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Trump's bullsh*t: Why his supporters don't care that he's lying

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Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are seen as equally trustworthy by the public, and yet Trump makes false statements almost four times as often than Clinton.

How is this possible?

I study deception and trust and am frequently asked this question, given that fact checkers rate Trump's statements as entirely false 52% of the time compared to Clinton's 12%.

Frankfurt emphasizes that people ******** when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with ******** is perhaps not surprising.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/tec...eception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool
 
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moe said:
Frankfurt emphasizes that people ******** when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with ******** is perhaps not surprising.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/tec...eception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool
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Nothing to see here......It's from CNN of all people.
 
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moe said:
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are seen as equally trustworthy by the public, and yet Trump makes false statements almost four times as often than Clinton.

How is this possible?

I study deception and trust and am frequently asked this question, given that fact checkers rate Trump's statements as entirely false 52% of the time compared to Clinton's 12%.

Frankfurt emphasizes that people ******** when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with ******** is perhaps not surprising.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/tec...eception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool
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Here are the two paragraphs that stood out to me...

For example, Trump has said that he'll build a wall across America and make Mexico pay. If that's ********, Trump doesn't need to care about the feasibility or what the true cost might be -- and neither do his supporters. What's important is the message of stopping illegal immigration. Or when Trump makes false claims about the trade deficit or the unemployment rate, the reality is less important than his supporters' sense that the economy is leaving them behind. When Trump says that crime is up and you'll get shot walking in urban centers, the reality is less important than his message of law and order.

This argument maps nicely onto a recent piece in The Atlantic about Trump and his supporters versus the media: The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.

I'm not a supporter, but that is pretty much how I see it as well. This is why I call it phony or faux outrage. If you are really taking what he says literally, you have bigger issues.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
This argument maps nicely onto a recent piece in The Atlantic about Trump and his supporters versus the media: The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.
I'm not a supporter, but that is pretty much how I see it as well. This is why I call it phony or faux outrage. If you are really taking what he says literally, you have bigger issues.
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Well done......but we both know his detractors have bigger issues........they love the "bit*h" and believe any of the ******** they are fed.
 
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moe said:
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are seen as equally trustworthy by the public, and yet Trump makes false statements almost four times as often than Clinton.

How is this possible?

I study deception and trust and am frequently asked this question, given that fact checkers rate Trump's statements as entirely false 52% of the time compared to Clinton's 12%.

Frankfurt emphasizes that people ******** when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with ******** is perhaps not surprising.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/tec...eception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool
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CNN et. al. fact check a lot of euphemisms. For instance, Did you know Obama and Clinton didn't actually found ISIS? Wow, what a shocker.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
CNN et. al. fact check a lot of euphemisms. For instance, Did you know Obama and Clinton didn't actually found ISIS? Wow, what a shocker.
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Good point of reference. Obviously, anyone with half a brain knows they weren't the founders of ISIS. However, ISIS was able to grab legitimacy because of the power vacuum left with the decisions the Clinton State Dept. and Obama Presidency made. So, while Trump's statement is blatantly false, the point that he made was right on target.
 
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bamaEER said:
This very point distinguishes the difference between Hillary and Trump and is the reason he has zero credibility. He lies about anything and everything. He is a classic bullshitter. Bulshitters make great cab drivers and bartenders because they can often be entertaining. POTUS? NFW.
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Most Presidents are just that. Bullshitters. It's still all personality. Obama didn't win on resume or experience.
 
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Mntneer said:
Most Presidents are just that. Bullshitters. It's still all personality. Obama didn't win on resume or experience.
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Dear god you can't put Obama on the same hemisphere as Trump in this?!? Trump knows more about ISIS than our generals.... McCain is no war hero....are you fvking kidding me?
 
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moe said:
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are seen as equally trustworthy by the public, and yet Trump makes false statements almost four times as often than Clinton.

How is this possible?

I study deception and trust and am frequently asked this question, given that fact checkers rate Trump's statements as entirely false 52% of the time compared to Clinton's 12%.

Frankfurt emphasizes that people ******** when they speak about topics that they are not well-versed in or when the facts don't line up with the overall message. Trump has been upfront about his outsider status and his lack of debate prep and knowledge on government policy. The fact that he responds to complex topics with ******** is perhaps not surprising.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/17/tec...eception/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool
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His lying has no bounds. This weekend he was running around saying there were 650,000 new emails found. Not even close to being true. He is probably off by 620000 at best. He literally fabricates stories or embellishes at every rally. His mouth breathing fans just eat that up.
 
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Dear god you can't put Obama on the same hemisphere as Trump in this?!? Trump knows more about ISIS than our generals.... McCain is no war hero....are you fvking kidding me?
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In 2000 Obama knew NOTHING. He has ZERO executive experience and his ONLY claim to fame was a few years in the Senate. He was as green and niave as they come and should have NEVER come close to beating McCain. It's not about comparing Trump to Obama, it's about pointing out the simple fact that this county doesn't elect Presidents based on resumes. Period.
 
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Original Mountaineer1 said:
His lying has no bounds. This weekend he was running around saying there were 650,000 new emails found. Not even close to being true. He is probably off by 620000 at best. He literally fabricates stories or embellishes at every rally. His mouth breathing fans just eat that up.
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The Wall St Journal reported there were 650k emails on the server. so was he embellishing?
 
