No not automatically boom, but usually where you find one, you find the other.
Unanswered questions from Leftists/Socialists
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No not automatically boom, but usually where you find one, you find the other.
This is from your original post, which I quoted in my reply.
Why don't Socialists ever admit Socialism always fails? Why can't they point to one successful ongoing experiment of it anywhere working perfectly as planned?
Nowhere did you use the term dictatorship. Nice try though, as you did exactly what Boomboom521 said you would do and twist my reply. Thanks for playing.
OK so since you are arguing any of those countries are perfect examples of Socialist experiments(also my original question), which ones went "all Socialist" as in "all Big 12" and when? What did it change from when it decided to go "all Socialism...all the time"?
I'm admitting you're correct, so show me how?
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boomer if I practiced "warping" from now until Almighty God calls me home, I couldn't even begin to approach your expertise at sliding past Truth to get to reality on the magic carpet ride of your situational relativism.
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Dude I twice or at least 3 times gave you credit for hanging in there! Congratulations boom you ran and survived the gauntlet:clap: I only went back and pointed out how you also 100% fulfilled every other prediction I made in that challenge ie (name calling, lying about what you actually believe, not directly answering questions, or denying that you are a Leftist/Socialist
kay:So you are just flat out wrong suggesting I didn't give you credit for "standing in line"...but I gave you extra credit for refusing to stand up while you were standing in line.:thumbsdown:
Now if you're honest you'll admit how deceitful you are Pop, and this proves how weak your argument or answer is. Your answer to my question does not include true Socialist countries. (Boomer tried the same trick with China and he had to be reminded they also are not a true Government command and control economy) You know good and darned well none of those countries is a complete Socialist command and control economy where the Government runs everything, owns everything and allows no private ownership of any wealth.
Now either you already knew that, or you're a liar (another one of my predictions about the Left) Boomer to his credit did answer this same question with a firm "no"...but he qualified it with "it depends on what you mean by pure Socialist" or some other such gobbledygook relativism he added into his answer to cover all the bases. But that's boomer. He at least admitted as far as a true Socialist command and control Government run central planned economy...there are no successful examples one can cite.
OK so now you're on here trying to answer this question using France, Scotland, and Switzerland? Switzerland...with all of those private banks? France, with their fabulous private pharmaceuticals and aerospace industries...Great Britain does have the British National health service (which is a disaster btw) but they also have BP and Rolls Royce! Are you ignorant of all of this or just ill informed?
If you want to use Capitalist countries like that which have Socialism in them why didn't you include America? We have our own masterpieces of Socialist inefficiency in the VA and Social in-Security! I mentioned how you 'accidentally' skipped over Cuba, and North Korea...Venezuela has also gone from a once beautiful tourist attraction to a Socialist hell hole since those income redistributionists down there moved in and confiscated all of the private wealth. Why didn't you pick them Pop?
If America is a Socialist experiment you care to promote as an example of the discredited ideology then tell me why is Trump sitting in the White House? How did the American people elect him (without help from those former Communist/Socialist Russians) and if we're a successful Socialist experiment, what the Hell are all of you Leftists still complaining about and what is Trump up to that's got you all so upset?
Try another question...on this one you failed:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Nah, you said I didn’t answer questions you didn’t ask, and answered questions you asked with lies, and deflected and......Dude I twice or at least 3 times gave you credit for hanging in there! Congratulations boom you ran and survived the gauntlet:clap: I only went back and pointed out how you also 100% fulfilled every other prediction I made in that challenge ie (name calling, lying about what you actually believe, not directly answering questions, or denying that you are a Leftist/Socialist
So you are just flat out wrong suggesting I didn't give you credit for "standing in line"...but I gave you extra credit for refusing to stand up while you were standing in line.:thumbsdown:
All culminating to the one absolute truth you love to live by above all others......you are always right.
