While there is obviously a contingent of far left "progressive" liberals that are against everything they don't support and lack the common sense to effectively debate, I honestly think most democrats could live with many aspects of the conservative agenda. Several I have talked with have said they find some of Trump's positions to be reflective of their views on immigration, jobs, trade, and Israel. But not a single dem I ever talk to like Donald J. Trump at all. Most would take the ultra conservative Pence over Trump in a heartbeat; no pun intended. It's DJT that more centered dems don't like.
I think the wingnuts have it all wrong
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I am not a Trump fan. As a conservative he was last on my list of 17 candidates. Dead last. However, I voted for him because his policies were better than Hillary's, Imo. Plus, she is so unlikable, untrustworthy and makes me cringe when I hear her speak.
I would prefer an actual conservative to Trump, but my guys all lost. We are where we are. I hope he matures while in office. His thin skin is a big problem. One that Obama shares as well, without the tweeting.
I would prefer an actual conservative to Trump, but my guys all lost. We are where we are. I hope he matures while in office. His thin skin is a big problem. One that Obama shares as well, without the tweeting.
I seriously doubt that (in bold). Climate change is a sacrament on the Left, oppose it, you die! By and large they also regularly despise White Males...especially if they make more than 100,000 dollars a year, they insist on removing the right for American citizens to keep or bear arms and they almost universally refuse to grant any unborn Child human status....they're only Fetuses that deserve to be aborted as long as their Moms don't want 'em.
The right's climate change argument was originally that it does not exist. They then moved the goalpost to 'it exists but not by man'. Their motive was never about trying to find out but rather to squash it. Meanwhile, it does exist and we have tons of data ahowing rising atmospheric CO2 plotted alingside rising industrial emissions, so it's not like the left made this up. But all along, the right has done all they can to bury it. I wonder why that is.
Actually, I agree that most Libs could not live with a conservative agenda. As I have posted, I think the far left has taken over the Dem party. Obama was far left and wanted to fundamentally transform America. This is not Bill Clinton's party any longer. Bernie, Warren, and Ellison are far left and are now the leaders of the party. There are very, very few moderate Dems left. And a moderate Dem could not win the nomination.
I believe they ARE the Democrat party PAX and always have been. They're just not trying to hide it anymore.
Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, George Wallace, J. William Fulbright, Robert Byrd, even Strom Thurmond before he switched parties later in his Life were all Dems...all racists...all segregationists, all bigots, and all were hidden from Americans as Democrats.
Now Republicans are attributed all of those characteristics by the Left, and of course it's only the Left that's "enlightened" on issues of race now right?
They're still trying to hide what most of them have always been...
Hypocrites.
It wasn't called "climate change" until the "global warming" forecasts all proved 100% wrong. Then the Left changed the name. The predictive models haven't changed, they're still dead wrong. But to deny "climate change" makes it harder to disprove. It's like when did you stop beating your Wife?
Agree with all of this about Trump. He is NOT Conservative. Agree on Obama too. He believes his own White House Press Office propaganda.
All we hear is the noise from the far left. Folks like me and my wife are drowned out.
Who moved the "global cooling.. errr, warming , errr.... yeah, climate change!" goalpost?
I was an engineering major from 81-83 until I gave up and switched to accounting. If that is you in the pic, you resemble a guy I had a few classes with during that time.
The far left did when Gore's belief that the oceans would boil failed to materialize. (I am exaggerating about his quote but only a little)
This is utter BS. The climate has been warming since we came out of the little Ice Age. No one disputes that. The climate has always gone through those kinds of cycles.
The warmists first coined the phrase "global warming." Why did they change to to "climate change?" I'll tell you why. It is because the earth stopped warming. And who can deny that the climate changes. It has always changed. And always will.
The question has always been whether man has any role in the very slight warming that has occurred over the last 50 years or so. The skeptics don't believe so. They cite actual data to support their arguments. The global warming models all predicted increasing heat with increasing CO2. That has not happened. In fact, we have had no warming over the past 20 years based on the two best methods we have to measure temperatures, satellites and weather balloons. Ground station measurements have too many variables that affect temperatures (e.g. where they are located, has that location undergone any development like parking lots or buildings).
Since the models have all been wrong and we have had virtually no warming in 20 years, the scientific method states that we need to reexamine the theory. But the warmists don't want to do that. It is not science anymore, it is a religion.
I hope under Trump, we will see grant money flowing for pure science rather than the global warming agenda of Obama. Maybe then we can develop a better understanding of what is really happening.
BTW, rising CO2 alongside rising emissions is meaningless. And I can show you graph after graph of rising CO2 without corresponding warming. That is why the IPCC had to adjust their latest report to scale back the warming claims since warming was not occurring like all the models predicted.
And remember the hacked emails from East Anglia that showed scientists trying to stop the publishing of papers that were skeptical of warming while admitting to using "tricks" as Michael Mann called them to "hide the decline."
They changed the name because: 1) it doesn't effectively encompass all of the issues the climate is facing
And 2) some people (I didn't say idiots there) take it too literally and believe if it's not 60 in Ohio in January.....then it must be a lie.
Gore did claim the Arctic would be ice free by 2013.
Sep 27, 2016 - Former Vice President Al Gore famously predicted in 2008 the Arctic would be ice freewithin five years.
Correct. The right's argument from "isn't happening" to "not that man-made" occurred with the shift from global warming to climate change. The climate is always changing, how Bama can say that without questioning himself, I do not understand.
