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Do you support Mueller going beyond the scope of the Collusion angle in his investigation?

In my opinion, I'm on record as stating I don't believe there is any evidence to the collusion allegations, at least as it directly relates to Trump. I pose the question as it relates to the appropriate bounding of the investigation. With the latest news that they've empaneled a GJ, I think that's indicative of not having found sufficient evidence or received sufficient statements from those interviewed thus far. By that, I mean they haven't presently been able to use what they've uncovered if anything at all. With the GJ, the interviews become testimony and perjury now becomes an issue. It's every bit a strategy used during any investigation especially one of this magnitude to compel testimony.

Do you think it's appropriate if they've found no collusion evidence to begin pouring through other facets of Trump's life to find "something"? In my opinion, as I've stated, I definitely think there likely exists something he could be tanked on the financial side of dealings, maybe with Russia, and maybe not. However, if it doesn't relate to collusion, I don't think it's appropriate to go fishing. I wouldn't agree with a fishing expedition on anyone to be honest, that would include the Clintons. I didn't agree with the Ken Starr investigation.

One has to ask themselves what they want. Do you just want him taken down, regardless of what it's for? Or can/could you be satisfied with the collusion angle being put to bed?

Collusion is what he's charged with. If he doesn't look into the dems, then he's definitely a shill. Beyond collusion, if he goes looking at tax returns from 10 eyars ago, he should be fired
 

Boomboom521

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Collusion is what he's charged with. If he doesn't look into the dems, then he's definitely a shill. Beyond collusion, if he goes looking at tax returns from 10 eyars ago, he should be fired
He actually isn't charged with collusion alone. He is charged with investigating the Russian election interference.
 

mneilmont

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Collusion is what he's charged with. If he doesn't look into the dems, then he's definitely a shill. Beyond collusion, if he goes looking at tax returns from 10 eyars ago, he should be fired
Don't be too hasty, my friend. Lets give him a little leeway, say twenty years. Look at Bill and make the rules as you go. Clinton Charities might pick up a couple foreign investors in US Gov Stock. Field day with Hillary. And don't forget Obama, he made his own laws and disregarded Laws on books of the US. Need a good prosecutor from South Carolina with Judge Jeannine on bench.

Let's bargain a little before Trump overlooks his negotiating powers.
 
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It is my wish that every damned one of you screaming for this investigation to continue to receive the same kind of treatment. This is a witch hunt and none of you could withstand an investigation that "goes wherever it takes you". I do trust that none of you are absolutely pure as the white snow.

How would you react when you are being hounded to prove that you are guilty of some infraction. The US government financing and totally no bounds in the search. I have generally been a pretty good boy, but there has not been a decade in my life that I could survive an investigation looking for something to charge me with.

Those who have live thru these type investigations. It is really not a valid investigation. Normally, a person is investigated for an offense. If the outcome is not guilty, the investigation stops. In a witch hunt such as this, the selected investigator gets his breath and initiate another investigation - after Gov money is picked up to finance wherever the investigation takes us to. Clinton was guilty of a bunch of inappropriate activities, and he was found guilty in a perjury case. Lied to a sitting jury. Option was to tell Hillary he had been a bit sexually active outside the house. Hell, that was what they called a perjury trap. Hillary had already broken everything in the WH that she could pick up and throw. That was just on suspicion. Now you are telling him that he must confess before the world - and that crazy woman.

Trump has been thru audit by IRS and came out clean or paid whatever he was assessed and what his team agreed to. Now he has a team of legal beagles who are going to validate all the audited transactions. That team must find something to charge someone with to justify their being. Don't believe that? Then allow the same team to audit ever move or transaction you have made in life. They are out to prove what you are guilty of. They have no interest in your innocence. They have no interest in a fine and restitution. They will only be satisfied with illegal act that receives time.

Dayum!!!

That's 20 lbs of crazy in a 5 lb sack.
 
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MountaineerWV

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Datum!!!

That's 20 lbs of crazy in a 5 lb sack.

What poor Neil doesn't get in his post is that we all may not be "as pure as white snow", but we are also NOT THE PRESIDENT. There are different standards according to your position of power. Sorry, that's just how it is and how it has been. How long did Mr. Trump hold on to the "birther" investigation? If he's saying Trump is scared of what they may find, then keep digging! If you want to "drain the swamp", do we want crooked people running our government? What's he scared of? This is exactly what "draining the swamp" is all about. The PEOPLE taking back DC.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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So far, only one honest person on the left willing to acknowledge they just want him gone. Any investigation is a good investigation.

