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dave

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Irrelevant. I know the answer. How many presidential impeachments have there been? Again, irrelevant.
You keep saying stuff like "call a russian intel guy and see what happens" and the answer is that you have no clue what will happen and you keep quoting the Logan Act like there is someone who is an expert on the law but there isn't because it has never been used to convict anyone. The moral of this story is that you are talking out your ***.
 

bornaneer

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February 15, 20174:01 PM ET
A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.The intelligence official who has personally seen the transcripts told Mary Louise they contained "no evidence" of criminal wrongdoing.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.
The official also said there was "absolutely nothing" in the transcripts that suggests Flynn was acting under instructions "or that the trail leads higher."
 
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February 15, 20174:01 PM ET
A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.The intelligence official who has personally seen the transcripts told Mary Louise they contained "no evidence" of criminal wrongdoing.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.
The official also said there was "absolutely nothing" in the transcripts that suggests Flynn was acting under instructions "or that the trail leads higher."

Well there you have it. Case closed. Tell Flynn to get back on the job. No need for further investigation.

Why do you honestly think Flynn resigned? Use your head man.
 

dave

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There has never been this level of stupidity in a previous incoming administration.

"Unpresidented"
I am sure a quip like that makes all the little girls snicker but there is a reason men make you stay in the kitchen.
 

dave

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Well there you have it. Case closed. Tell Flynn to get back on the job. No need for further investigation.

Why do you honestly think Flynn resigned? Use your head man.
This is not using "logic." Instead this is the logical fallacy of "wishful thinking." It is true to you because you want it to be true.
 
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Bump.
Some of you need to take a step back for a moment. You are too close to the forest to see the trees. Why would any presidential campaign be in constant communication with intelligence officials from Russia? Has any prior US presidential campaign ever been in contact with another country leading up to an election, with the exception of Iran when they had hostages?

Still looking for answers, legitimate explanations. You conservatives need to step up your game.
 

dave

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Bump.


Still looking for answers, legitimate explanations. You conservatives need to step up your game.

Apparently so are the people who illegally leaked the contents of an ongoing investigation....

"The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation."

I am sure that you can apply some of that magic logic you often use to tell us.
 

bornaneer

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Well there you have it. Case closed. Tell Flynn to get back on the job. No need for further investigation.

Why do you honestly think Flynn resigned? Use your head man.
He lied to Pence and Trump did it as a first strike to try to minimize the damage. Also Flynn has a history of shooting from the hip.......why do you think Obama fired him.
 

dave

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He lied to Pence and Trump did it as a first strike to try to minimize the damage.
Especially possible if they had already grown to dislike him as was referenced in the story popeer posted earlier. Maybe they thought he was a loose cannon so they used this to end it. That could be wishful thinking as well, but only time will tell.
 
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He lied to Pence and Trump did it as a first strike to try to minimize the damage. Also Flynn has a history of shooting from the hip.......why do you think Obama fired him.

Especially possible if they had already grown to dislike him as was referenced in the story popeer posted earlier. Maybe they thought he was a loose cannon so they used this to end it. That could be wishful thinking as well, but only time will tell.

Really? Because he lied and they disliked him?

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/877962819640
 

dave

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Because they got to hear what was actually on the audio tape.
Even if that were true, that is going to blow up your whole impeach Trump hopes. Sure it is possible but if that is why they fired him they did exactly what they were supposed to do and there would be no "watergate" like cover up.
 
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Even if that were true, that is going to blow up your whole impeach Trump hopes. Sure it is possible but if that is why they fired him they did exactly what they were supposed to do and there would be no "watergate" like cover up.

You keep saying "fired". Didn't he resign?

I am pretty confident Trump will be impeached.
 

dave

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You keep saying "fired". Didn't he resign?

I am pretty confident Trump will be impeached.

You can either be stupid, or obtuse or I guess you could just be both. As far as impeachment, I am shocked that you hope for it.
 
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Bump again.

