench that would be stars anywhere else in the country.

i tried to tell people not to look at UKs rankings and losses because they have talent, they are just young as hell and havent learned how to play with one another yet. that 2nd half is probably the best ive seen them play as a team all year and ive seen them play a bunch here in lexington
 
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It’s not rocket science, Kentucky is better than us. I don’t care if they were unranked. Their roster is full of 5 star recruits. Huggins himself said they’re better after the loss. So yes, it’s a combination here; the pollsters are clueless and we’re overachieving because of great coaching. Do you really think we’re the 11th best team in the country? No way.
I wonder what our record would be with this team if we were still playing in the old big east.
 

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I wonder what our record would be with this team if we were still playing in the old big east.

This team isn't a normal Huggins' style team. We are a jump shooting team (although not very good; more streaky). We have only one post player, and he's still developing (Sags). The fact that we are 16-5 is amazing........
 
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This team isn't a normal Huggins' style team. We are a jump shooting team (although not very good; more streaky). We have only one post player, and he's still developing (Sags). The fact that we are 16-5 is amazing........
The last couple of years we have been entertaining thoughts of winning the Big 12 conference championship at least at 1 point during the season. Outside of 2010 that never happened in the old big east. The Big 12 is and average at best power 5 conference. Some of the these teams we have had in the last few years probably would have sneaked into the tourney as bubble teams in the old big east.
 

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But, we were good enough to be +17 at half.....

The more I think about it, the more I think that this team does have talent, the bench is deep, but, for whatever reason, it lacks confidence in itself and falls apart when the leaders rack up fouls. Huggins has to dig down into his bag o tricks and find away to install confidence in his team and build leaders.... w/o that this team is one in done in the NCAA tourney.
 

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We were a very good team a couple weeks ago.Now we have a 1000 pt scorer that is afraid to shoot.One of the best 3 pt shooters we have ever had afraid to shoot,A player that scored at will a couple weeks ago will not shoot unless he is 2ft from the basket.physical or mental?I Think the latter.We have went from a team that could play with anyone to a team that can play with anyone for a half.If we keep this up we will all need to see a psychologist .
If these guys are afraid of Huggs, how in the hell are they ever going to handle instruction from their boss once they graduate? Huggs loves these kids...bosses generally don't love you in exchange for your effort.
 

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I wonder what our record would be with this team if we were still playing in the old big east.

old BE teams had offensive stars and played defense as well. I still remember a lot of those epic overtime games due to big shots by very good 2 way players.

BIG 12 is Kansas and that is it.
 

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old BE teams had offensive stars and played defense as well. I still remember a lot of those epic overtime games due to big shots by very good 2 way players.

BIG 12 is Kansas and that is it.
I agree, watching these games makes me think the old big east was tougher. However, the big 12 puts more guys into the NBA. And Huggins, says the Big 12 is tougher top to bottom.
 
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I agree, watching these games makes me think the old big east was tougher. However, the big 12 puts more guys into the NBA. And Huggins, says the Big 12 is tougher top to bottom.
The big 12 only has 10 teams. The old big east had 16 or 18 can't remember. The bottom of the old big east was soft but the top was much deeper. most of the years in the old big east we beat up on the bottom of the conference and won maybe 1 or 2 games against the top when we made the tourney. In the big 12 we have been entertaining thoughts of confernce championships for the last 3 years. It never happened in the old Big east. The talent level of our team really hasn't changed that much its just the competation is weaker. I would'nt put much stock into huggins saying the big 12 is tougher top to bottom. Our team plays in the Big 12 its in his best interest to prop up the conference. If we played in the sec he would say the same. The big 12 may put more players in the NBA but the guys who aren't NBA players are weaker than old big east players.
 
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old BE teams had offensive stars and played defense as well. I still remember a lot of those epic overtime games due to big shots by very good 2 way players.

BIG 12 is Kansas and that is it.
If the Big 12 is as good and deep as some seem to think then you would'nt have the same Team winning the conference championship every year.
 

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The big 12 only has 10 teams. The old big east had 16 or 18 can't remember. The bottom of the old big east was soft but the top was much deeper. most of the years in the old big east we beat up on the bottom of the conference and won maybe 1 or 2 games against the top when we made the tourney. In the big 12 we have been entertaining thoughts of confernce championships for the last 3 years. It never happened in the old Big east. The talent level of our team really hasn't changed that much its just the competation is weaker. I would'nt put much stock into huggins saying the big 12 is tougher top to bottom. Our team plays in the Big 12 its in his best interest to prop up the conference. If we played in the sec he would say the same. The big 12 may put more players in the NBA but the guys who aren't NBA players are weaker than old big east players.

Weak....

Big East was trash.

That was why WVU paid money to leave the conference
 
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Weak....

Big East was trash.

That was why WVU paid money to leave the conference
Since Wvu has been members of the Big 12 only 2 teams have managed to make it past the sweet 16. Only Oklahoma has made it to the Final Four. 3 of wvu's Former rivals Villanova, Louisville And Uconn have won National Championships. The big 12's Tourney performance has been poor since Wvu has been a member. I wouldn't expect a pitt troll pretending to be a Texas fan to know this. You can log in under your 50 screen names and respond in jibberish all you want.
 

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If the Big 12 is as good and deep as some seem to think then you would'nt have the same Team winning the conference championship every year.

