The BIG XII is stable enough.

[xgunnx]

Looking at the history of the Big XII. Nebraska, Colorado then Texas A&M with Missouri decide to move on. The question is, the Big XII is so good why leave?

The point I'm making is Texas and OU will never leave because their ego's are too huge to fit any other conference.

 

[bEER_Nation13]

Looking at the history of the Big XII. Nebraska, Colorado then Texas A&M with Missouri decide to move on. The question is, the Big XII is so good why leave?

The point I'm making is Texas and OU will never leave because their ego's are too huge to fit any other conference.

Exactly. No chance they go from being the Pimps to the prostitutes.

Right now, they run the show. If they leave, bye bye to their control and power.

Frank Underwood said it best (for you House of Cards fans like myself), power is greater than money. And they both already get paid a pretty penny. Texas continues to be highest paid university in sports. They have all the power and they get paid pretty nicely. What is the motive to leave? There is zero motive. Absolutely no motive whatsoever. These doom day Nostradomus wannabes are probably the same folks who pretended the world was going to end in 2000, 2012, etc.

Whenever Texas (especially Texas) and Oklahoma start winning again and competing for titles, our conference image will significantly soar. Just a few years ago, the media was dogging on Big 10 because Ohio State and Michigan were pretty bad. Ohio State hired Urban Meyer and became great again, even won a National Championship. Michigan just hired Harbaugh and they are already in the hunt for a National Championship this year. Big 10 image is strong as ever. Big 12's image will do the same when Texas and Oklahoma compete/win championship again. A conference is only as good as the elite powerhouses in their conferences.

When Texas and Oklahoma rise again, this conference will rise again.

 

[Rootmaster]

And the Titantic can't sink...the Edsel is a no miss car...and etc. Got much sand in your ears? lol

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Root, I'm beginning to come around to this point of view as well, about UT & OU standing pat. If they are as ego-maniacal as it appears, and Boren certainly aids in this viewpoint, then there is no room for them in the B1G or SEC.

They probably think they are too big to lower themselves to the level of the ACC, those little schools in the Carolinas, Florida and other coastal back-waters, you know. So they might fit in the PAC, but I'm not sure they want them.

UT & OU may have built themselves such a wonderful island in the Big XII that they can't get off of it.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

Looking at the history of the Big XII. Nebraska, Colorado then Texas A&M with Missouri decide to move on. The question is, the Big XII is so good why leave?

The point I'm making is Texas and OU will never leave because their ego's are too huge to fit any other conference.

Texas and Oklahoma (and WVU as well) want to play for the national championship. What P5 conference provides an easier route to the playoff than the B12?

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

As long as the money for the ACC and P12 do not get very much ahead of the B12 (1 to 4 million) then Texas and Oklahoma will go nowhere.(My opinion only) But we have to have the options available to get the payments close - thus we need to keep our options open. Who knows what the money platform for media rights will be in 24-25. I don't like 10 members buy can certainly live with it.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Texas and Oklahoma (and WVU as well) want to play for the national championship. What P5 conference provides an easier route to the playoff than the B12?

Big10 west, ACC Coastal and the PAC12 to name a few.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

Big10 west, ACC Coastal and the PAC12 to name a few.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you win the Big 10 West, don't you still have to win the Big 10 East champion to win the Big 10 championship?

I guess that slipped your mind.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you win the Big 10 West, don't you still have to win the Big 10 East champion to win the Big 10 championship?

I guess that slipped your mind.

What's up retard? I didn't think I had to spell it out literally but since you are a retard I apologize.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Looking at the history of the Big XII. Nebraska, Colorado then Texas A&M with Missouri decide to move on. The question is, the Big XII is so good why leave?

The point I'm making is Texas and OU will never leave because their ego's are too huge to fit any other conference.

Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri left because of Texas not giving up the TLN and being an ***.

 

[TruWVblu]

Texas and Oklahoma (and WVU as well) want to play for the national championship. What P5 conference provides an easier route to the playoff than the B12?

I agree overall, but take a look at VT's schedule. Their path to the ACC conference championship game is as easy as it gets. I still think the ACC path is easier.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

What's up retard? I didn't think I had to spell it out literally but since you are a retard I apologize.

Your mother didn't think I was retarded. She said I was "gifted".

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

What's up retard? I didn't think I had to spell it out literally but since you are a retard I apologize.

Almost forgot.

Blocked.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Not sure why everyone thinks Texas and OU are an inseparable couple.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Almost forgot.

Blocked.

