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Keyser76

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Wonder why he won't release his tax returns and keeps Sarah repeating the lie that he can't because he is being audited? Wonder why our cuts aren't permanent too. Can't really discuss policy with folks who have their identities tied up in pretending Trump is competent or even cares what is in his "win". Meanwhile, maybe the DOJ will find something that the FBI missed in the Uranium 1 deal, have we checked to make sure there aren't any anti Hillary lawyers looking into it? That bias dog whistle that gets the rubes howling?
 

bornaneer

All-Conference
Jan 23, 2014
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Wonder why he won't release his tax returns ?
Because he doesn't have to......and it's simply none of anyone's business. I'm pretty sure the IRS will contact President Trump if they have issues with his returns.
 

DvlDog4WVU

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2008
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The federal government is not a business. The US Treasury doesn't operate like a business. The manner of funds inflow and how the funds are appropriate out are not like a business. A legislative act (which businesses do not do) in which increases the deficit of the budget which will increase the debt is a COST OF FUNDS. A Cash Flow Statement in which can be done with both the Federal Government and a business is the about the only thing that is related between the two different entities. Either know what you are talking about or STFU. Some morons will do neither. They are easily spotted.
Like yourself. You’re backing into your nonsense half assed and you know it. You’re just incapable of being honest.
 

DvlDog4WVU

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2008
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If the taxes generated from future growth are not greater than the tax cuts, isn't that a cost?
Back to this question, nothing about taxes is a cost, other than to the taxpayer who has to pay the fvcking things. The taxes are the equivalent of revenue and the budget is essentially your AOP. Growth plan is the growth plan, in both instances and equates to your NOP.

What you are referencing are reduced earnings or reduced growth put into business terms which will lead to negative cash flow and an increase in the deficit, translated to debt. It’s not a cost. The costs in this instance are simply the budget and the interest. We have obligated long term expenditures in the budget, as they do the POM on a rolling 3 year cycle every year to earmark funds for the upcoming budgets. In every budget there is a lot of discretionary funding “use or lose” money, and naturally, every organization tries to use it so they can justify it in the next budget. This is the type of **** that can be cut and actually significantly adds up to 100s of billions. The use of lose mentality is what needs to change within Govt spending.

There are a couple of schools of thought on how to achieve that. 1. You reduce your revenues (taxes), not good in business, not good in reference to our debt, but can be used as a forcing mechanism on spending, and same in business in the Govt contracting world to force a RIF in order to reduce your rates. If you reduce your income haul, you either continue to explode your deficit or you cut back your spending. Bru actually alluded to this yesterday, that this would be the next move by the GOP and he’s right. Expect the GOP to go after entitlement reform in 19. Wont happen next year because it’s an election year. We are gonna spend big because it’s an election year. Reducing entitlement spending is a long term goal or at least it used to be of conservatives.

The other school of thought is to spend for growth. This was Obama’s strategy and it didn’t work. Bru blames the GOP, and he’s partially right. The GOP simply chose not to play ball with Obama’s agenda. He could have bent and worked across the aisle but he didn’t. He owns equal share of the economy’s anemic growth over the last 8 years. You basically had the GOP Congress and a petulant child of President playing a game of mine mine mine mine. It’s why I will correctly maintain he was a ****** leader. This is why you hear the term “tax and spend democrats”. They want to tax us to pay for the spending needed to provide the growth necessary to cover their spending which will need to be taxed to spend more for the growth.......

At best, the GOP tax plan will stimulate enough sustained growth to be able to cover the reduced tax revenues. Make no mistake, this tax plan has a larger agenda though beyond growth, and that’s entitlement reform. Everyone knows entitlement and defense spending reform has to happen. No one until Trump has had the balls to go after it. Paul Ryan has been the most outspoken leader for entitlement reform. Tax reform and entitlement reform is his reason for existence. I love this combo of Ryan/Trump for this very reason. Everyone in the country is going to feel the pain on this one. IMO, that’s a good thing, because like environment whackos, we are all citizens of this nation and we should all feel the pain of the reckless spending we’ve done and the cuts we’re going to have to make to get the ship righted. Everyone SHOULD feel the pain.

Getting our growth plan established sets us on the right track as it will enable businesses to shore up their foundations to be able to weather the storm that’s coming. The course we were on was going to see a massive economical crash, it was a decade or so away. We now have additional options at our disposal. For the Democrat plan to work, we would have had to significantly raise taxes and I think you’ve seen Bru advocate for that strategy multiple times on here. He wasn’t wrong, he was correct to his school of thought. There were other ways and what you will see play out, assuming the GOP holds serve, is the other school of thought. The Dem handwringing on this tax plan isn’t for the reasoning they say. It’s because this whole strategy puts they’re whole platform under siege in the coming years.

The reality is, as a country, we’ve tried their school of thought since the great society and war on poverty began. It’s failed miserably. You cannot look objectively at where we are as a nation and think it’s worked. This tax plan represents a course reversal and a new strategy. Is it perfect? Not at all. Is it the best that could actually be passed? Yes.
 
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the depths of your stupidity combined with too much kool aid drinking have made you unable to think properly or process any relevant information[pfftt]

So you think trump won't benefit from this? I know you aren't very intelligent but Shirley you are intelligent enough to know he benefits.....Bigly!
 

DvlDog4WVU

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2008
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So you think trump won't benefit from this? I know you aren't very intelligent but Shirley you are intelligent enough to know he benefits.....Bigly!
Of course he will, if you think that was a motivator for getting this done you’re a ******* fool.
 