Ye reap what ye sow.
 
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I wasn't bragging, I was cautioning.

I think in regards to the money, if it relates to the Russians, I'm ok with it. If it doesn't then I'm not.

If they find anything it will relate to the Russians. I have said all along that I believe he (business) has loans there. I would not be surprised if his business dealings have helped launder money. Not sure why Trump went anywhere near Wilber Ross with that guy's ties to dirty Russian money. But he did. As I have said all along, Trump is his own worst enemy. His group of "friends" seem to like the loose capital coming from Russia.
 
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It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Mueller finds that Trump was working with the Kremlin to launder money, loyalists won't care. GOP lawmakers are the only people Trump needs to worry about, if they turn on him....he's done. If Mueller finds something concrete about collusion, loyalists won't care either. Right?

I think you are correct. If GOP lawmakers don't care, it won't matter. Trump will never be indicted personally (and I don't think he should be). What worries me is that if something is found, the 35% of the people who worship him, will follow Hannity and that crowd down the conspiracy theory trail and leave the country more severely divided than today.
 

dave

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Personally, I think his rhetoric is dangerous enough. Added to his horrible destruction of the EPA, and I'm already done.
The destruction of what had become of the EPA was the biggest win for America in our lifetimes.
 

dave

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Sure. That's not over the top or anything Dave, nah.
Its not over the top at all. The EPA was a good idea that went way way way off course and was headed down a path to ruining our economy. It needed its dick cut off and all the sierra club stars that had occupued its offices need fired and slain.
 

Boomboom521

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Its not over the top at all. The EPA was a good idea that went way way way off course and was headed down a path to ruining our economy. It needed its dick cut off and all the sierra club stars that had occupued its offices need fired and slain.
At least your measured in your assessment
 

eerdoc

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Should be no fishing expeditions - I thought this was the US where after the crime you find the man...not find the man then look for a crime.
You are 'right on'. The way Grand Juries and special prosecutors normally operate is to investigate a CRIME not conduct a 'witch hunt' looking for a crime. Mueller and the assistant AG both are LEGALLY BOUND to recuse themselves because of their actual involvement in the actual case and the conflicts of interest which BOTH have.
 

dave

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You are 'right on'. The way Grand Juries and special prosecutors normally operate is to investigate a CRIME not conduct a 'witch hunt' looking for a crime. Mueller and the assistant AG both are LEGALLY BOUND to recuse themselves because of their actual involvement in the actual case and the conflicts of interest which BOTH have.
A grand jury is also used by prosecutors to discern probable cause for a subpeona.
 

MountaineerWV

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You are 'right on'. The way Grand Juries and special prosecutors normally operate is to investigate a CRIME not conduct a 'witch hunt' looking for a crime. Mueller and the assistant AG both are LEGALLY BOUND to recuse themselves because of their actual involvement in the actual case and the conflicts of interest which BOTH have.

Are you saying that there isn't enough "probable cause" to conduct a further investigation? I didn't know that all the evidence had been leaked out to the public. Huh.......shocked......but I'll take your word for it that it's a complete "witch hunt".
 

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Are you saying that there isn't enough "probable cause" to conduct a further investigation? I didn't know that all the evidence had been leaked out to the public. Huh.......shocked......but I'll take your word for it that it's a complete "witch hunt".

As many leaks as there has been? Everything they have is leaked within minutes.
 

Boomboom521

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As many leaks as there has been? Everything they have is leaked within minutes.
I'm not so sure about that. Trump's WH might be leaking like a sinking ship, but that's because there is a massive lack of respect for Trump, imo. Oh....that AND it leaks like a sinking ship cause it IS a sinking ship
 
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So far, only one honest person on the left willing to acknowledge they just want him gone. Any investigation is a good investigation.

Ye reap what ye sow.


Nice deflection. You started the thread with a statement that was so wrong, several people corrected you, used cited sources to do so and now you think this investigation is just about people wanting him gone. Damn, you're catching up to dave in stupidity.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. Trump's WH might be leaking like a sinking ship, but that's because there is a massive lack of respect for Trump, imo. Oh....that AND it leaks like a sinking ship cause it IS a sinking ship

Leaks from DOJ, spooks, and Meuller are not the White House.
 

wvu2007

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I have no idea what you even mean by that. Pretty pathetic response from the owner of a below par IQ if you ask me.......

