Great Job Coach DuH!!!!!
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Nah, not on Holgorsen. It was on our offense, but mainly on our QB. Sure, he had good numbers, but it was his turnovers (one was off the hands of a WR, but throw was behind him), three total, killed us today.
Howard has been lucky all year with some bad throws. Today he wasn't and he hung onto the ball too long which resulted in that fumble they scored off of.
People trying to throw our OL under the bus for today and give congrats to OSU's. Here was the difference....
1. Our QB held on to the ball and constantly "retreated" when the pressure got to him. Hard to make throws doing that.
2. Rudolph looked at his 1st read quickly, then went to read #2, then if that person wasn't open he chucked it out of bounds.
So, it looks and appears that OSU's line "protected" their QB much better when in fact, they were about like us. Just their QB got rid of the ball and played for the next down. Ours tried to make throws or plays that he shouldn't have and resulted in 17 points off turnovers (all his TO's).
1. Our QB held on to the ball and constantly "retreated" when the pressure got to him. Hard to make throws doing that.
2. Rudolph looked at his 1st read quickly, then went to read #2, then if that person wasn't open he chucked it out of bounds.
So, it looks and appears that OSU's line "protected" their QB much better when in fact, they were about like us. Just their QB got rid of the ball and played for the next down. Ours tried to make throws or plays that he shouldn't have and resulted in 17 points off turnovers (all his TO's).
I didn't see much wrong with coaching or game plan. We just didn't make plays. Howard was inaccurate, receivers couldn't get open, Oline looked soft.
I didn't like a couple of the deep ball calls but that's about it. That offensive pass interference call was bull crap and it seemed like it was all down hill after that.
I didn't like a couple of the deep ball calls but that's about it. That offensive pass interference call was bull crap and it seemed like it was all down hill after that.
I see your point, and it is more like a bit of both; but we put no pressure on Rudolph until late 3Q while Skyler scrambled most of the day.
So either the OSU defense was exceptional today or our Oline under achieved.
It will be interesting to see if someone goes back and watches the game again to see Skylar's progressions. I remember one time that he threw directly at the blitz (resulting in the TD for Gibson). But I remember too many times when he never looked to his left or visa versa after reading the blitz from that direction.
He didn't have a good game, but the numbers will show respectable. It was the missed plays that will haunt us. There were a couple of times that we had open guys at the first down markers and he chose another option, one was that crucial INT.
OSU had 1st and goal with 1:40 left in the first half with 3 WV timeouts left. Those 3 TO's never got used. Choosing not to have a possession there was just stupidity on the part of Holgs. Should have had a good opportunuty for at least a FG. Other than that though, OSU just made the plays they needed.
Agreed. Last game he got bailed out on bad throws at least 3 times by either WR (that Durante catch was ridiculous) or the defense missing the pick
That was just an example relevant to the topic at hand. Again you argue against a point by trying to label the one giving the point or trying to draw the conversation to more friendly territory. That being said. Credit where credit is due and good games against YSU and BYU for Howard. KSU game was a disaster and Gibson bailed him out on that big catch which was underthrown. Mizzou game there was a dropped pick and one throw across his body that was dangerous. Howard is playing better than last year which I definitely admit, however he has had the support of a good run game and defense. However, one of his biggest issues that everyone could see was obvious is that Howard makes very costly mistakes (see OSU last year which is eerily similar to the game at hand). He can show flashes of brilliance, but fatal errors have resulted in more bad than the good from those flashes. Again, this year he has improved on that front. However, I see it as he has been lucky in several occasions this season which has made that improvement look bigger than it actual is.
I'm pulling for Howard given he is a Mountaineer and he gives us everything that he has. That's all anyone can ask. Doing that does not mean ignoring obvious deficiencies be they physical or mental.
Pointing out deficiencies is one thing but putting blame on certain individuals for a team loss is shortsighted. His last two games were superb even giving credit to some fantastic catches by his receivers. Team execution was deficient in practically every aspect against osu. Having said this, the team has also recorded a 6-1 record this year with a chance to get to double digit wins. Not many expected this from this overachieving group.
That was terrible clock management at the end of the 1st half but that has always been holgorson's way. The fade pass into the end zone on 3rd down was also a terrible call. We settled for a field goal and anyone with football sense knew we needed a TD at that juncture. He threw away the game not the 1st time its happened not the last.
I blame the coach and the players- you win or lose as a team and to completely excuse the coaches is wrong
Pretty sure Holgs did not fumble inside the 10 yd line AND pretty sure Holgs did not let that pass that should have been caught ricochet off his hands into the waiting hands of the OSU d-back. Those 2 TO's that lead directly to 14 points are not on the coach or the defense & can very easily be argued why we lost the game.
He's made some questionable throws in most of the games. It just hasn't hurt him until this game.
If he continues to make those kind of throws, and he probably will (just need a few per game) the law of averages could very well catch up to him in the 2nd half of the season.
His last game was not superb and even he and Holgorsen said so. He was lucky against TCU.
That said .... I still like our chances at a 9 win regular season.
totally agree ,I was screaming for the timeouts.i thought we had gotten past the time mismanagement
I was not blaming the outcome of this game on Howard. The turning point IS solely on his shoulders as it was his awful fumble that led to the hole WVU could never dig out of. The point of my post however is that Howard has put the ball in position for turnovers more than just against OSU, but the opposing defense didn't capitalize or the WVU WR made a great play. In that sense, he has been lucky and his performance in this game was not a huge departure from his play all year. I'll admit it was his worse game though. Difference was the opposing D capitalized on most of his mistakes while the Mountaineer defense and run game did not play exceedingly well as they had in previous games.
This wasn't on Dana at all. This game was decided by mediocre QB play from Skyler and two horrible turnovers (one on Skyler, one on White) giving them two touchdown drives under 10 yards. Simple as that.
This wasn't like KState last year. Blaming this one on Dana is wrong..
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