No one likes being wrong. Few can admit it. But you Trump supporters got to have some...
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Why? Material evidence that has been made public so far much more points to DNS/Hillary/Podesta/Fusion/Manifort than anyone else in Trump campaign.
And Trump isn't my life anyways. Pence would be better. But still not ideal.
Based on Manafort being indicted for **** that occurred prior to his time with the campaign? Ok. With the likely pivot to Podesta Group now, I think we see the next chapter.
I was thinking about this scenario tonight. Mueller grabs some from both sides Manafort/Podesta and calls it a day. Both sides are happy that a couple of fish were caught but nobody went home with the trophy. Just the nature of big game fishing.
However, if Mueller does start digging into Podesta, a lot of fruit can fall from that tree.
Here is the link to the indictment, feel free to go through and pick out all of the campaign related items and post them for us:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000
I think the SC office indicated that Papadopoulos was a small part of a much larger investigation. I don’t think that indicates he’s finished and just throwing haymakers here. I think this is a lead punch, make sure you don’t underestimate what gets thrown next. I could be wrong though, Mueller is doing a good job not revealing his game plan.
I’ll admit the Popodopolous thing was new, but everyone knew Manafort was going to be indicted when it was discussed seemingly a month ago. I didn’t realize they were going to have as little as they actually have on him.
Lead jabs usually don’t have much stank on them. Maybe Mueller isn’t a very good prosecutor.....maybe he is.......only time will tell I think.
Any of the board leftists, I posted the link to the indictment, please review it before discussing further. I’d like to understand where Russia and collusion fits in to what he was indicted for.
A 31-page and 12 count indictment. [laughing]
The Scheme
14. Between in or around 2008 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the
District of Columbia and elsewhere, MANAFORT and GATES devised and intended to devise,
and executed and attempted to execute, a scheme and arti?ce to defraud, and to obtain money and
property by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations, and promises from the United
States, banks, and other ?nancial institutions. As part of the scheme, MANAFORT and GATES
repeatedly provided false information to ?nancial bookkeepers, tax accountants, and legal counsel,
among others.
Give it up man. Out of sympathy for you, you look like a total moron. You should take a break.
I wasn’t aware this was related to the campaign. Please show me how it connects.
Sounds like you just want to win. Geez, patience probably isn’t a strong suit for you?
I think you’re just now starting to realize there isn’t a connection in what he was charged with to the campaign and/or collusion. It’s beginning to sink in.
The hope here is to parlay this into him flipping. Since he plead not guilty and will be fighting this, it’s not looking like he is going to roll. Keep digging, maybe they find something, but where we currently are, isn’t it.
Win what? We had an liberal circle jerk on here yesterday because the proof of corruption within Trumps campaign was exposed. I posted the indictments, show that connection. What I read in all 31 pages was not connected to Trump, his campaign, hell, it barely connected to Russia.
Seriously, this is an act right? You can't be this stupid.
Setting up and having meetings with Russians with an e-mail chain documenting it. Coupled with receiving money from Russia....trying to hide the whole thing, lying about meetings and contacts...
[laughing]
I thought you were pretty stupid but you are even dumber than I thought you were.
You poor thing.
You seriously think people decide if they are going to roll or not at their initial plea?
LMAO!
the same with Papadopoulos?
And I remember a #ccj over how Mueller was given a broad scope and it would come back and bite Democrats in the *** on here when he was appointed. That he is to follow ALL crimes he comes across in his investigation, and that meant Lynch, Comey, Rice, and of course Clinton were in trouble. Although none of that had to do with Russia at all. I believe you were sitting in on that circle, whacking just as hard and furious as Paxxx and others. I remember, cause the sight made me want to throw the **** up.
But now.....as JUST THE FIRST CHARGES come in, you are spitting fire trying to make it seem like Mueller is finding nothing, and there is nothing there. Can’t you just let Mueller do his job? Why the incessant desire to use this as proof that there was no collusion?
I doubt Mueller finds anything concrete without someone flipping.....unless your boy is truly as stupid as people on the left believe him to be. Nothing wrong with Mueller pursuing charges when crimes have been committed.