Do you remember time magazine had us freezing over back in the 70's? Now, we are going to boil over.
There is no such thing as man made climate change. Just another liberal ploy to control what we think and do.
That pic is me, but I was a J-School student. Studied Journalism @WVU with a double minor in Political Science and Communications. Actually didn't graduate.
Went to WVU from 75-78...left to go back home to Buffalo NY for a couple of years when I ran out of $$$$$. Then came back in 1980 and went to my Senior year in 1982. Worked as an intern my Senior year and then was hired as a fully paid News Reporter at WCLG doing afternoon news broadcasts for Mark Russo before I even graduated...got Married to my College sweetheart a year later after my kid was born in Morgantown in early '83... then moved off to Texas, then back to Buffalo, NY... later onto LA and from there settled here in Atlanta after almost 20 years in T-V and Radio News working for some of the largest media corporations in America. Capital Cities/Disney ABC, Gannett News Service NBC, CBS radio and TV, and Fox TV. Got out of the business in the mid 90s because I grew totally disgusted with the bias and shoddy reporting....not what I was taught by Professor(s) Paul Cremer or Robert Ours or Frank Kearns @ the Perley Isaac Reed School of Journalism!
Went into the Auto parts business after broadcast T-V news selling wholesale & retail parts and managing multi million dollar inventories. Been doing that for nearly 20 years now.
I believe my ex-wife's friend was a Terry wimmer from Princeton, WV. I believe he won the Pulitzer and is now back at WVU, I knew terry back then. Did you have class with him?
Here is my issue, there are things changing that are damn concerning. The deterioration of coral reefs and the severe drought facing many areas of the globe are just two examples. But to me, if you really care about the well-being of the earth, you have to look at the effects of population growth and the dwindling supplies of fresh water. We have about 7.5 billion people on earth. In 32 years that number is expected to be 9.7 billion. 11 billion by 2100. Massive population growth is fueling the emissions of CO2, causing the deforestation of South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia, continued extinctions of wildlife, and leading to pockets of severe water shortages. Yes all the far left wants to do is punish capitalists for profiting off of the use of fossil fuels. We have much bigger issues than raising seas and hotter temps in the short term IMO
I have said for the last 30 years that fresh water will be the problem we need to deal with long before anything else ever causes a real problem. Outside of missing a few animals, wildlife extinction has happened before and does not cause a crisis.
Rising CO2 levels, temperature and other things related to it are killing plant and animal life. You can't just say 'the climate is always changing' without trying to understand it further.
No sorry Airport, doesn't ring a bell. Dean Guy Stewart was the Chairman of our department when I studied there. Frank Kearns, who I studied under my Sophomore year was a former Foreign correspondent for CBS News, where he won both a Polk and a Peabody award for excellence in Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Kearns.
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A few points. Rising CO2 does not cause deforestation. In fact, CO2 is required for plant and tree growth. It's their fuel. Sea levels have been rising since we emerged from the Little Ice Age. Again, the degree man is responsible is the big question. Third, warmists have claimed that warming will mean more hurricanes, more unusual weather, more droughts, etc. That has not proven to be the case. In fact, we have far fewer hurricanes than in years past.
Before we destroy fossil fuels and transfer trillions of dollars to third world countries (to keep them from using fossil fuels), let's do a lot more work on global warming and man's role. A lot more.
Agreed. But nothing so catastrophic we can't take care of it without a global tax.
You mean like the polar bears that Al Gore said would be extinct by now. They are flourishing.
Flourishing polar bears - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › News
A new survey of the number of polar bears in Canada's eastern Arctic has revealed that the population is thriving, not declining, because of mankind's ...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/23/a...r-bear-population-booms-grows-30-in-11-years/
If you can't prove it without altering historic temperature records, then find another way. Perhaps it'd be better to address the "other things" more directly than trying what they did.
I'm not on the "man has no effect" platform. However it has not been proven we can actually "change" the climate, or reverse any trends we spot. So much of our weather is affected by factors beyond our control--prevailing winds, axis of the Earth relative to the Sun, Ocean tides, seasonal factors...we can't control or reverse ANY of those and they have far more impact on our climate than anything our human activity causes. So even if we could "change" the climate, it remains to what impact since we are so limited in reversing even its most normal functions, let alone what we do extra to it if anything.
Fine. But also recognize that you probably can't just sweep the following under a rug like Biff is going to do....
Fine. But also recognize that you probably can't just sweep the following under a rug like Biff is going to do....
That's a incredibly much better story right there than trying to tie it to climate and temperature changes.
Fine. But also recognize that you probably can't just sweep the following under a rug like Biff is going to do....
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We currently have a plan to fix this.
If it were just a matter of us following their predictive models, we'd have a better idea on if what we've been up to the last 50 years has worked or is making things worse? Nothing has turned out like they've predicted...not their forecasts of increased warming, or our massive efforts to try and control it or stop it.
Nothing. It's all been wrong and probably a deliberate hoax.
[QUOTE="atlkvb, post: 1414808, member: 2032"Nothing has turned out like they've predicted...not their forecasts of increased warming, or our massive efforts to try and control it or stop it.
Nothing. It's all been wrong and probably a deliberate hoax.[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about...
Nothing. It's all been wrong and probably a deliberate hoax.[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about...
Terry would have been a journalism student from 72-76. he went to work out at the Orange County Register.
WTF are you talking about...
How do you know "man" caused those variables? Doing what?