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COOL MAN

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Yeah. That had me worried. But I've spoke to guy #3. Took him to the property. Went over everything. The other two guys do a lot of commercial work and "big" jobs. Plus they rent most of their equipment and have a full staff of hourly workers. Guy #3 had his own equipment, and only one other guy working with him.

I've asked around as this guy has done a lot of local work and people swear by him in site prep work. The only thing this guy doesn't do that the others would is getting rid of the trees. He will knock them over but it is up to me to get rid of them. Hope there's a few of my friends needing firewood.

And, that's the way it works sometimes, though I'd still get his Scope in writing. But if this individual is indeed as legitimate as you seem to feel, then it's obvious you may indeed have hit the jackpot with him.
 
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Concrete is a liquid when it is poured. A footer and a footing are the same thing. If you had ever actually worked on a conctruction project you would know.

LMAO! You are not only an idiot, but you never know when to stop digging. Concrete is a solid. Water is a liquid. Just because construction workers call them the wrong words doesn't mean they are correct. You are obviously not an engineer. Every single engineer knows you place concrete and also knows they are not footers. Hell, I even provided the definitions for you.

Do you have some sort of fetish for looking like a complete moron?
 

dave

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LMAO! You are not only an idiot, but you never know when to stop digging. Concrete is a solid. Water is a liquid. Just because construction workers call them the wrong words doesn't mean they are correct. You are obviously not an engineer. Every single engineer knows you place concrete and also knows they are not footers. Hell, I even provided the definitions for you.

Do you have some sort of fetish for looking like a complete moron?
A footer is the same thing as a footing. Concrete is poured in its liquid form and cures into a solid state. You are so desperate to get over on me that you are acting like a douchebag. I dont care. You can go on all day. Everyone knows what a footer is and anyone who has poured concrete knows why you use forms to shape it.
 

dave

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And, that's the way it works sometimes, though I'd still get his Scope in writing. But if this individual is indeed as legitimate as you seem to feel, then it's obvious you may indeed have hit the jackpot with him.
The guy may just need some cash.
 
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A footer is the same thing as a footing. Concrete is poured in its liquid form and cures into a solid state. You are so desperate to get over on me that you are acting like a douchebag. I dont care. You can go on all day. Everyone knows what a footer is and anyone who has poured concrete knows why you use forms to shape it.

Concrete is never a liquid. There is no liquid form.

Everyone knows what a footer and what a footing is because I posted the definitions above, dumbass.
 

dave

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Concrete is never a liquid. There is no liquid form.

Everyone knows what a footer and what a footing is because I posted the definitions above, dumbass.
There is a reason they call them Poured Concrete walls. There is a reason they pour concrete footers too. You keep trying so very hard cunty.
 

COOL MAN

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Concrete is a liquid when it is poured. A footer and a footing are the same thing. If you had ever actually worked on a conctruction project you would know.

For the record, I'm a Refrigeration guy; which means the only thing I myself know for a fact about concrete is that it eventually gets really hard.

Meanwhile, it never occurred to me that it would be considered a "liquid".....though perhaps the manner with which it's applied (meaning "poured") indeed represents the mitigating factor in this argument. I was also thinking that water perhaps made up a greater percentage of typical concrete's volume (versus other materials) than I realized. With that in mind, I Google-searched this issue and found the following on cement.com:

A properly designed mixture possesses the desired workability for the fresh concrete and the required durability and strength for the hardened concrete. Typically, a mix is about 10 to 15 percent cement, 60 to 75 percent aggregate and 15 to 20 percent water. Entrained air in many concrete mixes may also take up another 5 to 8 percent.

I honestly didn't realize aggregate made up so much greater a percentage of the mixture than the other ingredients. Anyway, under the assumption this represents a reasonable general definition of what composes concrete, I admit I'm still not sure why it's considered a liquid rather than a solid (aside what I said above).

For the record, I'm not trying to cause an argument; I'm simply trying to make an unknown known in my own mind. And I'm sure as hell not picking sides between country and dave; I'm perfectly delighted to leave them alone to beat one another's heads against the turn buckle for that "honor".
 
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There is a reason they call them Poured Concrete walls. There is a reason they pour concrete footers too. You keep trying so very hard cunty.

You do realize just because people call something a certain word doesn't make it true? Damn, I really can't believe you are actually this f'ucking stupid. A lot of people say "ain't" and "ain't got no." Again, there are three phases of matter; solids, liquids and gases. Concrete is a mixture of materials; it isn't a liquid, it's a solid.

One of the main ingredients of cemebt is water.

Can you elaborate some on how water is a main ingredient of cement. I'm curious.
 

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dave

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You do realize just because people call something a certain word doesn't make it true? Damn, I really can't believe you are actually this f'ucking stupid. A lot of people say "ain't" and "ain't got no." Again, there are three phases of matter; solids, liquids and gases. Concrete is a mixture of materials; it isn't a liquid, it's a solid.



Can you elaborate some on how water is a main ingredient of cement. I'm curious.
I meant to type concrete, not cemebt.

Concrete is poured in its liquid form and it cures into a solid form.

A footer and a footing is the same thing. This thread is a casual discussion that you hijacked because of your sick obsession with me. Anytime you need another lesson just ask.
 
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For the record, I'm a Refrigeration guy; which means the only thing I myself know for a fact about concrete is that it eventually gets really hard.