Just remember, papadopoulos is a part of this first step too.
Your little paragraph there isn’t supported by the language of the indictment and charges. You either haven’t read it or you don’t understand what you read.
What makes this case different than the 5 of 6 previous cases since 1966 that have failed? What makes it less challenging? What makes it more challenging? I thought it was interesting that the pretense for the raid on his home was that he lied to the FBI. If that's the case, the FBI has a lot more raids to execute.
My hope is that Mueller is a man of substance. Monday seemed to help confirm that hope
I didn’t say there wasn’t potential collusion. I said the indictment against Manafort doesn’t read that these charges are connected to the campaign, collusion, or Trump. That’s not to say we won’t get more charges at a later date. I’m merely positing that at present, we aren’t there based on the language of the indictment.
The Greek (I’m not writing his fvcking name any more) plead guilty to giving false statements which I will grant is obstruction. The motivation and direction to do so, I will acknowledge could be suspect and stick to the Trump organization. This is a potential win for those seeking impeachment if that connection is able to be established.
And to your other point about the SC potentially going all over the place, right and left, I still maintain that it’s likely. My basis for that is the news yesterday that the Podesta Group is now being investigated by Mueller. Podesta resigned yesterday and they are changing he name of the firm with new leadership.
Cart is WAYYYYYY in front of the horse here. Nobody knows where Mueller is going with this yet. He just kicked the dadgum ball off FFS.
And I bet if Podesta gets charges you will be happy about that move. And I bet you would be throwing shade at the Clinton crime machine, and raging about how the man’s brother being Hillary’s campaign manager indicates how crooked she really is after all....and the charges are proof of the left’s, Hillary’s, and even Obama’s criminal nature.
Yet, Manafort was appointed as Trump’s campaign director. But these charges in no way reflect poorly upon Trump, the right, or even the campaign?
I can't believe you libs are even saying anything about legality after what your demi god maobama did to this country. He tore the constitution into pieces, threw it in the trash, and pissed on it....get over your butt hurt because your queen b was such a loser and poor candidate....have a glass of chardonnay and get a life
We weren’t discussing optics, if we were, I’d acknowledge it. We were discussing the actual applicability of the indictment to the discussion. If you want to talk optics, then yes, major win for you guys seeking impeachment. I can acknowledge that easily.
I won’t do anything with the Podesta thing until that plays out other than say an I told you so in reference to my initial positioning of the SC having the ability to go in all directions.
You are putting a lot of conjecture into what I’m actually stating. I’ll play along however you want to, but again, I like to maintain boundaries of the discussion in order to stay on topic.
And rightly so. I think Manafort was a wounded gazelle that Mueller locked on early. If he’s in fact guilty of a crime, I say Mueller is doing his job well. Is there any campaign related charges? Not from what I saw, but Mueller surely is attempting to apply pressure on the points in which he’s able to....papadopoulos was one as well. I doubt Manafort flips....man looks like he’d sell used cars to the mob. I’m sure the next wounded member of the herd will be taken down soon too.....Flynn?
Agree with all of that.
Thank you for acknowledging what I was originally positioning, that the current indictments aren’t indicative of collusion of the Trump campaign. That’s not to say it won’t get there, but this isn’t the smoking gun some of the mouth breathers on here thought that it was. This is tied to activity prior to the campaign and not related to his campaign activities.
Flynn will likely be next, again, for charges unrelated to the campaign. We already know what those will likely be tied to.
The question remains, will they flip? Is there anything to actually flip on? We don’t know.
The fact that it was a no-knock raid (dangerous and stupid in many cases) shows that it was more about optics with Manafort than what they may find.
He/they lied to the FBI. They falsified IRS documents, etc, etc. You really think they are getting off?
LMAO!
Didn't comey lie to Congress? I think Manafort is probably guilty of money laundering. Hopefully, Mueller continues up the chain and gets Podesta for influence pedaling and then continues up that chain to the clinton Foundation which is guilty of taking money for favorable outcomes for U1. I'm not holding my breath for that. It will be a different prosecutor becasue Mueller was head of the FBI when a lot of this crap was going down and he should have resigned if Holder or Lynch told him to stand down.