Bump.

Some of you need to take a step back for a moment. You are too close to the forest to see the trees. Why would any presidential campaign be in constant communication with intelligence officials from Russia? Has any prior US presidential campaign ever been in contact with another country leading up to an election, with the exception of Iran when they had hostages?


Still looking for answers, legitimate explanations. You conservatives need to step up your game.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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You can either be stupid, or obtuse or I guess you could just be both. As far as impeachment, I am shocked that you hope for it.
I guess he is doing better than a lot of the other morons I've heard openly wishing for him to be taken out. Doofus just wants to see him impeached, which isn't going to happen, at least not for this. Remains to be seen if he will sufficiently step on his dick to actually cause it.

I love how everyone keeps pointing to McCain and Lindsy Graham as objective parties in this. It's like they forgot about Trump calling McCain a coward for being captured (truly a despicable thing to refer to McCain as) and Ole "if you wanna kill Isis vote for me" Graham after Trump gave his phone number out on Twitter. I'm sure they both let all of that go.
 

Airport

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I guess he is doing better than a lot of the other morons I've heard openly wishing for him to be taken out. Doofus just wants to see him impeached, which isn't going to happen, at least not for this. Remains to be seen if he will sufficiently step on his dick to actually cause it.

I love how everyone keeps pointing to McCain and Lindsy Graham as objective parties in this. It's like they forgot about Trump calling McCain a coward for being captured (truly a despicable thing to refer to McCain as) and Ole "if you wanna kill Isis vote for me" Graham after Trump gave his phone number out on Twitter. I'm sure they both let all of that go.

If McCain's dad hadn't been an Admiral I doubt he would have ever made flight school. After that, he crashed one jet, deemed his fault and was disciplined for hot dogging it another time. They cleared him in the Forrestal incident where over one hundred twenty five sailors died.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Like I said. *crickets*
Watched some news last night. Man, they have lost perspective and still haven't learned what happened or why in the grand scheme. Attack politics and gotcha politics are having no effect. Everyone that supported him was already immune and fed up with it. Then there are those of us who didn't specifically like him or vote him but are also fed up with the identity gotcha attacks.

Stupid **** like what the NYT article did only further discredits the times and emboldens the base. I hope the Left learns soon so we can move forward otherwise, it's gonna get worse for them.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Watched some news last night. Man, they have lost perspective and still haven't learned what happened or why in the grand scheme. Attack politics and gotcha politics are having no effect. Everyone that supported him was already immune and fed up with it. Then there are those of us who didn't specifically like him or vote him but are also fed up with the identity gotcha attacks.

Stupid **** like what the NYT article did only further discredits the times and emboldens the base. I hope the Left learns soon so we can move forward otherwise, it's gonna get worse for them.
lol
 
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Watched some news last night. Man, they have lost perspective and still haven't learned what happened or why in the grand scheme. Attack politics and gotcha politics are having no effect. Everyone that supported him was already immune and fed up with it. Then there are those of us who didn't specifically like him or vote him but are also fed up with the identity gotcha attacks.

Stupid **** like what the NYT article did only further discredits the times and emboldens the base. I hope the Left learns soon so we can move forward otherwise, it's gonna get worse for them.

You are funny. You pretend to be centrist but it is very clear you are on the extreme right, apparently too ashamed to admit it.

"Then there are those of us who didn't specifically like him" - yet you defend and take up for him. He has attacked and vilified the media, he has attacked the entire judicial branch of government and he has attacked and denigrated the intelligence community.

You are doing the very same thing Trump is doing, attacking main stream media and the courts.
 

WhiteTailEER

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I would think you work for the government where talent isn't required.

You have no idea just how much talent it takes to work in some government positions. I did work in the government for about 3 years, developing complete flight simulators/trainers for the Navy. There was obviously all of the software involved in that, but also a networking infrastructure to roll simulator cockpits into different simulation bays and plug them up and have them work properly, including a full motion simulator that could be used for everything from a V22 to an H60 to an F18.

