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WVUBRU

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That isn't what is being referred to as "fake news". It is indeed very bad news reporting and it appears to be untrue. But lets not confuse the two. Fake news is an intentional spreading of a rumor in an outlet that is completely unreliable and intentionally biased. Many of you think MSNBC fits that definition but it doesn't. Again, this appears to be false and piss poor journalism.
 

dave

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. Many of you think MSNBC fits that definition but it doesn't. Again, this appears to be false and piss poor journalism.
Only because you don't want it to fit the definition. How can you call it false journalism and not at the same time call it fake news?
 

WVUBRU

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Only because you don't want it to fit the definition. How can you call it false journalism and not at the same time call it fake news?
The term "fake news" has a special meaning and it isn't being used correctly in the OP which is what I am pointing out.
 

dave

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The term "fake news" has a special meaning and it isn't being used correctly in the OP which is what I am pointing out.
Can someone print a new dictionary with the special key codes for all the words so all us intelligent readers won't be confused by Merriam Webster in the future?
 

WVPATX

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The term "fake news" has a special meaning and it isn't being used correctly in the OP which is what I am pointing out.

Who decides who gets to define fake news? You can use your definition and I will use mine. Not sure who has been annointed the decider of the true definition of fake news or how they got that title.
 

WVUBRU

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Who decides who gets to define fake news? You can use your definition and I will use mine. Not sure who has been annointed the decider of the true definition of fake news or how they got that title.
Do as you wish but bad journalism has been around for years. This relatively new epidmic of "fake news" is something different.
 

WVPATX

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Do as you wish but bad journalism has been around for years. This relatively new epidmic of "fake news" is something different.

There is a difference between bad journalism and agenda driven journalism.
 

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Wait maybe that was the second biggest fake news story
Only because you don't want it to fit the definition. How can you call it false journalism and not at the same time call it fake news?
poor journalism
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I understand the qualifiers of what is termed "fake news". I understand the difference in bad journalism.

What do you call the instance of MSNBC editing the 9/11 tape of the Trayvon Martin incident to make it sound racially charged? That's not poor journalism because it was intentional, it doesn't really qualify as fake news either though I'd argue it was certainty close. What do you call it when MSM intentionally doctors or alters fact to push a specific agenda?
 

WVUBRU

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I understand the qualifiers of what is termed "fake news". I understand the difference in bad journalism.

What do you call the instance of MSNBC editing the 9/11 tape of the Trayvon Martin incident to make it sound racially charged? That's not poor journalism because it was intentional, it doesn't really qualify as fake news either though I'd argue it was certainty close. What do you call it when MSM intentionally doctors or alters fact to push a specific agenda?
I have no idea on the incident you are speaking about. I don't keep insignificant things in my brain. But I will say it is my opinion MSNBC and Fox News both take liberties with news during their non-news programming which dominates both of those networks schedule and will present stories with a slant. In my book, it is called "news analysis" and I have a certain problem with some of it when the editorials is presented as news. From what I can tell, this incident was just poor journalism and reporting. Unfortunately, it happens but I can't tell there was a distinct attempt to mislead so I won't call it "fake news". This is only my opinion; disagree as you wish.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I have no idea on the incident you are speaking about. I don't keep insignificant things in my brain. But I will say it is my opinion MSNBC and Fox News both take liberties with news during their non-news programming which dominates both of those networks schedule and will present stories with a slant. In my book, it is called "news analysis" and I have a certain problem with some of it when the editorials is presented as news. From what I can tell, this incident was just poor journalism and reporting. Unfortunately, it happens but I can't tell there was a distinct attempt to mislead so I won't call it "fake news". This is only my opinion; disagree as you wish.
Considering what a lightning rod of a story the Trayvon Martin story was, I wouldn't exactly call the incident which ignited the media and public outrage over the death as insignificant.

NBC's airing of the 911 call was what brought instant scrutiny from the country onto a case that had been going on for 40+ days with no charges. This instance is what led to pressure from the DOJ, comments from Obama, and cries of institutional racism. It all started from a doctored 911 call by NBC and is created the racial overtones which permeated the entire narrative of the case. It was also THE case which really ignited the racial discussions and set the tone for Furgeson and beyond.

Here is a WaPo article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...3/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html?utm_term=.050b013e4b9c
 

mneilmont

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Considering what a lightning rod of a story the Trayvon Martin story was, I wouldn't exactly call the incident which ignited the media and public outrage over the death as insignificant.

NBC's airing of the 911 call was what brought instant scrutiny from the country onto a case that had been going on for 40+ days with no charges. This instance is what led to pressure from the DOJ, comments from Obama, and cries of institutional racism. It all started from a doctored 911 call by NBC and is created the racial overtones which permeated the entire narrative of the case. It was also THE case which really ignited the racial discussions and set the tone for Furgeson and beyond.

Here is a WaPo article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...3/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html?utm_term=.050b013e4b9c
Slippery when you try to pin him to one thing, isn't he.
 

WVUBRU

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Considering what a lightning rod of a story the Trayvon Martin story was, I wouldn't exactly call the incident which ignited the media and public outrage over the death as insignificant.
The story was a lightning rod. Not what I was commenting on. The incident you are referring to as being some type of an intentional misleading of the public is not something I know.

Reading comprehension.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The story was a lightning rod. Not what I was commenting on. The incident you are referring to as being some type of an intentional misleading of the public is not something I know.

Reading comprehension.
The story only gained national attention BECAUSE of the doctoring done at the hands of NBC.

Despite your condescending reply, we're in agreement on the fake news/poor journalism.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Thanks for noticing I am an ******* (as are you as you were also condenscending) and not whining about it and just moving on with the conversation. Well done.
I guess it would help to point out where I was being condescending, because I certainly wasn't intending to be. I apologize if it came out that way, it really wasn't my intent.
 

WVUBRU

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Considering what a lightning rod of a story the Trayvon Martin story was, I wouldn't exactly call the incident which ignited the media and public outrage over the death as insignificant.
Granted, not as condescending as mine but you totally missed my point and instead of just asking in a different manner, you made a presumption that was incorrect. But just move on. No need to further comment or whine and I certainly don't need an apology even though that was a very gentleman thing to do. Again, well done.
 

WVUBRU

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And not that it matters, my condenscending and snide comment wasn't fully aimed at you but another and bigger jackass that commented in an unneeded manner. So, I too will apologize to you as my arrow wasn't clearly aimed but you felt the full brunt. I'm sorry.
 

WVPATX

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I guess it would help to point out where I was being condescending, because I certainly wasn't intending to be. I apologize if it came out that way, it really wasn't my intent.

I believe that much of what we see in journalism today is not simple bias but truly corruption. Bias is the unintentional slanting Of the news based on an individuals beliefs. Corruption is an intentional slanting of the news to achieve a desired outcome. I call it agenda journalism. Or fake news if you will.

Dan Rather is the perfect example. The NBC false edits of the pictures of George Zimmerman story was an example. The doctored 911 call in the Trayvon Martin story. The fact that the New York Times made up a brand-new term, white Hispanic, is yet another example. The fact that NBC had all of their anchors with her hands in the air demonstrating hands up don't shoot is an example. NBC faking the crash test results for GM was an example. The entire Rolling Stone, Virginia fraternity rape story. And I don't need to tell you all of the lies the media has told about guns over the years. Smaller examples. The media calling anyone who questions global warming a denier as in Holocaust denier. Denier is a pejorative term.
They certainly don't call abortion supporters, baby killers.

There are lots and lots of examples of this kind of agenda journalism or fake news.
 
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