So why is the Big 12 looked down upon?

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

All 5 conferences have a team in the top 6.

No conference has fewer teams with losing records than the Big 12. Yes, 10 members to 12 to 14 for the others. And yes, Big 12 has 2 and so does Pac-12, but rest have 3 so it's comparable.

Since non-conference games are included the Power 5 beefs up its overall record with payday games and weaker opponents. All conferences do that.

I don’t see that the Big 12 is any weaker than any other Power 5 conference. Big 12 has 4 in Top 25, too. That’s about on a par for the other 4 conferences.

The Big 12 seems to be penalized more because its members beat up on each other. If Ohio State loses and finishes 3rd in the Big 10, it still gets into the national playoffs. Do you think TCU or WVU, if either finished 3rd in the Big 12, would get into the national playoffs?

There seems to be a mental "memo" out there to give the Big 12 teams less credit than teams from the other conferences.

WVU, for example, probably would finish higher in the Big 10 West or the Pac-12 South than it will in the Big 12.

As Yul Brynner said in "The King and I": It's a puzzlement.


BIG 12

Kansas 1-4

Baylor 0-5


SEC

Missouri 1-4

Arkansas 2-3

Mississippi 2-3


ACC

Boston College 2-4

Pitt 2-4

North Carolina 1-5


BIG 10

Rutgers 1-4

Illinois 2-3

Northwestern 2-3


PAC-12

Oregon State 1-5

Arizona State 2-3

 

[Orlaco]

Didn’t looking down on the Big 12 start with a former sports writer ?

It’s not the Big East and all....



Before you start dicking on me history has shown that some allies come dressed in black.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Didn’t looking down on the Big 12 start with a former sports writer ?

It’s not the Big East and all....

Facts, not opinions. Opinions are what others use to keep down the Big 12 when the numbers don't justify it.

 

[Orlaco]

Facts, not opinions. Opinions are what others use to keep down the Big 12 when the numbers don't justify it.

K.. ..thx for backing my post.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

K.. ..thx for backing my post.

Thanks. I think you're a nice guy. If I'm what you say I am, is that a compliment? That's the way I meant it. Big 12 is on a par with the other Power 5 conferences. No one is on a par with Alabama, obviously. But Alabama isn't the only school in the SEC.

 

[Bronco-eer]

Start with only having 10 teams. That's the problem. It is easier to go thru the conference schedule undefeated when you have more teams. You won't even see some teams for years. The set up now makes it almost impossible for a team to go undefeated. Lose one and you're done. Most years the B12 top two will have one or tow losses. With 12-14 teams, most years you will have one or two teams with zero or one loss. It will happen one day, but not may two loss teams are going to make the playoffs.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Start with only having 10 teams. That's the problem. It is easier to go thru the conference schedule undefeated when you have more teams. You won't even see some teams for years. The set up now makes it almost impossible for a team to go undefeated. Lose one and you're done. Most years the B12 top two will have one or tow losses. With 12-14 teams, most years you will have one or two teams with zero or one loss. It will happen one day, but not may two loss teams are going to make the playoffs.

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Excellent point. Iowa got into the Big 10 title game a few years back because of which teams it DID NOT play. Penn State and Wisconsin played for the Big 10 title last year but Ohio State got the national playoff spot. In SEC, if you don't have to play Alabama your chances of getting into the title game are much better. The Big 12 does it right by having everyone play everyone and then gets penalized for it. That's an injustice.

 

[Bronco-eer]

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Excellent point. Iowa got into the Big 10 title game a few years back because of which teams it DID NOT play. Penn State and Wisconsin played for the Big 10 title last year but Ohio State got the national playoff spot. In SEC, if you don't have to play Alabama your chances of getting into the title game are much better. The Big 12 does it right by having everyone play everyone and then gets penalized for it. That's an injustice.

