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atlkvb

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Believe what you want. Facts are facts. Quotes are quotes. And King's quotes don't support your belief.

Dr. King is in Heaven with Christ in whom he believed as do I. Maybe one day you will get to see him there and can ask him directly how the Godless Socialists are doing where they are?

I can promise you MWV...they won't be there with him!
 
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You are not only disingenuous when it comes to what Dr. King believed (Social and economic Justice) you don't believe in it yourself and I'll prove it in a few short sentences.

You've quoted Dr. King who you claim using his words advocated for incomes to be either "guranteed" or "distributed" under something you called "Democratic Socialism". Right now Black unemployment is at the lowest level it's ever been recorded since it's been measured. Are those incomes those folks are earning being "distributed"? Are those folks earning those incomes being discriminated against? Are those incomes guranteed if those folks don't show up for work? Is Capitalism not working for those folks?

Dr. King demanded Black people be afforded the same chances to improve their lives economically as other folks enjoyed in this country. We have Black millionaires, and we have poor Blacks. Should the hard work the wealthy Blacks achieved be taken from them and given to the poorer Blacks who yet to acehive their dreams? Is that what Doctor King favored, or was it his dream simply to see all Blacks at least with the same opportunity to earn millions or become millionaires like any other Americans? Would Doctor King want their chances or incomes limited? Is that really what you think he was arguing for and not instead for unlimited Freedom to pursue their dreams to their God Given talent based on the content of their character and not limited by the color of their skin under a free market economy that recognized both their character and talent?

What about yourself? Do you believe incomes should be distributed or guranteed? If you do you should put your belief system to work. I don't know what you earn, but if you believe in the equal distribution of incomes you should find a poor Family making half of what you earn, and use your own extra income to "re-distribute" it to them so that they can have exactly half of what you currently earn. Redistribute your own income to some poor Family so that they now have what you have or have worked for. Will you do that?

Probably not. Yet you will vote for some politician to do it for you! You are OK with Government confiscating virtually half of all incomes and redistributing them as long as it's not done to you. Despite those incomes being "redistributed", we still have abject poverty in this country. That doesn't work and you know it because you won't practice it yourself.

Doctor King if he were alive today would no doubt be pleased with both the oppotunities as well as the progress most Blacks currently have made participating in our free enterprise free market based Capiitalist economy. None of the earnings Blacks currently command participating in the free market economy is coming from Government. No incomes are "guranteed", but none is being "equally" re-distributed either. Blacks today simply have a chance to earn as much as they can doing whatever they are good at serving themselves by accessing the economic opportunities that are being made available to them by an expanding free market economy that also includes them.

This was Dr. King's dream and hope for all Black people that you don't understand when you claim he was a Socialist only interested in how incomes are "distributed equally". You are insisting Dr. King would not be satisfied with our Capitalist system today, or how Blacks are performing in it. Yet you do not lead by example and redistrbute your own income to one of those poor Blacks who may be now just starting out to make their own way so they can have at least a chance to earn the same stuff as you have spent your time working for. Wonder why not? I also doubt Doctor King would require anyone such as yourself to give up their incomes or possessions just so someone who didn't work as hard or smartly as you have could own what you have. This is why Socialism doesn't work. But Dr. King's dream for equality of economic opportunity is America's promise, and this IS what Dr. King spent his Life fighting for not for equal incomes being "distributed". You also apparently agree with it instead of income redistributionist Socialism because you do not practice or believe in income redistributuon. If you did, you'd be redistributing your own income.
 
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Do what you want.....but what I'm saying about Dr. King is nothing but fact, not opinion. I used his own words.......his direct quotes......from his speeches, from his personal letters.......and yet you STILL deny it.
Delicious irony
 

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Did you take a knee yesterday?

Whoa......this guy was definitely off his meds yesterday. I'm sorry he thinks that I'm putting words in Dr. King's mouth or claiming anything......Dr. King's words spoke, not mine.
 

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I never claimed he was a socialist.......Dr. King did........if you want to keep this up, I can repost each of the examples over and over and over and over and over again, since you cannot let it go. Dr. King said, in his speeches several times, that he had lost faith in capitalism. It's RIGHT FREAKING THERE. You just refuse to read it.

Just think, the time you spend arguing something that is NOT up for debate you could have spent doing what you claimed to want to do:

1. Spend time with your family
2. Sleeping
3. Working more efficiently

Type us out another "hey look at me" goodbye post.
 

