Then left has a system for destroying Western civilization

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The founders broke away from the monarch for economic reasons and reasons of self rule.

Slavery was ended thanks in large part to the rise of the Abolitionist movement, which was rooted in religious ideology.

The Bible (and the Qu'ran if we want to be equal about things) condone slavery.
 

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Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Fvcking dim witted ancient minded fvcker

I heard Damascus would be a ruinous heap.

Wild coincidence that with 24,091 miles to choose from, it just so happens that is the exact epicenter of all this.

Lucky guess from thousands of years ago I suppose.
 

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Probably best for you if He doesn't, amirite.

And why is that? If it turned out that Jesus really was God and if it turned out that he really did come back and decided to kick some peoples *** and be nice to other people I'm pretty sure I'd be one of the ones he'd be nice to and you'd be one of the ones whose *** he'd kick.
 

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And why is that? If it turned out that Jesus really was God and if it turned out that he really did come back and decided to kick some peoples *** and be nice to other people I'm pretty sure I'd be one of the ones he'd be nice to and you'd be one of the ones whose *** he'd kick.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Pretty sure a relationship with Yeshua/Jesus is the primary requisite for salvation.

Call it a hunch.
 

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And why is that? If it turned out that Jesus really was God and if it turned out that he really did come back and decided to kick some peoples *** and be nice to other people I'm pretty sure I'd be one of the ones he'd be nice to and you'd be one of the ones whose *** he'd kick.

That's not how it works...at all. No one is "good" enough, that's why we need Salvation from the judgement that we all deserve.
 

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Pretty sure a relationship with Yeshua/Jesus is the primary requisite for salvation.

Call it a hunch.

So an omnipotent omniscient God values whether a person says they "have a relationship" with God over and above how well they treat other human beings? Pretty sure that's not true. Call it a hunch.
 

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So an omnipotent omniscient God values whether a person says they "have a relationship" with God over and above how well they treat other human beings? Pretty sure that's not true. Call it a hunch.

He laid it all out in writing. You should look into it sometime.
 

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So an omnipotent omniscient God values whether a person says they "have a relationship" with God over and above how well they treat other human beings? Pretty sure that's not true. Call it a hunch.

Rejecting God (and the gift he gave us in Christ) and him being the epicenter of every breath we have taken and beat of our heart is righteous and kind?

Seems to be the mindset of a jerk.
 

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Rejecting God (and the gift he gave us in Christ) and him being the epicenter of every breath we have taken and beat of our heart is righteous and kind?

Seems to be the mindset of a jerk.

I don't reject God. I just don't believe God exists. I could be wrong. But there's no point in pretending to believe if I don't believe, now is there?
 

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I don't reject God. I just don't believe God exists. I could be wrong. But there's no point in pretending to believe if I don't believe, now is there?

"I just don't believe God exists. I could be wrong."

Nahhh ... that's not rejecting God at all.
 

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That's a legitimate take. Sometimes corrections aimed at imbalances can create imbalances in time. But lets be careful of backlash from people just looking for opportunities to return to those "good one days". I'm sure there is one or two on here.

I'm triggered. Please don't real talk me.
 

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I seem to remember something like "slaves, obey thy masters" in some book...........

Had absolutely nothing to do with God condoning slavery. It was acknowledgement that slavery (an evil) existed.

Paul urged Christian slaves (in the passage you cited) to continue to obey their earthly (that is, human) masters, even though, by virtue of being Christians (a word I have little use for these days), they were no longer slaves in God's eyes, but free in Christ.

Moreover, Paul told those slaves not just to obey those earthly masters for the sake of avoiding punishment for disobedience, but to obey them sincerely and willingly, as if they were actually serving God, since it was God who had placed their masters in authority over them in this world.

It is part of the separating the wheat from the chaff. There will be MORE slave-masters in this country and they will be dealt with just as the slave-masters in Egypt were ... only this time will wrap it up.
 

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Had absolutely nothing to do with God condoning slavery. It was acknowledgement that slavery (an evil) existed.

Paul urged Christian slaves (in the passage you cited) to continue to obey their earthly (that is, human) masters, even though, by virtue of being Christians (a word I have little use for these days), they were no longer slaves in God's eyes, but free in Christ.

Moreover, Paul told those slaves not just to obey those earthly masters for the sake of avoiding punishment for disobedience, but to obey them sincerely and willingly, as if they were actually serving God, since it was God who had placed their masters in authority over them in this world.

It is part of the separating the wheat from the chaff. There will be MORE slave-masters in this country and they will be dealt with just as the slave-masters in Egypt were ... only this time will wrap it up.

Oh, so it doesn't condone slavery, it just says that the slavemasters are in authority over the slaves because it's God's will. Okay.
 

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Oh, so it doesn't condone slavery, it just says that the slavemasters are in authority over the slaves because it's God's will. Okay.

Yes, and it's also God's will to allow non-believers to continue to disbelieve.

Those, like you, who reject him, have every right to do so.

Free will is an amazing gift.
 

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Oh, so it doesn't condone slavery, it just says that the slavemasters are in authority over the slaves because it's God's will. Okay.

Slavery existed then, not necessarily God's redeeming will, but allowed, created by us humans. The picture painted in the Bible in the Old Testament of a slave/owner is of our relationship to God, and eventually Paul describes it should be our relationship to all others. Nowhere does the Bible say, believer, thou shalt own 10 slaves.

Like I said, you're on your game today, way to go.
 

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Yep, genetics has NOTHING to do with it at all. Nurture over nature, amirite.
Absolutely genetics plays into it. It's not one or the other, it's a combination of many things. However, those who've not been taught how to think and reason due to upbringing fall right in those areas. Nutrition, sleep, exposure to certain things, are all factors. 10 generations of camel fvcking dirt merchants likely won't be as developed as genetically as someone born here.