So are they really doing it right? Ten team conferences are a thing of the past. Even the conference championship game this year does't make a lot of sense. Every conference has bad teams and good teams, the big difference is the B12 is only conference that plays everyone and hurts its own chances. Bowls are nice, but the playoffs are the only thing that really matter. The B12 made a mistake staying at ten teams and for some reason refuses to fix it. The were probably thinking that Texas and Oklahoma would always finish top 2. Invite Uconn, invite Cincinnati, who cares who it is, just get to 12 teams.

 

[spartansstink]

The Big XII is looked down upon because at the moment they don't have a dominant team. Last year, Oklahoma dominated the conference and got in. The SEC has Bama, the ACC has Clemson, the Big 10 looks like Penn State. Its now up to the Big 12 and the PAC to determine who the other guy will be.

Yet, if Bama falls, Georgia likely takes their spot (or another). If Clemson loses, the ACC has nobody else that passes the eye test. Same with Penn State. Same with TCU and the Big 12. The PAC has a couple of teams right now that could be there but if they lose fall right out of the discussion.

So, everyone other than the SEC really has a win them all mentality. It will all sort itself out by December.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Start with only having 10 teams. That's the problem. It is easier to go thru the conference schedule undefeated when you have more teams. You won't even see some teams for years. The set up now makes it almost impossible for a team to go undefeated. Lose one and you're done. Most years the B12 top two will have one or tow losses. With 12-14 teams, most years you will have one or two teams with zero or one loss. It will happen one day, but not may two loss teams are going to make the playoffs.

Low IQ post filled with excuses. You're way better than this. I like your posts but this one sucks. Dude Oklahoma runs big dick over the Big12 and they lost twice last year and just lost to F'n Iowa State. The Big12 pays in a bunch of hick towns that no one gives a crap about. Outside of Austin, TX is there another place anyone would consider visiting? Tell me the last year the Big12 had two one loss teams at the end of the year? Get your head in the game. Not to many two loss teams going to make the plays? Name one two loss team that made the final four playoffs? How bout a second team that did? The Big12 sucks in big games and is the league that has missed the playoffs the most along with the crap PAC12. How many playoff wins does the Big12 have? Some of you guys are moronic then you get pissed off at my posts just because I'm right. It's weird on here. BTW I'll be at Iowa St and Texas games. So that's three games for an out-of-towner. How bout the 3-5 jerkoffs in my WVU fan club? You clowns a going to more games than me? Pile on you pathetic morons(not you Bronco).

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Didn’t looking down on the Big 12 start with a former sports writer ?

It’s not the Big East and all....



Before you start dicking on me history has shown that some allies come dressed in black.

Yeah right? The Big12 crushes it in big games! Oklahoma owns the Big12 and ***** themselves every year. The lose to a double digit dog evry year. Now it has to pray this TCU finds a way to run the table just to make the playoffs. This is a simple thing to get if you're not a Big12 homer. The Big12 is a distant 4th or 5th conference until they win games like OU did in Columbus. Until that happens a lot it will continue to be an afterthought nationally. And since the Conference isn't getting the top high school recruits Top 10 victories will be tough to come by out of conference.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Facts, not opinions. Opinions are what others use to keep down the Big 12 when the numbers don't justify it.

LOL at you not dealing with Big12 always shitting the bed.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

LOL at you not dealing with Big12 always shitting the bed.

The same old Big 12 persecution threads. He should stop blaming the outsiders and maybe blame Oklahoma for choking. He could also blame Iowa State for exposing Oklahoma as a fraud.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Oh, to hell with it! I'll just root for my alma mater to win out. That'll make me happy and the rest of this board except the malcontents. Even those who want Alabama to lose get their wish once in a blue moon. I prefer a smile over a frown. Silly me.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Low IQ post filled with excuses. You're way better than this. I like your posts but this one sucks. Dude Oklahoma runs big dick over the Big12 and they lost twice last year and just lost to F'n Iowa State. The Big12 pays in a bunch of hick towns that no one gives a crap about. Outside of Austin, TX is there another place anyone would consider visiting? Tell me the last year the Big12 had two one loss teams at the end of the year? Get your head in the game. Not to many two loss teams going to make the plays? Name one two loss team that made the final four playoffs? How bout a second team that did? The Big12 sucks in big games and is the league that has missed the playoffs the most along with the crap PAC12. How many playoff wins does the Big12 have? Some of you guys are moronic then you get pissed off at my posts just because I'm right. It's weird on here. BTW I'll be at Iowa St and Texas games. So that's three games for an out-of-towner. How bout the 3-5 jerkoffs in my WVU fan club? You clowns a going to more games than me? Pile on you pathetic morons(not you Bronco).