This could all be tied into a SAF simulator in which friend, foe, and neutral forces could be added into the simulator and behave as they would in combat and produce the same sensor images in RADAR and IR and ESM that they would if they were seen in real life.

At one point we ran a simulation in which the mission computer responsible for flight was in a simulator, and the mission computer for sensors was in an actual aircraft in the shielded hangar the next building over. When the simulated cockpit was flown in the simulation, any signals from the simulation were passed to stimulators in the shielded hangar that would trigger the sensors on the actual aircraft that was over there ... suspended to get weight off wheels so everything would operate properly.

We built another simulator that was made to be portable. It had a columnated mirror display that was unbelievable regarding depth of field. You could be standing right in front of it and it didn't look like you could touch anything, it was amazing. This was actually two different simulators, the one with the display was for flight training and then we had another simulator tied to it just for sensor system training. But everything had to be engineered to be picked up and moved and reassembled easily.

For the simulators that were to remain in the facility ... they could all be networked for distributed simulations so that people could be flying in the same simulation from multiple locations.

All this amazing stuff that our military has doesn't just fall out of the sky. It comes from a lot of very talented government workers and contractors. You have know idea the amount of genius that actually exists in the government ranks.

It takes a lot more talent that it does to scrape plaque off teeth. :)
 

Airport

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You have no idea just how much talent it takes to work in some government positions. I did work in the government for about 3 years, developing complete flight simulators/trainers for the Navy. There was obviously all of the software involved in that, but also a networking infrastructure to roll simulator cockpits into different simulation bays and plug them up and have them work properly, including a full motion simulator that could be used for everything from a V22 to an H60 to an F18.

This could all be tied into a SAF simulator in which friend, foe, and neutral forces could be added into the simulator and behave as they would in combat and produce the same sensor images in RADAR and IR and ESM that they would if they were seen in real life.

At one point we ran a simulation in which the mission computer responsible for flight was in a simulator, and the mission computer for sensors was in an actual aircraft in the shielded hangar the next building over. When the simulated cockpit was flown in the simulation, any signals from the simulation were passed to stimulators in the shielded hangar that would trigger the sensors on the actual aircraft that was over there ... suspended to get weight off wheels so everything would operate properly.

We built another simulator that was made to be portable. It had a columnated mirror display that was unbelievable regarding depth of field. You could be standing right in front of it and it didn't look like you could touch anything, it was amazing. This was actually two different simulators, the one with the display was for flight training and then we had another simulator tied to it just for sensor system training. But everything had to be engineered to be picked up and moved and reassembled easily.

For the simulators that were to remain in the facility ... they could all be networked for distributed simulations so that people could be flying in the same simulation from multiple locations.

All this amazing stuff that our military has doesn't just fall out of the sky. It comes from a lot of very talented government workers and contractors. You have know idea the amount of genius that actually exists in the government ranks.

It takes a lot more talent that it does to scrape plaque off teeth. :)

That should be left up to the company that makes the fighters. Not a govt agency where there is no accountability for cost. But, it was between me and Country. I don't scrape plaque, that's a job for a hygienist.[cheers]
 

TarHeelEer

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You have no idea just how much talent it takes to work in some government positions. I did work in the government for about 3 years, developing complete flight simulators/trainers for the Navy. There was obviously all of the software involved in that, but also a networking infrastructure to roll simulator cockpits into different simulation bays and plug them up and have them work properly, including a full motion simulator that could be used for everything from a V22 to an H60 to an F18.

I see two types of government related work... This type, where highly skilled highly motivated people are required, and then Borg drones that are trying to assimilate the entire country into government work.
 

WhiteTailEER

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I see two types of government related work... This type, where highly skilled highly motivated people are required, and then Borg drones that are trying to assimilate the entire country into government work.

I won't disagree with that at all ... but to make a blanket statement that all government work takes no talent and is like the latter isn't even close to being true.