Thanks!!!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Your mother didn't think I was retarded. She said I was "gifted".

Knee slapper! You're amazing!

 

[Buckaineer]

Texas and Oklahoma (and WVU as well) want to play for the national championship. What P5 conference provides an easier route to the playoff than the B12?

What an odd way of thinking you have. The BIG 12 hasn't had a team go undefeated in regular season conference play since before realignment-- whereas the Big Ten and ACC have.

Not to mention OU has won the conference once I believe--certainly no more than twice, and Texas hasn't come close--yet supposedly its the easiest path to the playoff? What are you smoking.

The BIG 12 has as tough a road to the playoff as anyone--one of the toughest. Since they didn't expand but will play a guaranteed rematch, they may not make the playoff again, while the other conferences like the ACC and Big Ten flourish with a much easier route.

 

[WVU-Brand]

What an odd way of thinking you have. The BIG 12 hasn't had a team go undefeated in regular season conference play since before realignment-- whereas the Big Ten and ACC have.

Not to mention OU has won the conference once I believe--certainly no more than twice, and Texas hasn't come close--yet supposedly its the easiest path to the playoff? What are you smoking.

The BIG 12 has as tough a road to the playoff as anyone--one of the toughest. Since they didn't expand but will play a guaranteed rematch, they may not make the playoff again, while the other conferences like the ACC and Big Ten flourish with a much easier route.

You hit the nail so perfectly on its head. Playing a rematch for your conference championship means that the Big "12" needs on the those teams to be undefeated, and that team to win. Only chance at all for the conference to have a playoff representative.

Bowlsby is really starting to look like an ***.

 

[skygusty_rivals]

You hit the nail so perfectly on its head. Playing a rematch for your conference championship means that the Big "12" needs on the those teams to be undefeated, and that team to win. Only chance at all for the conference to have a playoff representative.

Bowlsby is really starting to look like an ***.

I think you can put the blame on people who agitated for a 13th data point and wanted more money. The presidents voted for this and Boren lead the effort. This year, the BIG12 is guaranteed to have no better than a 1 loss team. If two 1 loss teams played a CCG it would certainly not lessen the chances of the BIG12 having a team in the playoffs this year. I do agree that the BIG12 has probably the most difficult road to the playoffs and the CCG only makes it harder.

 

[Buckaineer]

I think you can put the blame on people who agitated for a 13th data point and wanted more money. The presidents voted for this and Boren lead the effort. This year, the BIG12 is guaranteed to have no better than a 1 loss team. If two 1 loss teams played a CCG it would certainly not lessen the chances of the BIG12 having a team in the playoffs this year. I do agree that the BIG12 has probably the most difficult road to the playoffs and the CCG only makes it harder.

What world do you live in?

In the real world, the playoff committee includes playing in a CCG (the 13th data point) in their determination of who makes the playoff.

The problem though isn't the CCG itself, it is playing it with only 10 teams and playing a round robin schedule so OU and UT can walk in 6 to 8 years.

Its hard enough to go 11-1--even harder to win a rematch. Undefeated hasn't happened yet.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

What an odd way of thinking you have. The BIG 12 hasn't had a team go undefeated in regular season conference play since before realignment-- whereas the Big Ten and ACC have.

Not to mention OU has won the conference once I believe--certainly no more than twice, and Texas hasn't come close--yet supposedly its the easiest path to the playoff? What are you smoking.

The BIG 12 has as tough a road to the playoff as anyone--one of the toughest. Since they didn't expand but will play a guaranteed rematch, they may not make the playoff again, while the other conferences like the ACC and Big Ten flourish with a much easier route.

Major flaw In your thinking Buckhead. You are assuming these Big 12 teams are really good making the road tough. That's where you need to catch up with the rest of the college football world. These Big 12 team just aren't top teams. These teams are solid but not great. So Clemson butt hurts Oklahoma and sends a message that the Big12 sucks and so it must be an easy road to Big 12 title. Seems rational to most. However, apparently people like you can't deal with the fact that the Big 12 is weakest conference. Frankly , to me, outside of a handful of football factories it doesn't matter. Throw the next 30-35 schools in a bucket. They're roughly the same caliber of team. Pitt plays Okie St to last drive. WVU gets handled rather easily. To me these three teams are in the same bucket by end of the year. 6-6 or 8-4. LOL at arguing who is better from different conferences.