Norman is a great city/town and Ft Worth isn't so bad either. I also really liked Ames when I visited in 2012. If I'm going to a road game, I'd much prefer to visit a college town than a big city that has a college in it.

 

[writeon]

The Pac 12 has an excuse for being so bad. Liberal societies don't raise kids in a way that many will grow up to be tough enough to star in football.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Norman is a great city/town and Ft Worth isn't so bad either. I also really liked Ames when I visited in 2012. If I'm going to a road game, I'd much prefer to visit a college town than a big city that has a college in it.

I get you like those places. But outside of a football game next to a row of bars no one else would want to go to most of the Big12 cities. Can we even call most of them cities? Or are they towns? Outside of a pissing contest my point stands.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

The same old Big 12 persecution threads. He should stop blaming the outsiders and maybe blame Oklahoma for choking. He could also blame Iowa State for exposing Oklahoma as a fraud.

The homers on this site are ridiculous. The National media perception of the Big12 is a shade above the old Big East. If it weren't for Oklahoma and Texas the conference would be gone. For some reason this Big12 Confernce pride thing is rabid at WVU. It's like people here are so insecure about WVUs future they beg for Conference acceptance. The homers can't deal with how lame this confernce is.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Start with only having 10 teams. That's the problem. It is easier to go thru the conference schedule undefeated when you have more teams. You won't even see some teams for years. The set up now makes it almost impossible for a team to go undefeated. Lose one and you're done. Most years the B12 top two will have one or tow losses. With 12-14 teams, most years you will have one or two teams with zero or one loss. It will happen one day, but not may two loss teams are going to make the playoffs.

So watering down the competition is the secret to success? Right!

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

I get you like those places. But outside of a football game next to a row of bars no one else would want to go to most of the Big12 cities. Can we even call most of them cities? Or are they towns? Outside of a pissing contest my point stands.

I like visiting college towns and experiencing the atmosphere of a football game. If I am visiting a large city chances are it is for a different reason other than a football game.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I like visiting college towns and experiencing the atmosphere of a football game. If I am visiting a large city chances are it is for a different reason other than a football game.

That's my point. Most people don't even think of those places unless they are a diehard football guy. People outside of Big12 country don't care about those teams. There aren't casual fans that watch Kansas, KSU, ISU, TCU, TT, Baylor and OSU games. And they wouldn't be caught dead going to most of these places. That's what happened to TCU in year 1!!!! That wasn't an accident they got left out. Chances are all but Texas and OU would be left out if better options were available to comittee. There's a reason why the NFL isn't in Morgantown or Happy Valley. And it has little to do with football. The Super Bowl would sellout in Stillwater and Norman. There's a reason why those places aren't considered. I don't even think about Kansas or Oklahoma unless The Wizard of Oz is on or the Weather Channel is showing an F5 tornado rampaging through
Ponca City, OK

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

The homers on this site are ridiculous. The National media perception of the Big12 is a shade above the old Big East. If it weren't for Oklahoma and Texas the conference would be gone. For some reason this Big12 Confernce pride thing is rabid at WVU. It's like people here are so insecure about WVUs future they beg for Conference acceptance. The homers can't deal with how lame this confernce is.

The majority of the people on this site have never visited half these places in the Big 12. They don't realize how middle of nowhere these places actually are. 8 of the 10 Big 12 schools are mid level power 5 programs that play in relatively small stadiums in comparison to the other power 5 conferences. Outside of Texas no state in the big 12 has a growing population. The only schools that want in to the big 12 are schools that are currently not power 5 members. A good many of the current big 12 members would bolt in a heartbeat if another power 5 conference came calling. I doubt many people on here would be sitting around watching Big 12 football games if wvu wasn't a member. If wvu wasnt a member of the big 12 they would be saying the big 12 sucks. Which is a widely accepted view from members of other power 5 conferences.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

So it's irrelevant that Big 12 teams have beaten Ohio State, Arkansas, Pitt, Arizona State?