See Pop.....you failed, according to the glorious mind that seeks to educate all that crossed his righteous path. In order for a nation to be “socialist” it has to be a TRUE socialist nation.....and any discussion about socialist aspects of government policy (oh, such as a national defense) is gobbledygook and deflection. Because all he wants to point out is 1) socialism - bad 2) ATL - smart 3) Jesus - absolute truth (he’ll get to it soon).
You actually got the question on Socialism right boom. Why are you back tracking now?
I do know one thing when it comes to Socialists and Jesus.
He ain't one of them...and they sure as Hell don't like him!
Absolute Truth my Man!
Hey boomer my Man here's a nice relativistic type question I'm sure a man of your credentials in situational realities can really conjugate.
Let's take one of those examples that Pop used of successful Socialist experiments, what would 'ya say is the reason the Socialist parts are working so well?
Do you think they are making the Capitalist free enterprise parts work better or is it the Capitalist free enterprise parts of those countries that are propping up the Socialist aspects of them?
Go ahead and expound on that theory using your mellifluous relativistic orchestral arrangements. Uh, let's hear it in D minor can we?
Maestro....music please...the Conductor is ready!
C'mon boom My man...serenade us.....
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I understand what a difficult time you have dealing with my absolute Truths boom...I know it's hard. Relativism claims portions of logic in the brain very early when it's first introduced into the consciousness.
But try and concentrate...break through the haze and focus on what is...not what you think it should be or wish it to be but what is boom.
Darkness hates Light. Wrong is never right. Truth always exposes lies, and Socialists never admit who they are or why they fail. See how easy that is my friend?
What is boom.....focus on that.
It's the first step towards recovery from situational relativism.
I missed this earlier...Damn! I see how you backed off that one as if you had a 12 inch extension yourself didn't 'ya boom?
Dude you weren't going anywhere that Karl Marx question I asked you were ya? Like Darwin I happen to think he (Marx) was brilliant!
Those two radicals started a whole genre of Human thought based on nothing more than their own ideas of what "is". Both have managed to influence major portions of the educated and non educated populace and both of them are 100% dead wrong!
We did NOT evolve from Apes, and Socialism is BOTH a practical and historically proven failure!
Yet those two rascals have legions of followers who regularly argue their fallacies as fact and I'm actually blogging with one of them...so how brilliant were those two Cats?
Just Damn.
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"Cmon @Boomboom521 ...Karl Marx is 'ya boy! If you're not gonna have his back...why are you gonna 'diss him too! That ain't right boomer...he taught you everything you know didn't he my Man?
So what did he get Right? Give 'ya boy some props Dude!
If you're not going to defend him because you won't admit you're a Socialist...then chop him up Bro! Tell us what he got wrong...where did he screw up? What part of his "Socialist inevitability" did he miss the forecast on? How'd he lose you boom?
Seems to me he's very close to realizing his vision...a one World Government as one Supreme State. That's not what you want boom? You're rejecting your mentor?
Just Damn!:weary:
So what did he get Right? Give 'ya boy some props Dude!
If you're not going to defend him because you won't admit you're a Socialist...then chop him up Bro! Tell us what he got wrong...where did he screw up? What part of his "Socialist inevitability" did he miss the forecast on? How'd he lose you boom?
Seems to me he's very close to realizing his vision...a one World Government as one Supreme State. That's not what you want boom? You're rejecting your mentor?
Just Damn!:weary:
Boom I'm not picking on you honestly My Man (those questions were for everyone)....I'm trying to get you to see how easy it is to discredit both Socialism and those of you who follow it.
It's one thing for you to say you are not a Socialist..OK...and I honestly don't know if you are or not? However if you are not, it should be easy for you NOT to defend it. As I said in one of my questions, most of you on the Left never attack it. Why not?
Look how few of you took the challenge to answer the question about that? Let's assume Democrats are not Socialists as they insist. Why is it never attacked by them, or even criticized? It proves my point boom!
