Harvey discussion - evacuation
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I actually think it's a variety of reasons why people stand put, but the biggest is likely due to afraid of leaving their houses, due to looting. I know I would have to give it some thorough thought to leave mine, but at the same time, I would have already thought this through, prior to even an impending storm being known. That's how I'm currently prepared. I have all the must needs readily available to grab in a moment's notice, even if the house were to catch on fire. Stuff like small valuables, cash I keep on hand, and an extra pair of underwear.
I guess some stayed because they had nowhere else to go, but many stayed because by God they were tougher than any ol' storm. I'd just like to ask those who were "advised" to leave, what does anyone think they could save in or around their house by sitting in it while the water rises up to the level of the attic?
When they were calling for 30+ inches of rain, I think I would have packed up a truck and moved my ****. If I had loved ones in that area I would think I'd be there helping to move them. I can't believe how many people that were left for the storm.
Not giving an order to evacuate and telling people not to evacuate are two different things. I didn't see where he told residents to not evacuate.
I rode out Dennis in 05/06 timeframe. Cat 3/4 that made landfall right where my house was. The eye passed right over us. I was without power for about a week, but we all started having block parties to get rid of perishables. It was actually a really awesome week in the sense of community. Everyone came together and just pitched in.
I'm with you. I don't get it. Of course I don't live on the coast, but if I did, I would evacuate any time a hurricane was approaching. Hell, just head inland and take a road trip for a few days. They had plenty of warning. And like I said in another post, there is plenty of blame to go around for not issuing an evacuation order...the governor, the county judge executive, the mayor.
People want to stay and protect their stuff. Hard to evac 6 million people from the Houston area alone. If the death toll is under 15, that would be a blessing. How many would get killed just driving? If engineers had built those levies correctly, Katrina doesn't happen.
I would agree if we weren't talking about the huge numbers. Plus...where were they going to go? I doubt many people had the means to take a road trip for a few days like you and I could do.
1) It's 4.6 million, not 6 million, but there's essentially no difference.
B) They had 3 to 5 days notice. Plenty of time to evacuate in an orderly manner.
3) The death toll is already at 18 and will climb SUBSTANTIALLY.
d) Driving? Really? You want to compare numbers on flood victims to driving? Not even close.
5) It's levees, not levies. Some people pay levies to fund the construction of levees.
vi) Not being properly built had absolutely nothing to do with the NOLA levee failures. They were over-topped. A conscious decision was made in the planning stages regarding the level of protection or return period of the storm to which they were built. IOW, how much protection do you want to pay for?
g) The City of New Orleans (parishes) are back to not properly maintaining the pump stations. They had pump station failure a few weeks ago.
It's not close. Dozens of people died in the evacuation from Hurricane Rita.
Care to provide any argumentative facts or evidence or do you just want to post stupid memes showing your lack of understanding of engineering?
OK? The city of Houston has a different experience. The last hurricane they faced resulted in dozens, DOZENS, of people dying in the evacuation and only 10 from water. Pardon me if I don't fault them for staying.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he told them "don't evacuate" I think it is more along the lines he didn't require mandatory evacuation of the city or portions there in
And unfortunately, and I say this with utmost respect, they will learn this time that a far larger number of deaths will be from drowning than from transportation mishaps, which is the typical result.
There was a tweet I was looking for where they basically said do not listen to the state officials do not evaluate there is no need I can't find it it was probably deleted
First, autocorrect. Second, I distinctly remember NO authorities blaming construction failure as the reason the LEVEES failed or gave way, not that they were overtopped. Typical govt corrutpion in that area was what was stated. The 6 million I used was the figure that was used on TV about the whole surrounding area. If that was wrong, then the authority who was asked about evacuation gave it wrong. You are nitpicking what I said, by the way.
We all engage in second guessing. THere will be people who would stay when asked to leave. People are going to die in traffic mishaps when you try and evacuate that many people. There isn't one way to prevent all deaths from this storm.
I watched one of the news channels and the common theme was that most folks lacked the $$ to evacuate.
I'm sure there were plenty of folks thinking it would be a quick wind/rain event and move on.
