Washinton Post perfectly sums up Uranium One and Clinton/Russia "collusion"

Boomboom521

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The uranium is allowed to be exported?

Nine different agencies didn’t have the ability to cancel the deal?

Obama didn’t have the final say?

The donations weren’t made prior to 2008?
 

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I see. You're not real good at expressing what's on your mind are you? or perhaps you actually don't have anything critical to say about the article because you didn't read it. Either way it's ok, no one is judging you.
 

Mntneer

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It doesn't really sum it up at all. Just says that other agencies also had to sign off on it with Obama having final approval. Does not go into detail on the allegations of payments to the Clinton Foundation by individuals that may have wanted to see the deal go through, or the level of effort Clinton put into getting the deal approved.
 

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Do you have alternative facts? Or is that article fake news?

DID HILLARY CLINTON sell the country’s uranium to Russia in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation? Did the Democrats collude with Russian nationals to tip the election against Donald Trump? No, and no.

Interesting conclusions based nothing on objective findings. There is much more substantial evidence of this occurring than Trump anything, at this point. If the DOJ was colluding/conspiring with the Clinton campaign as suspected from the emails that have been leaked, then nothing of truthful value of any political sensitive investigations can be taken from that time period.

Which raises a third question:

Since the first two are still in question regardless of what the MSM would have you believe, this is irrelevant.

that the United States gave up a big chunk of its uranium to the Russians — is simply wrong; none of the uranium could legally be exported, anyway.

Stawman. It doesn't matter what Russia got out of the deal. They really wanted the mine in blahblahistan. It was pay for play.

Claims that the Clinton campaign colluded with Russia are similarly perplexing. Ms. Clinton’s campaign helped pay for a dossier of unconfirmed accusations about Mr. Trump, most of which a British former intelligence official gathered from Russian intelligence

FIFY

But U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that insofar as the Russian government’s efforts to sow discord boosted any one candidate, the Kremlin aimed to help Mr. Trump, not Ms. Clinton.

This is simply not true. Discord for anyone and everyone was the goal. They purchased Facebook advertisements for both sides of the political spectrum. Again, any statement from DOJ or likewise prior to Trump being sworn in is suspect.

The real scandal in all this is the cynicism of the president and others trying to distract Americans and draw moral equivalencies where none exist.

A lot of Americans do not trust Congress, federal agencies, nor the MSM. All have been in bed together for decades. Comey lied during sworn testimony to Congress. No problem. Clapper too. I'm sure if they can lie to Congress, they can lie to anyone.

It's not about getting to the bottom of the Russia story when your first indictments have absolutely nothing to do with Russia/Trump ties. It's get Trump at all costs. So if that's the case, then let's go. Let's dig into the records of everyone associated with Manafort. I'm pretty certain one side is going to come away a lot dirtier than the other, and it's not the GOP.
 

Boomboom521

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It doesn't really sum it up at all. Just says that other agencies also had to sign off on it with Obama having final approval. Does not go into detail on the allegations of payments to the Clinton Foundation by individuals that may have wanted to see the deal go through, or the level of effort Clinton put into getting the deal approved.
Discussions during those committee sessions are never disclosed. Point is, it wasn’t Clinton’s decision. If you believe it was Obama’s grand plan, and he benefited, then you must believe the donations to the Clinton Foundation have been funneled (untraced) into the hands of Obama.
 

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Do you have alternative facts? Or is that article fake news?
I dont really know what your ilk would call them but the facts and whatever was in that article are different. One only need read the articles from a week ago that broke the story and compare them to that op ed to see a huge difference.
 

Mntneer

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Discussions during those committee sessions are never disclosed. Point is, it wasn’t Clinton’s decision. If you believe it was Obama’s grand plan, and he benefited, then you must believe the donations to the Clinton Foundation have been funneled (untraced) into the hands of Obama.

The one thing I'm not is naive.
 

Boomboom521

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Interesting conclusions based nothing on objective findings. There is much more substantial evidence of this occurring than Trump anything, at this point. If the DOJ was colluding/conspiring with the Clinton campaign as suspected from the emails that have been leaked, then nothing of truthful value of any political sensitive investigations can be taken from that time period.



Since the first two are still in question regardless of what the MSM would have you believe, this is irrelevant.



Stawman. It doesn't matter what Russia got out of the deal. They really wanted the mine in blahblahistan. It was pay for play.



FIFY



This is simply not true. Discord for anyone and everyone was the goal. They purchased Facebook advertisements for both sides of the political spectrum. Again, any statement from DOJ or likewise prior to Trump being sworn in is suspect.



A lot of Americans do not trust Congress, federal agencies, nor the MSM. All have been in bed together for decades. Comey lied during sworn testimony to Congress. No problem. Clapper too. I'm sure if they can lie to Congress, they can lie to anyone.