I could have answered that Karl Marx question easily my friend. I can think of several things he got wrong, and even a few things he got right because he stumbled into some eternal Truths about the nature of Man which as I've discussed before with you is Sinful, ...unfortunately Marx was an Atheist. But he still was right about some things we do to each other to take advantage of our power over one another, and I agree with him on those things.
But when you back off and don't even criticize him, or if you agree with him, or properly analyze where he was in error if you do not support his overall general ideology...then it just plays right into my hands in proving you Leftists simply can't admit what you actually believe in or you run away from it when asked to defend it.
You get mad at me and claim I always have to be right or twist what you say...but all you have to do is firmly stand on what you actually believe and defend it which in my mind would shut me up once and for all...but you can't do that when it comes to what you disagree with about Socialism or Atheism which usually go hand in hand and you can't do that because you actually do believe most of what they do and you simply refuse to admit it.
Carry on.
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I did....you said it’s not what I believe....you said I was lying. I even attempted to explain what I consider to be the “general” viewpoints of “the left” on the questions in which you asked, but even then you claimed it wasn’t the true leftist position. Your questions attempt to ask my personal opinion, my personal beliefs, but also what Marx believed, but also what socialist thinkers beyond Marx believed, but also what Democrats believe, but also what a democratic socialist nation believes, but also....
Even playing your stupid little game of “making atl look like a genius”, you still try to treat me as someone who is afraid to lay down my beliefs in front of you.
When I do, you always always compare them to yours, as if it determines right and wrong. You don’t debate aspects of my opinion. You write “wrong!” And continue to enlighten me as to what I should believe — for no reason other than the fact that your church told you so. You’re ********.
Just like the above post, to you:
Socialist is dictatorial is atheist is probably everything else anti- your beliefs. Because it just makes sense to you to lump everything opposing you as the same.
Make fun of my education. Speak down to me about my “relavism” even though I explain my opinions in detail. Talk about your religion as the absolute truth......but still blow your smoke about how you’re all about liberty, and discussion, and respect, and goodness.
********
You're right I'm a creep. But I can easily articulate what I both strongly disagree with Marx on and what he got right.
You can't or you didn't. You attacked me for pointing out your cowardace.
That's cool boom. I agree with you on one fundamental Truth that is as absolutist as it is true. This is America, and here we are allowed to believe what we want to.
So you think about this post next time you attack Christians for what we believe which you do as often as you complain I attack you for your expressed beliefs.
Understand we are free...and we are free because we can choose what to believe and what not to believe no matter what anyone else says.
You on the Left will get resistance from us when you try to tell us we can't practice our beliefs or advocate for them and especially when you lie about them...calling us racists.
Remember in the arena of ideas, we have just as much right boom to fight for our ways as you on the Left try to prevent us from winning minds to them.
We're up to the fight which I try to demonstrate on this board and you are simply angry your views get such a strong challenge and you can't argue for them as strongly as I do for mine because you are afraid to firmly stand on what you actually do believe. If you weren't that way, when is the last time you criticized state sponsored Socialism the way you frequently bash Conservatism or Christianity? I have never seen you criticize Socialism...no one on the Left ever does. But you all come after Christians with a rage and hatred that is maniacal.
I asked in one of my questions what should we fear most? A God that Christians Worship or a Socialist Dictator? You didn't answer that one either.
Let the battle continue.
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No boom all I ask for is clarification of what it is you do believe? I said I don't understand it but I never attack you for it. I only ask you to explain it so I can try to understand it. Find where I attacked your beliefs. You can't.
I did not "make fun" of your education boom. You graduated from West Virginia University which in my opinion is one of the finest institutions of higher learning in America. I'm actually dissappointed you can't represent your Alma Mater in a more forceful way! That Marx question was a softball boom you should have hit it out of the park Dude.
Boom it may surprise you to learn that I am not Religious. What "Religion" was Christ?
I am however a Christian. I follow Christ and any Religion that allows for his preeminence is one I also accept. But many Religions reject Christ...for example Islam. I do not follow them but I also do not criticize what they believe. Religion is simply Man's way of reconciling himself to God. Christ is Almighty God's way of reconciling himself to Mankind.