You have no idea because you have the comprehension of a wooden stick. Remember just a few days ago when I posted about a woman being raped by an immigrant who wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for liberalism?

You didn't reply to that message and say how disgusted you were that a woman was raped.

You didn't reply to discuss why the scum who committed the rape was in our country which lead to the rape.

No you complete dismissed the content of the post and tried to tie conservatives to bestiality?

The only logical conclusion I can come up with for why you would dismiss the rape of a young American woman by someone who doesn't belong in our country is because you are a rapist supporter.
 
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Did you sleep through the Clinton years? Whitewater>Travelgate>Troopergate>Billing recordsgate>Paula Jonesgate>Monicagate

As to the op's question, if the investigation leads to finances as it relates to Trump's Russia dealings, then should Mueller just ignore? If he sees evidence of massive money laundering (which is what I suspect), should he simply say, no biggie? I do doubt he'll pull a Ken Starr and look into Trumplethinskin's ***** grabbing and golden shower affinity. But who knows.
clinton was and is guilty....Trump is innocent.....big difference
 

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Nice deflection. You started the thread with a statement that was so wrong, several people corrected you, used cited sources to do so and now you think this investigation is just about people wanting him gone. Damn, you're catching up to dave in stupidity.
Country, i didn't even respond to your post because of its ignorance and your inability to have critical thought. I know the limits of what Mueller can do, I explained it to your dumb *** when he was first appointed. You didn't educate me with your link, you merely proved your inability to grasp what I was asking and that was for a respondents personal opinion. I get it, the topic hasn't been posed on a media outlet you frequent so you didn't have ready made talking points.

And allow me to point this out as well. Quite a few of the intelligent liberals responded prior to yours. Do you not think they would have pointed out what you tried to instead of addressing the point of the post? Run along Simple Jack.
 

dave

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I'm not so sure about that. Trump's WH might be leaking like a sinking ship, but that's because there is a massive lack of respect for Trump, imo. Oh....that AND it leaks like a sinking ship cause it IS a sinking ship
There are leaks from the mueller investigation all the time.
 

dave

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Nice deflection. You started the thread with a statement that was so wrong, several people corrected you, used cited sources to do so and now you think this investigation is just about people wanting him gone. Damn, you're catching up to dave in stupidity.
I could be incredibly stupid but that would only suggest your own. I have proven your stupidity on numerous occasions. Call me any name you want. I am far superior to you and your reactions prove it.
 
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DvlDog4WVU

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I could be incredibly stupid but that would only suggest your own. I have proven your stupidity on numerous occasions. Call me any name you want. I am far superior to you and your reactions prove it.
Do you think we'll get through the day before captain unoriginality parrots someone else?
 

mneilmont

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What poor Neil doesn't get in his post is that we all may not be "as pure as white snow", but we are also NOT THE PRESIDENT. There are different standards according to your position of power. Sorry, that's just how it is and how it has been. How long did Mr. Trump hold on to the "birther" investigation? If he's saying Trump is scared of what they may find, then keep digging! If you want to "drain the swamp", do we want crooked people running our government? What's he scared of? This is exactly what "draining the swamp" is all about. The PEOPLE taking back DC.
I truly believe you need to do a little research about our Republic and the form of government we have. "different standards according to your position of power" is the opposite of what is displayed on Ellis island. My SC Senator frequently refers to "a blindfolded lady with a set of scales". Interpretation for you, he is speaking of our government not recognizing position of power that you refer to.

And, I do believe that the swamp IS DC, and we need to remove those who possess this power that some have incorrectly assumed. We are understood to be equal. Those in the swamp are giving themselves powers that were not intended. They are there because we chose them to represent us. They were not seated to dictate, but to represent.