Aug 27, 2001
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Back to this question, nothing about taxes is a cost, other than to the taxpayer who has to pay the fvcking things. The taxes are the equivalent of revenue and the budget is essentially your AOP. Growth plan is the growth plan, in both instances and equates to your NOP.

What you are referencing are reduced earnings or reduced growth put into business terms which will lead to negative cash flow and an increase in the deficit, translated to debt. It’s not a cost. The costs in this instance are simply the budget and the interest. We have obligated long term expenditures in the budget, as they do the POM on a rolling 3 year cycle every year to earmark funds for the upcoming budgets. In every budget there is a lot of discretionary funding “use or lose” money, and naturally, every organization tries to use it so they can justify it in the next budget. This is the type of **** that can be cut and actually significantly adds up to 100s of billions. The use of lose mentality is what needs to change within Govt spending.

There are a couple of schools of thought on how to achieve that. 1. You reduce your revenues (taxes), not good in business, not good in reference to our debt, but can be used as a forcing mechanism on spending, and same in business in the Govt contracting world to force a RIF in order to reduce your rates. If you reduce your income haul, you either continue to explode your deficit or you cut back your spending. Bru actually alluded to this yesterday, that this would be the next move by the GOP and he’s right. Expect the GOP to go after entitlement reform in 19. Wont happen next year because it’s an election year. We are gonna spend big because it’s an election year. Reducing entitlement spending is a long term goal or at least it used to be of conservatives.

The other school of thought is to spend for growth. This was Obama’s strategy and it didn’t work. Bru blames the GOP, and he’s partially right. The GOP simply chose not to play ball with Obama’s agenda. He could have bent and worked across the aisle but he didn’t. He owns equal share of the economy’s anemic growth over the last 8 years. You basically had the GOP Congress and a petulant child of President playing a game of mine mine mine mine. It’s why I will correctly maintain he was a ****** leader. This is why you hear the term “tax and spend democrats”. They want to tax us to pay for the spending needed to provide the growth necessary to cover their spending which will need to be taxed to spend more for the growth.......

At best, the GOP tax plan will stimulate enough sustained growth to be able to cover the reduced tax revenues. Make no mistake, this tax plan has a larger agenda though beyond growth, and that’s entitlement reform. Everyone knows entitlement and defense spending reform has to happen. No one until Trump has had the balls to go after it. Paul Ryan has been the most outspoken leader for entitlement reform. Tax reform and entitlement reform is his reason for existence. I love this combo of Ryan/Trump for this very reason. Everyone in the country is going to feel the pain on this one. IMO, that’s a good thing, because like environment whackos, we are all citizens of this nation and we should all feel the pain of the reckless spending we’ve done and the cuts we’re going to have to make to get the ship righted. Everyone SHOULD feel the pain.

Getting our growth plan established sets us on the right track as it will enable businesses to shore up their foundations to be able to weather the storm that’s coming. The course we were on was going to see a massive economical crash, it was a decade or so away. We now have additional options at our disposal. For the Democrat plan to work, we would have had to significantly raise taxes and I think you’ve seen Bru advocate for that strategy multiple times on here. He wasn’t wrong, he was correct to his school of thought. There were other ways and what you will see play out, assuming the GOP holds serve, is the other school of thought. The Dem handwringing on this tax plan isn’t for the reasoning they say. It’s because this whole strategy puts they’re whole platform under siege in the coming years.

The reality is, as a country, we’ve tried their school of thought since the great society and war on poverty began. It’s failed miserably. You cannot look objectively at where we are as a nation and think it’s worked. This tax plan represents a course reversal and a new strategy. Is it perfect? Not at all. Is it the best that could actually be passed? Yes.

Do your and the GOPs entitlement cuts include the SSI and Medicare I've paid into for 39 years?
 

DvlDog4WVU

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2008
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Do you have have a military pension, health care, and use of the commissary? You ok with cutting those? I'm not.
Who are you, Pelosi? That sounds like something she would say when the GOP proposed cuts to the DOD budget. To answer your question, there are plenty of other places to cut from the DOD budget than there. The discretionary funding would be target #1.
 
Aug 27, 2001
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Who are you, Pelosi? That sounds like something she would say when the GOP proposed cuts to the DOD budget. To answer your question, there are plenty of other places to cut from the DOD budget than there. The discretionary funding would be target #1.

So you are fine with cuts........ just not to your entitlements. That seems right up your alley.
 

DvlDog4WVU

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2008
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So you are fine with cuts........ just not to your entitlements. That seems right up your alley.
Huh? You’re struggling today. I see my biggest fan liked your post. Hahahahah, his logic train is about as short as your bus. Makes sense.

I’m fine with cuts to the defense budget, where the DOD decides to allocate them is fine with me. If it’s to where you hypothesized, fine. That’s not my call. I just want to see a massive cut across the board. 10% each year for the next 4 years would be great.
 

wvu2007

Senior
Jan 2, 2013
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Huh? You’re struggling today. I see my biggest fan liked your post. Hahahahah, his logic train is about as short as your bus. Makes sense.

I’m fine with cuts to the defense budget, where the DOD decides to allocate them is fine with me. If it’s to where you hypothesized, fine. That’s not my call. I just want to see a massive cut across the board. 10% each year for the next 4 years would be great.

@Original Mountaineer1 trying to comprehend.