I defend my beliefs in the immutable Truth of the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior. I will never back down from defending that as Truth because it is. It is so because Christ himself called himself Truth.
"I am the Truth the way and the light...no man comes to the Father but by/through me"
That settles it for me, but that is not Religion boom...that is Faith backed by historical documented verifed tested and certified Truth.
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All this is so funny........"Liberals" are called socialist or communists, and so they select a president that reflects their viewpoints (ex. Obama, right?).........but "Conservatives" are all about religion and Christianity, and they selected Trump.........interesting.....affairs, divorces, foul language, argumentative, bully...........opcorn:
opcorn:
You are defining conservatives as evangelicals. It’s not the same. I’m a conservative and I’m not religious in the slightest. I don’t even politely bow my head when people do prayers. However, unlike liberals, I don’t actively try to tear away from Christianity.All this is so funny........"Liberals" are called socialist or communists, and so they select a president that reflects their viewpoints (ex. Obama, right?).........but "Conservatives" are all about religion and Christianity, and they selected Trump.........interesting.....affairs, divorces, foul language, argumentative, bully...........
Interesting, again. But you didn't say "you are defining liberals as socialists"........so you can assume that all liberals are socialist, but the opposite isn't allowed on conservatives. More hypocrisy.
opcorn:
I’m not a liberal and didn’t feel it was my place to correct that.Interesting, again. But you didn't say "you are defining liberals as socialists"........so you can assume that all liberals are socialist, but the opposite isn't allowed on conservatives. More hypocrisy.
Interesting, again. But you didn't say "you are defining liberals as socialists"........so you can assume that all liberals are socialist, but the opposite isn't allowed on conservatives. More hypocrisy.
Liberals don't admit they're Socialists. What do Liberals believe differently than Socialists?
Tax the wealthy and redistribute incomes?✔
Gov't controls over private enterprises? ✔
Opposition to Capitalism/free markets?✔
Limit accumulation of individial wealth? ✔
Gov't control over private property ?✔
Class and race warfare? ✔
Socialized medicine run by Government? ✔
Taxing private Corporations above their earnings to fund social programs? ✔
Confiscation of wealth when one dies? ✔
Supremacy of the State over individual rights or Liberty? ✔
Lack of belief in or rejection of Godly Authority over the affairs of Men? ✔
Government education of the masses? ✔
So tell me MountaineerWV, what do Liberals disagree with Socialists over?
Liberals are Socialists who just won't admit to it? ✔
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All this is so funny........"Liberals" are called socialist or communists, and so they select a president that reflects their viewpoints (ex. Obama, right?).........but "Conservatives" are all about religion and Christianity, and they selected Trump.........interesting.....affairs, divorces, foul language, argumentative, bully...........
Most Christians are Pro-life and support traditional Marriage between a Man and a Woman. So does Trump.
Obama ran as a traditional Marriage President but changed his mind before his re-election and he says he's a Christian but he favors the choice of a Woman to kill her unwanted child. Trump is Pro-Life.
How does Obama line up with what most Christians or Conservatives believe?
More importantly, where do Liberals disagree with Socialists on these?
Abortion on demand? ✔
Gay Marriage? ✔
White Christians are racists?✔
Liberals=Socialists? ✔
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Question:Why don't Socialists ever admit Socialism always fails? Why can't they point to one successful ongoing experiment of it anywhere working perfectly as planned?
Popeer said: One successful ongoing experiment? I'll give you several: Germany, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, France,and to a lesser extent Britain, Ireland and Scotland.