OK.


M istakes by special teams + absence of Simms & Long = loss to Virginia Tech, 31-24

O bliterated East Carolina, 56-20

U nhinged Delaware State, 59-16

N ot sharp but beat Kansas, 56-34

T ops statistically but tough loss to TCU, 31-24

A nnihilate Texas Tech

I ncinerate Baylor

N ullify Oklahoma State

E rectile dysfunction Iowa State

E masculate Kansas State

R eam Texas

S hock Oklahoma

 

[topdecktiger]

So it's irrelevant that Big 12 teams have beaten Ohio State, Arkansas, Pitt, Arizona State?

OK.


M istakes by special teams + absence of Simms & Long = loss to Virginia Tech, 31-24

O bliterated East Carolina, 56-20

U nhinged Delaware State, 59-16

N ot sharp but beat Kansas, 56-34

T ops statistically but tough loss to TCU, 31-24

A nnihilate Texas Tech

I ncinerate Baylor

N ullify Oklahoma State

E rectile dysfunction Iowa State

E masculate Kansas State

R eam Texas

S hock Oklahoma

It's not irrelevant. You are just leaving out other factors that are relevant. Here are records for the conferences so far:

Pac 12
vs P5: 6-2 0.750
Overall: 27-7 0.794

Big Ten:
7-5 0.583
32-10 0.762

SEC
5-6 .455
31-7 .816

Big 12
4-6 0.400
20-10 0.667

ACC
5-8 0.385
30-11 0.732

The Pac 12 has the best record vs. P5 teams. The SEC has the best overall record. The Big 12 is 4th vs. P5 and 5th overall.

 

[Bronco-eer]

So watering down the competition is the secret to success? Right!

Its working pretty good for the other conferences, 4-5 ranked teams, 4-5 average teams and 4-5 losing teams. Some conference Champs play one or two ranked teams all year. Six games in and we're playing our third ranked team, with the possibility of playing three more just in regular season. So yeah every conference has its week teams. Florida state feasted on that for many years in acc.

 

[Rootmaster]

gotta love the "watering down" the competition line of thinking. anybody notice San Diego State, Navy, UCF and South Florida this year...all non P5 schools achieving more than the Mountaineers and several members of the Big 12-2=10.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

So it's irrelevant that Big 12 teams have beaten Ohio State, Arkansas, Pitt, Arizona State?

OK.


M istakes by special teams + absence of Simms & Long = loss to Virginia Tech, 31-24

O bliterated East Carolina, 56-20

U nhinged Delaware State, 59-16

N ot sharp but beat Kansas, 56-34

T ops statistically but tough loss to TCU, 31-24

A nnihilate Texas Tech

I ncinerate Baylor

N ullify Oklahoma State

E rectile dysfunction Iowa State

E masculate Kansas State

R eam Texas

S hock Oklahoma

If you could only step outside your box for two minutes you would realize how bad your post is!!! My God man are you actually arguing the strength of the Big12 using wins against Pitt, Arkansas and Arizona State? If you don't delete your post or post that you're trolling the Big12 you official are a dope.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Its working pretty good for the other conferences, 4-5 ranked teams, 4-5 average teams and 4-5 losing teams. Some conference Champs play one or two ranked teams all year. Six games in and we're playing our third ranked team, with the possibility of playing three more just in regular season. So yeah every conference has its week teams. Florida state feasted on that for many years in acc.

The Big Xii could do this now by only playing 8 conference games like the SEC. Yes, even with 14 teams in the conference the SEC only plays 8 conference games on their schedule. Let's play 8 instead of 9, duck OU every year except once every 5 years, and WVU gets in the CCG every 3 years or so and loses to OU. Is that what you want? Let's focus on improving our own house/program and quit spending so much time talking about conferences.