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Clinton's ********: Why her supporters don't care that she's lying...

see how that works... and which is more believable...


 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Good point of reference. Obviously, anyone with half a brain knows they weren't the founders of ISIS. However, ISIS was able to grab legitimacy because of the power vacuum left with the decisions the Clinton State Dept. and Obama Presidency made. So, while Trump's statement is blatantly false, the point that he made was right on target.
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Actually no it wasn't.

He was on a radio interview and the interviewer tried to lead him into that exact point. That he didn't literally mean they founded ISIS, but that they created the vacuum that allowed them to flourish.

He didn't agree to that. He doubled down on saying that they literally founded ISIS.

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Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
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You've been big on leadership and particular Obama's lack of it ... isn't the sign of a good leader to make the goals and missions clear? In that vein, shouldn't that leader use words and phrases that are clear and concise without trying to pick out what he really means by it?
 
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WhiteTailEER said:
Actually no it wasn't.

He was on a radio interview and the interviewer tried to lead him into that exact point. That he didn't literally mean they founded ISIS, but that they created the vacuum that allowed them to flourish.

He didn't agree to that. He doubled down on saying that they literally founded ISIS.

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Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
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You've been big on leadership and particular Obama's lack of it ... isn't the sign of a good leader to make the goals and missions clear? In that vein, shouldn't that leader use words and phrases that are clear and concise without trying to pick out what he really means by it?
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It's not what he says, it's what his backers say he meant. Do you know nothing? Idiot.
 
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WhiteTailEER said:
Actually no it wasn't.

He was on a radio interview and the interviewer tried to lead him into that exact point. That he didn't literally mean they founded ISIS, but that they created the vacuum that allowed them to flourish.

He didn't agree to that. He doubled down on saying that they literally founded ISIS.

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Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
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You've been big on leadership and particular Obama's lack of it ... isn't the sign of a good leader to make the goals and missions clear? In that vein, shouldn't that leader use words and phrases that are clear and concise without trying to pick out what he really means by it?
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Understanding his motives, I guess I just have more leeway. He doesn't care that people are going to parse words, it's ridiculous that we do that in society and it all came about with the "depends on what your definition of "is" is". But back to your point about the leadership. I'm sorry, but you'll have to go back and find somewhere that I said I think Trump is going to be a good leader. I think the man is a buffoon, but I think some of the stuff you guys hang onto is taken way out of context or magnified to confirm your hatred of him. I don't pay any attention to the stuff you all are up in arms about. The ISIS comments, the knowing more than the generals, etc. That stuff is all throwaway lines to me. Makes no difference. The McCain comment is the only one that I will forever not forgive and is the chief reason why he won't get my vote. Regardless, I would rather see him win than Hillary. The idea of her winning nauseates me.
 
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dave said:
The Wall St Journal reported there were 650k emails on the server. so was he embellishing?
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Dave, come on. Everyone has been reporting from day 1 that the vast majority of these emails are duplicates from what was already turned over. So Trump stating that there were 650,000 new emails is a lie. But he lies every day. His lies are just smaller and less impactful than hers.
 
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Just like he really wasn't making fun of a reporter with a disability.
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I see you've at least amended your verbiage to make your statement accurate. As it's written, you are correct. He made fun of a reported who had a disability. He did not make fun of the reporter "because" of the disability. Nor did he mock the reporter's disability.

In your mind, I guess you treat people with a disability different? Kind of flies in the face of what most disabled people want, but ok.

Charles Krauthammer is disabled and Trump has been merciless against him, is that wrong as well?
 
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Original Mountaineer1 said:
Dave, come on. Everyone has been reporting from day 1 that the vast majority of these emails are duplicates from what was already turned over. So Trump stating that there were 650,000 new emails is a lie. But he lies every day. His lies are just smaller and less impactful than hers.
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That's great, then the number changes to 625,000 emails.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
That's great, then the number changes to 625,000 emails.
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2/3rds of those are dick pics from Carlos Danger...

"Out of the 650,000 emails found on former congressman Anthony Weiner's laptop, only a small number will likely be related to that case, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation into emails related to the probe of Hillary Clinton's private server told NBC News on Monday."
 
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2/3rds of those are dick pics from Carlos Danger...

"Out of the 650,000 emails found on former congressman Anthony Weiner's laptop, only a small number will likely be related to that case, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation into emails related to the probe of Hillary Clinton's private server told NBC News on Monday."
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Not said....

Unknown number of emails are related to Clinton Foundation case which is currently being investigated as well.
 
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2/3rds of those are dick pics from Carlos Danger...

"Out of the 650,000 emails found on former congressman Anthony Weiner's laptop, only a small number will likely be related to that case, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation into emails related to the probe of Hillary Clinton's private server told NBC News on Monday."
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What's funny is this unsubstantiated crap is going to put Cheatoh in the WH.
 
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Original Mountaineer1 said:
Dave, come on. Everyone has been reporting from day 1 that the vast majority of these emails are duplicates from what was already turned over. So Trump stating that there were 650,000 new emails is a lie. But he lies every day. His lies are just smaller and less impactful than hers.
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Trump was reporting the same thing the WSJ had reported. If you want to call him out for something call him out for something he did wrong.
 
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