The economy of Germany is a highly developed social market economy. It has the largest national economy in Europe, the fourth-largest by nominal GDP in the world, and fifth by GDP. Of the world's 500 largest stock-market-listed companies measured by revenue in 2010, the Fortune Global 500, 37 are headquartered in Germany. 30 Germany-based companies are included in the DAX, the German stock market index. Well-known global brands are Mercedes-Benz, BMW, SAP, Siemens, Volkswagen, Adidas, Audi, Allianz, Porsche, Bayer, BASF, Bosch, and Nivea.[7
It provides a free market for business activity. It has a command economy in the areas of defense, welfare, and education. The government provides free healthcare. Its government is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy. The economy of England is the largest economy of the four countries of the United Kingdom. England is a highly industrialised country.
Now the reason I went through all of this is to prove to the board that this poster is a fraud. He boasted he could provide several examples of Socialist countries successfully operating. None of the countires he listed in an attempt to answer the question is a "Socialist" economy. Most if not all indeed contain some elements of Socialism (which was probably his point) but virtually all of them were based in some sort of market driven Capitalism which is providing the growth and funding of the Socialist elements. Once again, the Left CANNOT defend their failed ideology...they have zero examples to offer of any succesfully run purely Socialist economy and they have not admitted to its (Socialism's) record of failure where it has been run as an alternative to free market Capitalism.
This poster has not had the stones to come back here and defend his wrong and error filled answer to my question, and I could post a number of failed purely Socialist countries that would have fit, but I think I've made my point in this post about the Left, this poster, and Socialism in general.
Do you all see why they (Leftists) can't defend it and don't? The facts of its discredited performance are NEVER on their side!
Now all the OP will do will do is call me names or accuse me of twisting his answers.[eyeroll]
Popeer said: One successful ongoing experiment? I'll give you several: Germany, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, France,and to a lesser extent Britain, Ireland and Scotland.
The economy of Germany is a highly developed social market economy. It has the largest national economy in Europe, the fourth-largest by nominal GDP in the world, and fifth by GDP. Of the world's 500 largest stock-market-listed companies measured by revenue in 2010, the Fortune Global 500, 37 are headquartered in Germany. 30 Germany-based companies are included in the DAX, the German stock market index. Well-known global brands are Mercedes-Benz, BMW, SAP, Siemens, Volkswagen, Adidas, Audi, Allianz, Porsche, Bayer, BASF, Bosch, and Nivea.[7
Economy - overview: Austria, with its well-developed market economy, skilled labor force, and high standard of living, is closely tied to other EU economies, especially Germany's. Its economy features a large service sector, a relatively sound industrial sector, and a small, but highly developed agricultural sector
Economy - overview: Norway has a stable economy with a vibrant private sector, a large state sector, and an extensive social safety net. Norway opted out of the EU during a referendum in November 1994; nonetheless, as a member of theEuropean Economic Area, it contributes sizably to the EU budget. , Norway is trying to be a free market economy same as other modern economies. Important to say that Scandinavian countries have lower degree of economic freedom due to high taxes (state redistribution of wealth).
Sweden is an export-oriented mixed economy featuring a modern distribution system, excellent internal and external communications, and a skilled labor force. Timber, hydropower and iron ore constitute the resource base of an economy heavily oriented toward foreign trade. The economy of Sweden is a developed export-oriented economy aided by timber, hydropower, and iron ore. These constitute the resource base of an economy oriented toward foreign trade. ... Sweden has achieved a high standard of living under a mixed system of high-tech capitalism and extensive welfare benefits.
The Dutch economy is a private free-market system . The main impact of the government on the economy is through regulation and taxation. The Dutch have long been renowned as merchants and almost two-thirds of the economy is now based on foreign trade. Along with the United States, the country has consistently been one of the main proponents of international free trade and the reduction of duties and tariffs on goods and services.
France operates a mixed economy that combines capitalist and socialist characteristics. Capitalism involves private ownership of capital and other means of production. Under socialism, the government directs economic activity and owns all or part of most industries. The economy of France is a developed one and is the sixth-largest economy in the world. France Market accommodates both extensive private enterprise with government ownership retained in certain key infrastructure sectors such as railway, electricity, aircraft and telecommunications.