I'm sure there were plenty of folks thinking it would be a quick wind/rain event and move on.
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Houston officials are showing signs of frustration after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott urged anyone who can to evacuate before Hurricane Harvey arrives.
Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner on Friday tweeted "please think twice before trying to leave Houston en masse." His plea came shortly after Abbott held a news conference urging Gulf Coast residents to pack up and leave, whether or not their cities are under evacuation orders.
The spokesman of emergency operations in Houston's Harris County was even more direct. Francisco Sanchez tweeted: LOCAL LEADERS KNOW BEST.
No evacuation orders have been issued for Houston. The mixed signals between the Texas governor and local officials are emerging just hours before Harvey is expected to make landfall as a Category 3 storm.
Abbott has repeatedly suggested since Thursday that not enough people are evacuating. But state officials also say they have no count on how many people have actually left their homes.
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In September 2005, vehicles jam the northbound lanes of I-45 heading out of Houston, as the southbound lanes sit empty. Residents were fleeing Hurricane Rita, motivated in part by the recent horrors they'd observed when Katrina hit New Orleans.
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As Hurricane Harvey churned toward the Texas coast, Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner told people to stay put. Don't evacuate, he said. Ride out the storm.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sounded a different note, telling Houstonians that if he were living in the area, he'd head north. "If you have the ability to evacuate and go someplace else for a little while, that would be good."
Local officials, in response, doubled down on their advice: Don't go.
The decision has come under scrutiny. Harvey brought "unprecedented" amounts of rainfall to the region — and more rain is yet to come. Thousands of people have been rescued from floodwaters, and some 30,000 are expected to wind up in shelters. More counties and towns have issued evacuation orders, including a county just southwest of Houston, but the city itself has not.
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Houston officials are showing signs of frustration after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott urged anyone who can to evacuate before Hurricane Harvey arrives.
Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner on Friday tweeted "please think twice before trying to leave Houston en masse." His plea came shortly after Abbott held a news conference urging Gulf Coast residents to pack up and leave, whether or not their cities are under evacuation orders.
The spokesman of emergency operations in Houston's Harris County was even more direct. Francisco Sanchez tweeted: LOCAL LEADERS KNOW BEST.
No evacuation orders have been issued for Houston. The mixed signals between the Texas governor and local officials are emerging just hours before Harvey is expected to make landfall as a Category 3 storm.
Abbott has repeatedly suggested since Thursday that not enough people are evacuating. But state officials also say they have no count on how many people have actually left their homes.
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In September 2005, vehicles jam the northbound lanes of I-45 heading out of Houston, as the southbound lanes sit empty. Residents were fleeing Hurricane Rita, motivated in part by the recent horrors they'd observed when Katrina hit New Orleans.
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As Hurricane Harvey churned toward the Texas coast, Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner told people to stay put. Don't evacuate, he said. Ride out the storm.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sounded a different note, telling Houstonians that if he were living in the area, he'd head north. "If you have the ability to evacuate and go someplace else for a little while, that would be good."
Local officials, in response, doubled down on their advice: Don't go.
The decision has come under scrutiny. Harvey brought "unprecedented" amounts of rainfall to the region — and more rain is yet to come. Thousands of people have been rescued from floodwaters, and some 30,000 are expected to wind up in shelters. More counties and towns have issued evacuation orders, including a county just southwest of Houston, but the city itself has not.
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Think about if you were there, not much or any money, nobody you know in the "safety zone", what would you do? Drive 200 miles and live in your car for 6 months?
India lost 1,000 people from flooding just the other day.......so.........18 or 100 will not match that.
I understand why they stay. Dumb as ****, IMO, but I understand.
And btw, they would be staying in FEMA trailers upon return.
Very easy to understand. After so many false evacuations, just say to hell with it I am not leaving again. I think I will just stay to safeguard my assets.
I am going to wait until the last minute to fall in line with all that traffic. It will thin out near the end and I can make good time. The predicted time of landfall was behind by 12 hours. Or, they said this would be a Cat 1 at most.
We have heard most of the excuses, and you only have to be wrong one time.