Most basketball conferences have the same school winning the regular season every year.
When was the last time Duke or UNC didn't win the regular season title in the ACC
When was the last time Kentucky didn't win the regular season SEC title.

Kansas will always be a great school at basketball but their dominance at basketball is not historic or anything.

No one anyway chooses a conference to play in for basketball reasons.....

Basketball is by far the second most important sport.'
College Baseball is closer to Basketball than Basketball is to football
 
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The big 12 only has 10 teams. The old big east had 16 or 18 can't remember. The bottom of the old big east was soft but the top was much deeper. most of the years in the old big east we beat up on the bottom of the conference and won maybe 1 or 2 games against the top when we made the tourney. In the big 12 we have been entertaining thoughts of confernce championships for the last 3 years. It never happened in the old Big east. The talent level of our team really hasn't changed that much its just the competation is weaker. I would'nt put much stock into huggins saying the big 12 is tougher top to bottom. Our team plays in the Big 12 its in his best interest to prop up the conference. If we played in the sec he would say the same. The big 12 may put more players in the NBA but the guys who aren't NBA players are weaker than old big east players.
No, I’m agreeing with you. The old big east imo was much stronger. Yes, there were 18 schools in it and we played all of them. The big 12 has one legit school (Kansas) every year. The old big east had about 4; UConn, Villanova, Syracuse, Louisville. All those schools won NC’s. Then there solid great schools like us, ND, Pitt, Marquette, Boston College, Georgetown. It was loaded.
 

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That doesn't make sense....

16 teams with less NBA players than the Big XII who has only ten

Wonder why West Virginia paid to get out of the Big East.

What the Big East had was basketball centric schools in an area of the country that cares deeply about college basketball.

Louisville and Marquette didn't join until BC, Miami and Va Tech left.

Louisville didn't get great until Pitino had been there for some time. They have been punished for that I guess.
Villanova was average until about 2005.'
Syracuse was up and down

UCONN is the only team in the Big East that could be said to be on Kansas' level every year.
 
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That doesn't make sense....

16 teams with less NBA players than the Big XII who has only ten

Wonder why West Virginia paid to get out of the Big East.

What the Big East had was basketball centric schools in an area of the country that cares deeply about college basketball.

Louisville and Marquette didn't join until BC, Miami and Va Tech left.

Louisville didn't get great until Pitino had been there for some time. They have been punished for that I guess.
Villanova was average until about 2005.'
Syracuse was up and down

UCONN is the only team in the Big East that could be said to be on Kansas' level every year.
Big 12 is and average at best Basketball conference. If Villanova was average until 2005 then why did they win the national championship in 1985. How many Big 12 teams have won a national championship in the last 15 years? How many teams that had there roots in the old big east have? You know nothing.
 

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Big 12 is and average at best Basketball conference. If Villanova was average until 2005 then why did they win the national championship in 1985. How many Big 12 teams have won a national championship in the last 15 years? How many teams that had there roots in the old big east have? You know nothing.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East in 1985.
We are speaking about WVU's time in the Big East and for most of the time until 2005 Villanova was a sub 20 win team.
 
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Most basketball conferences have the same school winning the regular season every year.
When was the last time Duke or UNC didn't win the regular season title in the ACC
When was the last time Kentucky didn't win the regular season SEC title.


Kansas will always be a great school at basketball but their dominance at basketball is not historic or anything.

No one anyway chooses a conference to play in for basketball reasons.....

Basketball is by far the second most important sport.'
College Baseball is closer to Basketball than Basketball is to football

Miami and Virginia have both won the Acc regular season Title in the last 5 years.

Florida won the sec Title 3 years ago.
Kansas has played a part In the Big 12 title every year in the past decade. The acc and Sec have had 4 different regular season winners in the last ten years.
 

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Basketball is not the engine that drives revenue in college sports.

Look at the current revenue leaders. Only Kentucky, out of all traditional ball powers, is in the Top 20

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...evenue-college-sports-texas-longhorns-2017-11

This is the list from 2016-2017.
Kentucky is at 15.
It is all football schools in the Top 5. Texas, Ohio St, Alabama, Oklahoma and Michigan.

WVU gave the Big East 20 million dollars to exit the conference because WVU was the Conference and the basketball schools like Villanova and Georgetown couldn't pay for WVU's football program.

If college basketball was important Louisville would have been in the Big XII as well in 2011.
They didn't want to go to the ACC. Louisville might have been in the conference if it wasn't for Oliver Luck.
Maybe Pitino wouldn't have been screwed if Louisville was in the Big XII but who cares they are barely have a fanbase.

Article in 2016 with Louisville's AD still wishing they were in the Big XII and not the ACC
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...le-over-west-virginia-during-realignment/amp/
 
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‘WVU cannot beat teams with superior talent” thing seems a bit odd. I mean on the surface it sounds logical, but, then you have to look at the numbers and find out how many of our losses came against lower or—as in the case with UK—unranked teams. So either our team lacks talent and the pollsters have no clue what they’re doing, or this team is simply underachieving....which is it?

One big stat in the UK game...

Maciej Bender, Esa Ahmad, Lamont West, Wesley Harris and Logan Routt combined for zero rebounds in the second half, in a combined 30 minutes of court time.