And Obama was not intended to be superior. He does have a dubious background and he was given a bye because he was the first black man to be elected POTUS. To wit: His point of origin is not without question. Questions have been raised about birth certificate. Family background is not an open book. Education has never been proven as outstanding except in records that have been made private. Family did not appear to have financial ability to take his route to success. Reportedly not an outstanding scholar as much as screw-up relying heavily on Maryjane. Entered Occidental and did not excel. Transferred to Ivy League after unremarkable record reported at Occidental. Then Harvard Law attaining Law Review. All of this period of life indicates stellar academic record or very healthy financial balance sheet of which neither applied. Academic records were all concealed and finance strength never hailed.

Post grad, he became a world traveler on funds that were not generated thru his efforts. This period of his life could stand some background audit, but because of his resistance to audits and screaming civil rights, the period has not been verified. 40 years into the future, his records will be free for verification. I hope like hell everything can be verified just as reported. I would certainly blush at the thought that we allowed ourselves to be swindled by a fake individual and the system was played so well that we did not require verification.

Of course these are not the total extend of the questions. We have all seen many other questions that we did not require answers.
 

Boomboom521

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I truly believe you need to do a little research about our Republic and the form of government we have. "different standards according to your position of power" is the opposite of what is displayed on Ellis island. My SC Senator frequently refers to "a blindfolded lady with a set of scales". Interpretation for you, he is speaking of our government not recognizing position of power that you refer to.

And, I do believe that the swamp IS DC, and we need to remove those who possess this power that some have incorrectly assumed. We are understood to be equal. Those in the swamp are giving themselves powers that were not intended. They are there because we chose them to represent us. They were not seated to dictate, but to represent.

And Obama was not intended to be superior. He does have a dubious background and he was given a bye because he was the first black man to be elected POTUS. To wit: His point of origin is not without question. Questions have been raised about birth certificate. Family background is not an open book. Education has never been proven as outstanding except in records that have been made private. Family did not appear to have financial ability to take his route to success. Reportedly not an outstanding scholar as much as screw-up relying heavily on Maryjane. Entered Occidental and did not excel. Transferred to Ivy League after unremarkable record reported at Occidental. Then Harvard Law attaining Law Review. All of this period of life indicates stellar academic record or very healthy financial balance sheet of which neither applied. Academic records were all concealed and finance strength never hailed.

Post grad, he became a world traveler on funds that were not generated thru his efforts. This period of his life could stand some background audit, but because of his resistance to audits and screaming civil rights, the period has not been verified. 40 years into the future, his records will be free for verification. I hope like hell everything can be verified just as reported. I would certainly blush at the thought that we allowed ourselves to be swindled by a fake individual and the system was played so well that we did not require verification.

Of course these are not the total extend of the questions. We have all seen many other questions that we did not require answers.
Oh peaches....let it go, focus on the man that is in the oval now
 

dave

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Do you think we'll get through the day before captain unoriginality parrots someone else?
It is good feedback. I never know which rips break his soul until he uses them.
 
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mneilmont

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Oh peaches....let it go, focus on the man that is in the oval now
Snowball, I have no problem focusing on The Donald if you can find honest brokers who only expel facts that are provable. I am the one who requested to stop attempting to make a parallel. Don't pull something out of your *** and demand an explanation. If you want to make charges , bring them forward. Ithink you have told us that your only problem you have with the man is that he has money. If you dislike the principles of the country, go to Canada. I am going to continue absolute respect for those who have been given a chance and then grow it to whatever he can dream. Really have no need for the envy shown by you or anyone else. You seem to have a little bit of smarts. Get off your *** and make the move to be all you can be.
 
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You have no idea because you have the comprehension of a wooden stick. Remember just a few days ago when I posted about a woman being raped by an immigrant who wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for liberalism?

You didn't reply to that message and say how disgusted you were that a woman was raped.

You didn't reply to discuss why the scum who committed the rape was in our country which lead to the rape.

No you complete dismissed the content of the post and tried to tie conservatives to bestiality?

The only logical conclusion I can come up with for why you would dismiss the rape of a young American woman by someone who doesn't belong in our country is because you are a rapist supporter.

Ok sword swallower......in that original post, the writer tied the rape committed by an illegal to liberalism. He didn't condemn the act either, you corn filled piece of crap. You didn't criticize him. Using that same flawed logic, I then tied the Arkansas red neck that was boinking farm animals to conservatism to demonstrate the absurdity of the OP's argument. Too bad that your sorry-*** Gen Y education couldn't grasp my point. Be consistent or GTFO.
 