Meanwhile, it never occurred to me that it would be considered a "liquid".....though perhaps the manner with which it's applied (meaning "poured") indeed represents the mitigating factor in this argument. I was also thinking that water perhaps made up a greater percentage of typical concrete's volume (versus other materials) than I realized. With that in mind, I Google-searched this issue and found the following on cement.com:

A properly designed mixture possesses the desired workability for the fresh concrete and the required durability and strength for the hardened concrete. Typically, a mix is about 10 to 15 percent cement, 60 to 75 percent aggregate and 15 to 20 percent water. Entrained air in many concrete mixes may also take up another 5 to 8 percent.

I honestly didn't realize aggregate made up so much greater a percentage of the mixture than the other ingredients. Anyway, under the assumption this represents a reasonable general definition of what composes concrete, I admit I'm still not sure why it's considered a liquid rather than a solid (aside what I said above).

For the record, I'm not trying to cause an argument; I'm simply trying to make an unknown known in my own mind. And I'm sure as hell not picking sides between country and dave; I'm perfectly delighted to leave them alone to beat one another's heads against the turn buckle for that "honor".

You are correct. When you have a mixture of solids and liquids, it is not a liquid.
 
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I meant to type concrete, not cemebt.

Concrete is poured in its liquid form and it cures into a solid form.

A footer and a footing is the same thing. This thread is a casual discussion that you hijacked because of your sick obsession with me. Anytime you need another lesson just ask.

A lesson?

LMAO!!!!

The only lesson you can give is what a complete fraud and dumbass you are. You tried to argue with me for three hours one night about design speed and its relationship to posted speed limit before you finally realized you were wrong, again as usual. It's comical. You argued for three days about a tax chart never realizing you were wrong.

You are hilarious. It's like arguing with a kid. They argue for hours thinking they are correct the whole time when they aren't intelligent enough to realize they look like a complete moron.
 

dave

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A lesson?

LMAO!!!!

The only lesson you can give is what a complete fraud and dumbass you are. You tried to argue with me for three hours one night about design speed and its relationship to posted speed limit before you finally realized you were wrong, again as usual. It's comical. You argued for three days about a tax chart never realizing you were wrong.

You are hilarious. It's like arguing with a kid. They argue for hours thinking they are correct the whole time when they aren't intelligent enough to realize they look like a complete moron.
Repeating a lie doesnt make it true.
 

Mntneer

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I've had three different quotes on grading the slope to flatten house seat. I remind you it's between a 10%-13% grade and the leveling would be 90X60 feet. There are some trees too that needed to be knocked down.

Two guys said 3-4 weeks and $12,000-$15,000. The third guy said 3-5 days and $3,300. Drastic differences.

Sounds like you spoke with all three about their quotes. I'd budget $6,600 and go with #3 if you have good references on him.

If it's him and another operator.... find out how long he expects to take? A week, and I could see him charging $3,300, especially if he's a smaller guy.
 

dave

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Sounds like you spoke with all three about their quotes. I'd budget $6,600 and go with #3 if you have good references on him.

If it's him and another operator.... find out how long he expects to take? A week, and I could see him charging $3,300, especially if he's a smaller guy.
I agree with you and Cool Man here. As long as his quote represents the scope of work you want budget a little more than the quote and move forward.
 
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Not a lie. Sorry.

Wrong, give it up. No civil engineer confuses cement and concrete. Every civil engineer knows you place concrete, not pour it. They teach that in Materials 101. Every civil engineer knows there is no such thing as a footer. Every civil engineer knows the relationship of design speed to posted speed limit.

This is beyond sad, it is pathetic.
 

dave

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Wrong, give it up. No civil engineer confuses cement and concrete. Every civil engineer knows you place concrete, not pour it. They teach that in Materials 101. Every civil engineer knows there is no such thing as a footer. Every civil engineer knows the relationship of design speed to posted speed limit.

This is beyond sad, it is pathetic.
I agree this is sad and you went byond pathetic months ago. Engineers know what footers are. They know you pour concrete. Sometimes they even make mistakes.
 

Mntneer

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Wrong, give it up. No civil engineer confuses cement and concrete. Every civil engineer knows you place concrete, not pour it. They teach that in Materials 101. Every civil engineer knows there is no such thing as a footer. Every civil engineer knows the relationship of design speed to posted speed limit.

This is beyond sad, it is pathetic.

LMAO....I can see it now... you'd be some pinhead architect everyone would hate on a job.

What's a vital ingredient of concrete?
 
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LMAO....I can see it now... you'd be some pinhead architect everyone would hate on a job.

What's a vital ingredient of concrete?

I listed a bunch of them in this thread. There are also pozzolans (most common form is flyash), admixtures, such as retarder, HRWRA (high range water reducing admixtures), accelerators and the most important ingredient for mass concrete, which I'm sure you have never been involved with, is ice.

Now let me ask you a question. What is another form of pozzolan?
 

dave

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I listed a bunch of them in this thread. There are also pozzolans (most common form is flyash), admixtures, such as retarder, HRWRA (high range water reducing admixtures), accelerators and the most important ingredient for mass concrete, which I'm sure you have never been involved with, is ice.

Now let me ask you a question. What is another form of pozzolan?
Anyone can use google. Lame.
 

dave

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Yes, but dumbasses can't describe what they do and when you should and should not use them.
Could but just dont think it is an interesting discussion. I dont feel the need to "show off" my smarts to internet participants. The smart people on here know who is smart and that is good enough.