It's not about getting to the bottom of the Russia story when your first indictments have absolutely nothing to do with Russia/Trump ties. It's get Trump at all costs. So if that's the case, then let's go. Let's dig into the records of everyone associated with Manafort. I'm pretty certain one side is going to come away a lot dirtier than the other, and it's not the GOP.
I’m not a writer for the Washington Post, mr administrator, you are falsely attributing article words to me in your post. Please don’t use your special editing abilities for these purposes.
 

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Discussions during those committee sessions are never disclosed. Point is, it wasn’t Clinton’s decision.

And she can't persuade him via political motives? It's all appointed positions, so they're going to go along with whatever the admin wants, and if Clinton wanted it bad enough, she'd get it.
 

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I dont really know what your ilk would call them but the facts and whatever was in that article are different. One only need read the articles from a week ago that broke the story and compare them to that op ed to see a huge difference.
Link it. Or better still, use your posts to present “facts” instead of insults all the time
 

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I’m not a writer for the Washington Post, mr administrator, you are falsely attributing article words to me in your post. Please don’t use your special editing abilities for these purposes.

Nothing administrator special about what I did. I copy/pasted it, and put your quote tags around it. Simmer down Knox.
 

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And she can't persuade him via political motives? It's all appointed positions, so they're going to go along with whatever the admin wants, and if Clinton wanted it bad enough, she'd get it.
Making everyone in that session, the DOJ, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the President, the Clinton Foundation all guilty of conspiracy. All for Clinton to get richer? Ok.
 

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Notice how he cleverly left out the most important part of the story?

The entire transaction was illegal and never given approval by Congress because it is.

He also never mentioned exactly what happened to the payments Hillary both sought and received for facilitating the transaction. And what was his explanation for not informing the American people or keeping details of the deal concealed from Congressional oversight?

What was Muller's role and what happened to the money from the transaction? Who got paid and what for?

He didn't think any of that was important so he just didn't report on that. His objective was simply to clear Hillary, not get to the bottom of the story truthfully as a good objective reporter should do.

Either this reporter is incompetent or he is thoroughly corrupt leaving out these critical pieces of information? Which is it because he left out a lot!

Here read the truth about it minus the Liberal bias:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...sian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
 
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Interesting conclusions based nothing on objective findings. There is much more substantial evidence of this occurring than Trump anything, at this point. If the DOJ was colluding/conspiring with the Clinton campaign as suspected from the emails that have been leaked, then nothing of truthful value of any political sensitive investigations can be taken from that time period.



Since the first two are still in question regardless of what the MSM would have you believe, this is irrelevant.



Stawman. It doesn't matter what Russia got out of the deal. They really wanted the mine in blahblahistan. It was pay for play.



FIFY



This is simply not true. Discord for anyone and everyone was the goal. They purchased Facebook advertisements for both sides of the political spectrum. Again, any statement from DOJ or likewise prior to Trump being sworn in is suspect.



A lot of Americans do not trust Congress, federal agencies, nor the MSM. All have been in bed together for decades. Comey lied during sworn testimony to Congress. No problem. Clapper too. I'm sure if they can lie to Congress, they can lie to anyone.

It's not about getting to the bottom of the Russia story when your first indictments have absolutely nothing to do with Russia/Trump ties. It's get Trump at all costs. So if that's the case, then let's go. Let's dig into the records of everyone associated with Manafort. I'm pretty certain one side is going to come away a lot dirtier than the other, and it's not the GOP.
Would that be the same DOJ that announced an investigation into the emails two different times in the weeks leading up to the election? What a conspiracy chasing loon you are. Think man, think.
 

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Would that be the same DOJ that announced an investigation into the emails two different times in the weeks leading up to the election? What a conspiracy chasing loon you are. Think man, think.

Hard to not think conspiratorial when Bill and Loretta meet on the tarmac just before Hillbag is announced as clean.
 

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I’m all for investigating pay for play at the Clinton Foundation, not because I believe anything happened, but because I want to end the rhetoric and division.

Thing is....as long as conservatives seek only information and facts that support their desired outcomes....there will always be a “news organization” there to support the grand theory. That theory usually always has to do with right being right and left being criminal. Trump collusion? “Political witch hunt” Clinton murder / political corruption machine? “Of course”. Even as more people are brought down by Mueller (and I hope some on the left are brought down too, just to enhance his credibility) loyalists won’t believe anything but what Tucker, Hannity, Trump, and Limbaugh tell them to believe.
 

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I’m all for investigating pay for play at the Clinton Foundation, not because I believe anything happened, but because I want to end the rhetoric and division.
It won't end it. How many congressional and FBI investigations have been made over HC's emails and Benghazi and still, wingnuts ignore facts and findings of the investigations and continue with their BS. How many investigations were done in the 90's on the Clintons? Haven't stopped a thing. These people feed on division and emotional reactions in order to achieve power. It is their playbook. They couldn't care less about facts, fairness or integrity. And they elected a president to support their warped views. You know this. Don't fall for their BS
 

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I’m all for investigating pay for play at the Clinton Foundation, not because I believe anything happened, but because I want to end the rhetoric and division.