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Which wiki should I use? [roll]

How about Britannica? [thumbsup]

National Socialism attempted to reconcile conservative, nationalist ideology with a socially radical doctrine. In so doing, it became a profoundly revolutionary movement—albeit a largely negative one. Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace, it stressed instinct, the subordination of the individual to the state, and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above. It also emphasized the inequality of men and races and the right of the strong to rule the weak; sought to purge or suppress competing political, religious, and social institutions; advanced an ethic of hardness and ferocity; and partly destroyed class distinctions by drawing into the movement misfits and failures from all social classes. Although socialism was traditionally an internationalist creed, the radical wing of National Socialism knew that a mass base existed for policies that were simultaneously anticapitalist and nationalist. However, after Hitler secured power, this radical strain was eliminated.
 

Brushy Bill

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Not sure why you think this helps your case.

it stressed instinct

Like all lefties 'muh feelings' are what's important. Not facts, not reality.

the subordination of the individual to the state

Yeah, strictly a leftist position. Remember "It Takes a Village" - HRC

and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above

Bwahahahahahahahaha. Let's see if you can figure this one out.

a mass base existed for policies that were simultaneously anticapitalist

check mate
 

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Trump is the only moral man in this boards posters worlds, lol, he is broadening the GOPs reach for sure.
 

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Not sure why you think this helps your case.



Like all lefties 'muh feelings' are what's important. Not facts, not reality.



Yeah, strictly a leftist position. Remember "It Takes a Village" - HRC



Bwahahahahahahahaha. Let's see if you can figure this one out.



check mate

I was reading this Brushy and noticed the OP quoted the following as an explanation for 'Democratic Socialism':

"subordination of the individual to the state, and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above. It also emphasized the inequality of men and races"

So I'm asking myself where in his quotes of Dr. King did the OP read any of that? In his letters from a Birmingham jail, his sermons for social justice and against racial intolerance...even in his famous "I have a Dream" speech...Doctor King eloquently speaks of the supremacy of individual rights and his desires for an essentially a color blind society that doesn't discriminate or rule based on racial inequality but Freedom for all who are treated equally without regard to their race!

Ironically, it's the exact opposite call of the above description the OP posted as an explanation of "Democratic Socialism" which he insists was the core of Dr. King's economic beliefs.

Wrong. 100% wrong!

That is quite simply Incredible historical as well as philospohical revisionism of not only Dr. King's own words, but his entire belief system which at its core was Faith based and Christian, Freedom loving, as well as Justice inspired by belief in Almighty God. It was fundamentally equality driven by recognizing our rights come from our Creator... not 'unswerving obedience' to a Godless Socialistic state or "those leaders appointed from above" who run it!
 
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atlkvb

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Which wiki should I use? [roll]

So Brushy the OP quoted a discription of Democratic Socialism that included this: "Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace"

Don't know about you, but the Dr. King I followed and respect was non violent, against disrespect of human rights (called for respect of them in fact) believed in the rule of Law especially using it to tear down racial segregation and discrimination laws, he was against the Vietnam War, against the race riots, against the KKK, and all manor of Wars in his constant calls for International Peace and racial harmony!

From that discription how then does that OP believe Dr. King to be a Democratic Socialist in practice? I know he quoted Dr. King saying he had "lost Faith" in Capitalism, but as I read that IMO it was a loss of his faith in it (Capitalism) to ever find the means necessary to address the immorality he viewed it as presiding over in the form of institutionalized racism. He did believe in the Democratic process and the power of the peaceful non violent protest as well the vote. He saw Government ordered income redistribution as the most effective remedy to correct that economic & Social injustice but in my opinion American Capitalism eventually effectively addressed that injustice thanks to the work of Dr. King.

Blacks in America today enjoy the same or better opportunities as Whites in our free enterprise system because nothing is holding them back or preventing them from achieving their economic dreams least of all their race! No other system has been better for Blacks. This is very much unlike other Socialist countries where Blacks are still struggling to achieve economic viablity (the sh*t holes Trump spoke of) and those Blacks indeed look to America for their economic emancipation.

What am I missing about Dr. King Brushy?
 
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So Brushy the OP quoted a discription of Democratic Socialism that included this: "Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace"

You are so stupid you can't even read.......You just quoted "National socialism"........AKA......Conservative Socialism........NOT Democratic socialism......

Oh, wow......such a moron.........and yes, I'm right........your buddies agree with me and that drives you nuts about King.........

Now, go spend time with your family or your job.......before you look like a fool again......
 

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Yes you did...you used his words to try and claim proof he was a Democratic Socialist and believed in it.

He said it........face the facts.......Would you like the Dr. King quotes again? Perhaps you could drop more racist remarks again?
 