The UK economy although viewed as a mainly capitalist economy has government spending taking up 35% of GDP. ... Although government intervention means there is a mixed of both planned and market economies.
It provides a free market for business activity. It has a command economy in the areas of defense, welfare, and education. The government provides free healthcare. Its government is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy. The economy of England is the largest economy of the four countries of the United Kingdom. England is a highly industrialised country.
The economy of Ireland is a modern knowledge economy, focusing on services and high-tech industries and dependent on trade, industry and investment. In terms of GDP per capita, Ireland is ranked as one of the wealthiest countries in the OECD and the EU-27 at 5th in the OECD-28 rankings as of 2008. Ireland has a mixed economic system which includes a variety of private freedom, combined with centralized economic planning and government regulation. Ireland is a member of the European Union (EU).
The economy of Scotland had an estimated nominal gross domestic product (GDP) of up to £152 billion in 2015. Since the Acts of Union 1707, Scotland's economy has been closely aligned with the economy of the rest of the United Kingdom (UK) and England has historically been its main trading partner. Scotland is a wealthy and competitive economy, founded on the skills and innovation of its people and businesses. Scotland has strengths in a diverse range of sectors including Food and Drink, Financial and Business Services, Life Sciences, Energy, Tourism and Creative Industries.
Now the reason I went through all of this is to prove to the board that this poster is a fraud. He boasted he could provide several examples of Socialist countries successfully operating. None of the countires he listed in an attempt to answer the question is a "Socialist" economy. Most if not all indeed contain some elements of Socialism (which was probably his point) but virtually all of them were based in some sort of market driven Capitalism which is providing the growth and funding of the Socialist elements. Once again, the Left CANNOT defend their failed ideology...they have zero examples to offer of any succesfully run purely Socialist economy and they have not admitted to its (Socialism's) record of failure where it has been run as an alternative to free market Capitalism.
This poster has not had the stones to come back here and defend his wrong and error filled answer to my question, and I could post a number of failed purely Socialist countries that would have fit, but I think I've made my point in this post about the Left, this poster, and Socialism in general.
Do you all see why they (Leftists) can't defend it and don't? The facts of its discredited performance are NEVER on their side!
Now all the OP will do will do is call me names or accuse me of twisting his answers.[eyeroll]
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And you didn't even bother to try to accurately answer the question. I asked for one successful Socialist experiment working for a country perfectly as planned. Your answers were nations with Socialist programs indeed, but none of them is/was a Socialist country! It was a nice clever trick, but the point of the question was to find a Socialist country, not Capitalist countries running Socialist programs. We have that here in America, and even those programs are dismal performers.
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What reality did I "warp" in Popeer's answer boom? You make these charges against me because you're angry with me and I get that, but what's backing up your charges other than the fact you're upset I'm right and that's what's pissing you off?
I posted a long list of issues to compare the differences between Socialists and Liberals. I asked @MountaineerWV which ones Liberals disagreed with Socialists on? Did you see it? No one on the Left has bothered to answer. I asked you to tell me what is the biggest thing that you disagree with Socialists over? Silence.
How do you post what you did in this response, when any of you have ample opportunity to come on here and state exactly what your beliefs are especially and particularly when it comes to differentiating yourselves from Socialists which all of you claim NOT to be?
How can I twist what you firmly state you believe? If you don't agree with Socialists, why can't you state where you disagree with them? If you agree with them, why don't you admit it?
QUOTE: If all Socialists left America and set up their Utopia anywhere else in the World in a place of their choosing, would it be better than America which they hate and think is the worst place that ever existed in the history of Mankind? Why haven't they done that then if they hate living here so much or why haven't they simply moved to any of their current choices among many Socialist nations operating today?
Assuming this statement to bt true, Socialist would/could never start their own country as they wouldn't have a tax base to fund this UTOPIA !!
Assuming this statement to bt true, Socialist would/could never start their own country as they wouldn't have a tax base to fund this UTOPIA !!
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