Thing is....as long as conservatives seek only information and facts that support their desired outcomes....there will always be a “news organization” there to support the grand theory. That theory usually always has to do with right being right and left being criminal. Trump collusion? “Political witch hunt” Clinton murder / political corruption machine? “Of course”. Even as more people are brought down by Mueller (and I hope some on the left are brought down too, just to enhance his credibility) loyalists won’t believe anything but what Tucker, Hannity, Trump, and Limbaugh tell them to believe.

I wonder what led us to that point? Perhaps MSM being 90% liberal, and not objective?
 

atlkvb

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It won't end it. How many congressional and FBI investigations have been made over HC's emails and Benghazi and still, wingnuts ignore facts and findings of the investigations and continue with their BS. How many investigations were done in the 90's on the Clintons? Haven't stopped a thing. These people feed on division and emotional reactions in order to achieve power. It is their playbook. They couldn't care less about facts, fairness or integrity. And they elected a president to support their warped views. You know this. Don't fall for their BS

Why did that WaPo reporter leave out the financial details and national security consequences of that deal in his story that the Hill reported in detail if you read their story I linked to?

In fact read both stories and then decide which one is more accurate, detailed, and complete?

The Washington Post reporter leaves out critical pieces of information, why?
 
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Hard to not think conspiratorial when Bill and Loretta meet on the tarmac just before Hillbag is announced as clean.
Let me tell you how this will all go down. The GOP controlled Congress will conduct their 53rd, 54th, 56th, and 57th investigation in all things Clinton. The wingnuts on the committee will make a big show, point fingers, convey conspiracy theories, rumor and innuendo. Then the experts will start testifying. Then there will be no evidence presented to implicate Clinton(s). And the investigation will end with no charges. Then the wingnuts will go to Fox News, ignoring the facts, and continue to claim HC is evil and Bill is the devil incarnate. How do I know this will happen? Because that's the exact result of the first 52 investigations. You people are obsessed.
 

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It won't end it. How many congressional and FBI investigations have been made over HC's emails and Benghazi and still, wingnuts ignore facts and findings of the investigations and continue with their BS. How many investigations were done in the 90's on the Clintons? Haven't stopped a thing. These people feed on division and emotional reactions in order to achieve power. It is their playbook. They couldn't care less about facts, fairness or integrity. And they elected a president to support their warped views. You know this. Don't fall for their BS
True. Hope will always be my biggest downfall.
 
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It won't end it. How many congressional and FBI investigations have been made over HC's emails and Benghazi and still, wingnuts ignore facts and findings of the investigations and continue with their BS. How many investigations were done in the 90's on the Clintons? Haven't stopped a thing. These people feed on division and emotional reactions in order to achieve power. It is their playbook. They couldn't care less about facts, fairness or integrity. And they elected a president to support their warped views. You know this. Don't fall for their BS

pretty good summary. Definitely part of the playbook. How many times have I asked the nutz on this forum to defend Trump without using Obama and Clintons to do it.....they can't even start a response. But the dems went after the Bush's relentlessly and often needlessly as well.
 

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Do you have alternative facts? Or is that article fake news?

Boomer read The Hill piece I linked to earlier in this thread then come back and post how that is the same set of facts on this story that the Washington Post laid out.

The Hill's piece suggests violations of Law and compromising of our National security along with bribery and racketeering. Any mention of any of that in the Washington Post piece?

Read it again then read the Hill piece and ask yourself why all of that information was left out of the WaPo reporter's piece?
 
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Nothing administrator special about what I did. I copy/pasted it, and put your quote tags around it. Simmer down Knox.
 

atlkvb

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Let me tell you how this will all go down. The GOP controlled Congress will conduct their 53rd, 54th, 56th, and 57th investigation in all things Clinton. The wingnuts on the committee will make a big show, point fingers, convey conspiracy theories, rumor and innuendo. Then the experts will start testifying. Then there will be no evidence presented to implicate Clinton(s). And the investigation will end with no charges. Then the wingnuts will go to Fox News, ignoring the facts, and continue to claim HC is evil and Bill is the devil incarnate. How do I know this will happen? Because that's the exact result of the first 52 investigations. You people are obsessed.

Trump will be exonerated by Mueller because there is no evidence of collusion with Russians to steal the election and you and the Left will insist it still happened but Trump was clever enough to hide it from Mueller and throw him off the trail using Hillary's phony fund raising story as a diversion.

You all are obssessed with destroying him and trying to prove his election was fraudulent.
 
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Trump will be exonerated by Mueller because there is no evidence of collusion with Russians to steal the election and you and the Left will insist it still happened but Trump was clever enough to hide it from Mueller and throw him off the trial using Hillary's phony fund raising story as a diversion.

You all are obssessed with destroying him and trying to prove his election was fraudulent.
I think maybe PUTIN was smart enough to cover hard evidence. Personally, I’ll wait until the findings to make my decision about the findings.