Trump Tower is not Obama's first Rodeo

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Here is a fairly comprehensive list of his many other "targets" for surveillance and/or wiretapping


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...te-list-of-victims-from-obamas-many-wiretaps/
Are you that stupid? Every one of those instances was the NSA monitoring foreign govts or international organizations. It is in our national security interests to do so. Always has been and we've been doing it forever. It was Obama's responsibility to do so. If Trump didn't want his calls monitored, he and his minions shouldn't have been in bed with the Ruskies.
 

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Are you that stupid? Every one of those instances was the NSA monitoring foreign govts or international organizations. It is in our national security interests to do so. Always has been and we've been doing it forever. It was Obama's responsibility to do so. If Trump didn't want his calls monitored, he and his minions shouldn't have been in bed with the Ruskies.

Are you stupid RPJ? You guys on the Left first insisted there was no "wiretapping" of Trump, and you squealed like stuck pigs for Trump ever suggesting it was Obama behind it!

Now all of a sudden you admit Obama does wiretap (including Trump) and he's found evidence of Trump's collusion with the Russians. (where's THAT evidence RPJ)?

You can't even keep your lies straight, just like the Media can't keep its own reporting of it straight.

This is the onset of dementia my friend.
 
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Are you stupid RPJ? You guys on the Left first insisted there was no "wiretapping" of Trump, and you squealed like stuck pigs for Trump ever suggesting it was Obama behind it!

Now all of a sudden you admit Obama does wiretap (including Trump) and he's found evidence of Trump's collusion with the Russians. (where's THAT evidence RPJ)?

You can't even keep your lies straight, just like the Media can't keep its own reporting of it straight.

This is the onset of dementia my friend.
I'm not admitting anything. I don't know what was done. But I know it is perfectly legal for US intel agencies to monitor foreign govts. It's what they do. If in the process of monitoring the Russians, and the Russians talk to the Trumps, then those convos will be monitored. What's so hard to understand about that? You think we haven't been monitoring the Russian embassy and their staff in DC for the past 75 years? You are not very bright.
 

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lol. Great. The GOP has both houses and the WH. Should be easy to throw Obama in jail since he so obvi broke the law. Slam dunk.

Not ready to say he goes to jail over this, but whoever leaked that classified data that was collected might.

No way he didn't know what was going on, which flies in the face of Leftist denials of his involvement.
 

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So you actually think Obama had his own Nixonesque "plumbers" that he hired to spy on Trump? You are as insane as he is.
Unfortunately, you don't need "plumbers" like Nixon had, the NSA and several other alphabet agencies can do it without leaving their own building. The CIA can now make it look like the Russians hacked your info.
 

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Not ready to say he goes to jail over this, but whoever leaked that classified data that was collected might.

No way he didn't know what was going on, which flies in the face of Leftist denials of his involvement.
Nope. He clearly illegally tapped wires. What kind of weak, sad leader would let him walk? That sets a horrible precedent going forward.
 

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Not ready to say he goes to jail over this, but whoever leaked that classified data that was collected might.

No way he didn't know what was going on, which flies in the face of Leftist denials of his involvement.
He knew Trump was in contact with the Russkis! Who ******* cares what you morons wanna spin, Trump ain't fighting Obama he is fighting his own intelligence agencies, if he wants to find out what was up someone should tell him he doesn't need for Congress to find the facts for his assertion he could ask the Intelligence community he is supposed to control. Takes a special kind of Conservative to freakout the liberal hippies in the CIA, FBI and NSA, lol. Smooth transition, no problems per Trumpski.
 

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Nope. He clearly illegally tapped wires. What kind of weak, sad leader would let him walk? That sets a horrible precedent going forward.

They'd have to prove his direct involvement. Not easy to do unless there is a "John Dean" type willing to sing like a Canary.
 

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Trump ain't fighting Obama he is fighting his own intelligence agencies

Trump's fighting Obama's big Government loyalists firmly entrenched in the bureaucracy who don't want him to dismantle their well preserved cocoons.
 

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They'd have to prove his direct involvement. Not easy to do unless there is a "John Dean" type willing to sing like a Canary.
But you said, "Sure, legally. Obama's crowd, not so." Seems open and shut. Obama and his lackeys done been spying on us real Americans for years. Let them hang.
 