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He said it........face the facts.......Would you like the Dr. King quotes again? Perhaps you could drop more racist remarks again?

Tell you what MWV...why don't you post the board when you find a poor Family to redistribute your income to like you claim Dr. King wanted the rest of us to do?

Show us by your example how correct he was and how well it works. Keeping your money without redistributing it is about as fake and phony of an argument you can make for it using the Great Doctor King as your cover or flat out admitting your affinity for it. If you can't do it for yourself, why in the Hell do you want everyone else to do it you plastic *** fake phony Social Democrat?
 

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Getting angry, I see? Why? Because you can't read? Because you used the definition for "Conservative Socialism", which is what the Nazis used, and put "Democratic Socialism" instead? That's very uneducated, or a vile attempt to try to confuse......which was it?

Oh, and there's no confusing Dr. King's quotes......his beliefs were plainly stated. It would do you good to just let it go and understand that not everyone who believes in socialism was/is "godless"......but, if you continue to think that, that's fine too I guess.......
 

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Fill in the blanks MWV (you probably know this better than your Bible)


From each according to their____________

To each according to their ______________

You sing it in your sleep don't ya MWV?

When's the next Socialist Worker's Party Convention? I heard they have an opening for a keynote speaker. You interested?

Let me know, I'll put in a good word for you using everything Dr. King taught you OK?
 

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, and there's no confusing Dr. King's quotes......his beliefs were plainly stated. It would do you good to just let it go and understand that not everyone who believes in socialism was/is "godless".

I asked you in the other thread you phony to name a Socialist country that promotes God before loyalty to the State or a Socialst who does? Still struggling with that one I see.
 

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Drives you nuts......Dr. King.......a believer in democratic-socialism........

No but your lying about what Dr. King believed in and what he fought for does.

Kim Jong Un is a Democratic Socialist. What part of his economic philosophy did Doctor King agree with? The DPRK is a great example of Doctor King's beliefs right MWV?
 
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atlkvb

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Dr. King.........he did

Yea but you just said a few posts ago that you didn't say Dr. King was a Socialist. What country fits your description? What Faith does that Democratic Socialist republic follow? Dr. King was Southern Bapstist and Christian. Know a Socialist country like that?

Which is it?
 

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Dr. King's quotes........you want to see them again? Not my words, but his.....(I'll highlight the key points for you, since you struggle with reading)

I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

“And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…” –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.
 

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Yea but you just said a few posts ago that you didn't say Dr. King was a Socialist. What country fits your description? What Faith does that Democratic Socialist republic follow? Dr. King was Southern Bapstist and Christian. Know a Socialist country like that?

Which is it?

Dr. King's words.....not my opinion.....now, when are you going to admit it and just drop it? You ever wonder why your buddies haven't gotten on here to support your claims? And why they have actually agreed with me about this?
 

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You are so stupid you can't even read.......You just quoted "National socialism"........AKA......Conservative Socialism........NOT Democratic socialism......

Oh, wow......such a moron.........and yes, I'm right........your buddies agree with me and that drives you nuts about King.........

Now, go spend time with your family or your job.......before you look like a fool again......

Socialists to me are all the same. I understand you admire their intracacies and nuances but to me they all are a bunch of Godless Statist Athiests. Marx, Lenin, Chavez, Mao, take your pick they all share a common Love of the State and disdain for Godly authority or Biblical Truth found in Almighty God's word. All of them and the sh*t hole basket case countries they led too.
 

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For a person who doesn't like people judging others by race, you sure do hate people who believe in democratic-socialism......people like Dr. King.

I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.
 

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You must suck at your job to have all this free time to post on a message board........

I'm in Atlanta today where we got 2 inches of Snow overnight and 85% of the local workforce is stuck at home. My job requires I perform and I get paid well for that performance. You must be complaining that not enough of someone else's income hasn't been redistributed to you?

Why don't you follow Trump's example and earn a few Billion dollars more so you can practice what you preach and redistribute it all?
 
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For a person who doesn't like people judging others by race, you sure do hate people who believe in democratic-socialism......people like Dr. King.

I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.

So if he was right about that (I assume you agree he was) how do you explain the US economy vs any other Democratic Socialist country you care to put up for a comparative example?

You think Dr. King was right about Capitalism? OK then, show me what he got right about it compared to the Democratic Socialist nation you can put up that's done better?

I asked you that too in the other thread and typically you are mute.
 

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My opinion does not matter....that is why I'm "mute".......it isn't about socialism or its effectiveness (or lack thereof).....it was to show that Dr. King was a believer in it......as he stated multiple times, to which you still refuse to admit he did........