Boomboom521

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Snowball, I have no problem focusing on The Donald if you can find honest brokers who only expel facts that are provable. I am the one who requested to stop attempting to make a parallel. Don't pull something out of your *** and demand an explanation. If you want to make charges , bring them forward. Ithink you have told us that your only problem you have with the man is that he has money. If you dislike the principles of the country, go to Canada. I am going to continue absolute respect for those who have been given a chance and then grow it to whatever he can dream. Really have no need for the envy shown by you or anyone else. You seem to have a little bit of smarts. Get off your *** and make the move to be all you can be.
I have many problems with the man, peaches. I'm not going to waste time listing them. You have no idea what Mueller knows, what he has, what (if any) charges he will bring, or what (if any) actions Trump has taken that are in contrast to the spirit of our democracy. You just wub you some Trump, no matter what, the man has money - oh soooo much money - and he knows how to talk tough, and so peaches is in wub.
 

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I have many problems with the man, peaches. I'm not going to waste time listing them. You have no idea what Mueller knows, what he has, what (if any) charges he will bring, or what (if any) actions Trump has taken that are in contrast to the spirit of our democracy. You just wub you some Trump, no matter what, the man has money - oh soooo much money - and he knows how to talk tough, and so peaches is in wub.
Such a ***** farce. The Donald cannot fulfill your cry-baby whims. You stupid *******, you tell me to focus on the man in the WH now. Then you are emphatic that I know nothing about what Mueller knows, and that is correct. But you go all ape **** about the problems you have with while you KNOW nothing about the President except what you have read. You are so ***** stupid that you get all bent out of shape because of the things you read when we all know that the stuff you are buying is mostly crap because they - like you - don't know ****.

You say you don't have time to list things that you dislike about Trump and the next sentence you attempt to tell me something. News for you sonny - you will have much better luck in convincing Trump that you know Jack **** than you will of convincing me of anything you offer on this forum. A thing you should consider, Trump has never read any of your theory and I have. Trump would have no basis for evaluating. I have not been that fortunate. I see your vernacular daily and can tell you are just a basic idiot, sonny boy.

And if you are saying wub as a substitute rub, I can wub my dick a couple time and get a semi for you to use as a pacifier. Don't fear, your mouth is obviously big enough.
 
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Such a ***** farce. The Donald cannot fulfill your cry-baby whims. You stupid *******, you tell me to focus on the man in the WH now. Then you are emphatic that I know nothing about what Mueller knows, and that is correct. But you go all ape **** about the problems you have with while you KNOW nothing about the President except what you have read. You are so ***** stupid that you get all bent out of shape because of the things you read when we all know that the stuff you are buying is mostly crap because they - like you - don't know ****.

You say you don't have time to list things that you dislike about Trump and the next sentence you attempt to tell me something. News for you sonny - you will have much better luck in convincing Trump that you know Jack **** than you will of convincing me of anything you offer on this forum. A thing you should consider, Trump has never read any of your theory and I have. Trump would have no basis for evaluating. I have not been that fortunate. I see your vernacular daily and can tell you are just a basic idiot, sonny boy.

And if you are saying wub as a substitute rub, I can wub my dick a couple time and get a semi for you to use as a pacifier. Don't fear, your mouth is obviously big enough.

I see u have a lot of that whiny libtard you ***** about in you? Are you sure you aren't playing for the wrong team?
 

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Such a ***** farce. The Donald cannot fulfill your cry-baby whims. You stupid *******, you tell me to focus on the man in the WH now. Then you are emphatic that I know nothing about what Mueller knows, and that is correct. But you go all ape **** about the problems you have with while you KNOW nothing about the President except what you have read. You are so ***** stupid that you get all bent out of shape because of the things you read when we all know that the stuff you are buying is mostly crap because they - like you - don't know ****.

You say you don't have time to list things that you dislike about Trump and the next sentence you attempt to tell me something. News for you sonny - you will have much better luck in convincing Trump that you know Jack **** than you will of convincing me of anything you offer on this forum. A thing you should consider, Trump has never read any of your theory and I have. Trump would have no basis for evaluating. I have not been that fortunate. I see your vernacular daily and can tell you are just a basic idiot, sonny boy.

And if you are saying wub as a substitute rub, I can wub my dick a couple time and get a semi for you to use as a pacifier. Don't fear, your mouth is obviously big enough.
Oh peaches