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But you said, "Sure, legally. Obama's crowd, not so." Seems open and shut. Obama and his lackeys done been spying on us real Americans for years. Let them hang.
He is a typical Trump supporter. Facts no longer matter. Only thing that does is what comes out of Trumps tweets. People have lost their minds. The guy is dangerous. And they support him. Crazy times.
 

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But you said, "Sure, legally. Obama's crowd, not so." Seems open and shut. Obama and his lackeys done been spying on us real Americans for years. Let them hang.

Nothing wrong with "spying" per se. But it's illegal if it's done on Americans without a cause. So far, we haven't seen the cause why Obama's DOJ went after Trump...at least not from a criminal aspect.

How they handled the information they gathered on Trump appears to have been criminal.

Big difference.
 

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He is a typical Trump supporter. Facts no longer matter. Only thing that does is what comes out of Trumps tweets. People have lost their minds. The guy is dangerous. And they support him. Crazy times.

RPJ, what has Trump "tweeted" or said throughout this whole affair that's proven to be false?

FISA warrants?

Evidence collected?

Spying?

Leaks?

Investigation?

Surveillance?

What's he been wrong about RPJ?
 

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Kvb, it's believing conspiracy theories like this that got us to where we are.

Agreed ex-pat. I'm willing to wait for the evidence of what the DOJ was up to. If it was Trump cavorting with the Russians, fine. Let's hear it.

If it was simple political muckraking on Trump to discredit him...let's hear that too.

I'm not suggesting Obama was up to nefarious objectives, but why was intelligence that apparently was being gathered on Trump constantly being leaked out before any conclusions were reached?

Does that not smack of a "conspiracy" to you ex-pat? What were they (leakers) up to?

Let's find out.
 

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RPJ, what has Trump "tweeted" or said throughout this whole affair that's proven to be false?

FISA warrants?

Evidence collected?

Spying?

Leaks?

Investigation?

Surveillance?

What's he been wrong about RPJ?
So far.....all of it? But I'm down, let's have both houses investigate this **** thoroughly. Like check Trump's taxes thoroughly.
 

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You're saying all of Trump's tweets about being "spied on", "leaked on" the FISA warrants...all of it is false Coop?

OK.
I'm not sure that's what he said. He ranted over and over about that bad (sick) homie Obama tapping his wires. I don't see your quoted words anywhere in his tweets. So....yeah - all of it. He can pretty easily prove himself right and me wrong though.
 

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Like check Trump's taxes thoroughly.

Trump's taxes are not part of the investigation Coop. This was another one of my "way out wacky" predictions that I posted yesterday. Once evidence of Trump being spied on didn't produce any hard evidence of collusion with the Russians, the Left would then try to say he buried the investigation because he didn't want anyone looking into his taxes.

I'm looking more and more prophetic and this is only after 1 day of making my "way out wacky" predictions!
 

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Trump's taxes are not part of the investigation Coop. This was another one of my "way out wacky" predictions that I posted yesterday. Once evidence of Trump being spied on didn't produce any hard evidence of collusion with the Russians, the Left would then try to say he buried the investigation because he didn't want anyone looking into his taxes.

I'm looking more and more prophetic and this is only after 1 day of making my "way out wacky" predictions!
Leave no stone unturned!
 

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I'm not sure that's what he said. He ranted over and over about that bad (sick) homie Obama tapping his wires. I don't see your quoted words anywhere in his tweets. So....yeah - all of it. He can pretty easily prove himself right and me wrong though.

Coop yesterday virtually everyone on the Left was mocking Trump for his weekend tweet claiming he was being spied on. As the day dragged on it became more and more evident that he was correct.

Now you're saying he made it up? You said everything's he's tweeted has been wrong, so I'm asking what?
 

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[QUOTE="WVUCOOPER, post: 1481163, member: 1468"]Leave no stone unturned![/QUOTE]

Agreed Coop! I'd really like to know who leaked the raw data collected and for what purpose?
 

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Coop yesterday virtually everyone on the Left was mocking Trump for his weekend tweet claiming he was being spied on. As the day dragged on it became more and more evident that he was correct.

Now you're saying he made it up? You said everything's he's tweeted has been wrong, so I'm asking what?
You can't even get his tweets right. Pretty hard to debate when we can't agree on facts. Trump specifically said HIS wires were tapped. Not that he was spied on. Not that there was a FISA warrant. You are just muddying everything.
 

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You can't even get his tweets right. Pretty hard to debate when we can't agree on facts. Trump specifically said HIS wires were tapped. Not that he was spied on. Not that there was a FISA warrant. You are just muddying everything.

Oh good grief Coop. Get a grip.
 

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Are you that stupid? Every one of those instances was the NSA monitoring foreign govts or international organizations. It is in our national security interests to do so. Always has been and we've been doing it forever. It was Obama's responsibility to do so. If Trump didn't want his calls monitored, he and his minions shouldn't have been in bed with the Ruskies.
There is no evidence that anyone was in bed with Russia so why do you keep repeating this lie?
 

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Oh good grief Coop. Get a grip.
We shouldn't deal in fact? Here are his tweets:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account@realDonaldTrump Mar 4
Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account@realDonaldTrump Mar 4
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account@realDonaldTrump Mar 4
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
 

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Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

He was right Coop. Nothing has been found,. His tweet wasn't specifically limited to only "his personal phone wires" he was talking about Trump Tower. What other Tower was there Coop?

Donald J. Trump‏Verified
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Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW

He's right again Coop. It was not legal to spy on him without cause, but releasing the raw data collected was a criminal violation of the FISA statute it was collected under.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account@realDonaldTrump Mar 4
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

Once the congressional investigation is complete, Obama may need a Lawyer Coop. Why were two separate FISA requests issued? By whom? For what? Who released the intercepts? Why?

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account@realDonaldTrump Mar 4
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

Obama's Justice Department was responsible for executing that FISA request Coop. If Obama didn't know about what his own DOJ was up to, he should have known. He had to at least approve of the activity because the DOJ must first seek approval to even request the FISA from the court, and they must have probable cause to get one granted. So what was the cause? What was the request for? Who did the leaking? Why?


Bad examples Coop, Trump was more correct on all of your examples than he was wrong, and you refuse to admit it.
 
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WVUCOOPER

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He's right again Coop. It was not legal to spy on him without cause, but releasing the raw data collected was a criminal violation of the FISA statute it was collected under.



Once the congressional investigation is complete, Obama may need a Lawyer Coop. Why were two separate FISA requests issued? By whom? For what? Who released the intercepts? Why?



Obama's Justice Department was responsible for executing that FISA request Coop. If Obama didn't know about what his own DOJ was up to, he should have known. He had to at least approve of the activity because the DOJ must first seek approval to even request the FISA from the court, and they must have probably cause to get one granted. So what was the cause? What was the request for? Who did the leaking? Why?

Bad examples Coop, Trump was more correct on all of your examples than he was wrong, and you refuse to admit it.
I don't refuse to admit it, I haven't seen any evidence that Obama (or his DOJ) tapped his wires. I honestly don't care about the rest of your focus shifting rambling.
 
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There is no evidence that anyone was in bed with Russia so why do you keep repeating this lie?
Right.....Flynn resigns because he lied about his Russian contacts. Sessions, in order to head off being charged with perjury, is now amending his testimony where he lied about his Russian contacts. I'd say that is some evidence of Trump's key advisors being in bed.
 

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I don't refuse to admit it, I haven't seen any evidence that Obama (or his DOJ) tapped his wires. I honestly don't care about the rest of your focus shifting rambling about Trump's effort to distract us.
FIFY
 

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I don't refuse to admit it, I haven't seen any evidence that Obama (or his DOJ) tapped his wires

Well then Coop it really begs the question who requested Trump be placed under surveillance?

If you're suggesting it never happened, then there is nothing else I can say to you.

You're in denial.
 

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Well then Coop it really begs the question who requested Trump be placed under surveillance?

If you're suggesting it never happened, then there is nothing else I can say to you.

You're in denial.
Lucky for us, POTUS can de-classify the FISA warrant(s) for all of us to see! I'm on the edge of my seat.