 

[Buckaineer]

Major flaw In your thinking Buckhead. You are assuming these Big 12 teams are really good making the road tough. That's where you need to catch up with the rest of the college football world. These Big 12 team just aren't top teams. These teams are solid but not great. So Clemson butt hurts Oklahoma and sends a message that the Big12 sucks and so it must be an easy road to Big 12 title. Seems rational to most. However, apparently people like you can't deal with the fact that the Big 12 is weakest conference. Frankly , to me, outside of a handful of football factories it doesn't matter. Throw the next 30-35 schools in a bucket. They're roughly the same caliber of team. Pitt plays Okie St to last drive. WVU gets handled rather easily. To me these three teams are in the same bucket by end of the year. 6-6 or 8-4. LOL at arguing who is better from different conferences.

Like many non thinkers Jac a$$---you base all of your fallacy on ONE game while ignoring th others.

OU lost to Clemson, but they've also beaten the top ACC club such as FSU home and away. Baylor destroyed ACC #2 UNC last year with no QB -- a team that took Clemson to the wire. Seem to remember WVU crushing that same Clemson team a few seasons back after putting up a historic 70 pts on them. Guess you forgot that?

Every year the SAGARIN SOS of the BIG 12 has been the highest of any complete conference-- much ahead of conferences such as the Big Ten and ACC.

The top teams in the BIG 12 can beat anyone-such as OU beating down Alabama just a few years back or TCU beating a top ten Ole Miss two seasons back.

This year Ou slipped up-- doesn't mean every other team would have had the same results. Pretty sure WVU and Baylor are better than Indiana or Northwestern any day of the week and they pushed TOSU to the brink in Columbus.

Louisvilles claim to fame is beating Charlotte and Marshall- both awful this season-- oh and an FSU incapable of stopping them from scoring 66 pts against them with other losses.

There isn't a team in the ACC that could get through the BIG 12 undefeated.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Like many non thinkers Jac a$$---you base all of your fallacy on ONE game while ignoring th others.

OU lost to Clemson, but they've also beaten the top ACC club such as FSU home and away. Baylor destroyed ACC #2 UNC last year with no QB -- a team that took Clemson to the wire. Seem to remember WVU crushing that same Clemson team a few seasons back after putting up a historic 70 pts on them. Guess you forgot that?

Every year the SAGARIN SOS of the BIG 12 has been the highest of any complete conference-- much ahead of conferences such as the Big Ten and ACC.

The top teams in the BIG 12 can beat anyone-such as OU beating down Alabama just a few years back or TCU beating a top ten Ole Miss two seasons back.

This year Ou slipped up-- doesn't mean every other team would have had the same results. Pretty sure WVU and Baylor are better than Indiana or Northwestern any day of the week and they pushed TOSU to the brink in Columbus.

Louisvilles claim to fame is beating Charlotte and Marshall- both awful this season-- oh and an FSU incapable of stopping them from scoring 66 pts against them with other losses.

There isn't a team in the ACC that could get through the BIG 12 undefeated.

Keep grazing sheep. Big 12 National joke ya fool.

 

[xgunnx]

Provide links to some factual articles that state clearly that the Big XII is a national joke. Don't provide or include "talking heads" and "sports hacks" opinion pieces.

I do agree that the Big XII is in a down year much like other teams/conferences that have down years. Nothing unusual about and it's not a sign of impending BIG XII collapse.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Provide links to some factual articles that state clearly that the Big XII is a national joke. Don't provide or include "talking heads" and "sports hacks" opinion pieces.

I do agree that the Big XII is in a down year much like other teams/conferences that have down years. Nothing unusual about and it's not a sign of impending BIG XII collapse.

The fact that an Oklahoma team got smacked By Ohio State and Houston and is now the highest ranked team in the conference is a strong indication that the Big 12 is a joke.

 

[xgunnx]

The fact that an Oklahoma team got smacked By Ohio State and Houston and is now the highest ranked team in the conference is a strong indication that the Big 12 is a joke.

That's Your Subjective Opinion and not really fact based. Just because a team has this or that loss does not suggest or imply that "the Big 12 is a joke"

 

[GoWVU]

Big10 west, ACC Coastal and the PAC12 to name a few.

I honestly don't mind you trolling all the time, but if you know what you're talking about it helps your game...and when you include the Pac-12 it's a dead giveaway you don't know anything.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

That's Your Subjective Opinion and not really fact based. Just because a team has this or that loss does not suggest or imply that "the Big 12 is a joke"

yes it does

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I honestly don't mind you trolling all the time, but if you know what you're talking about it helps your game...and when you include the Pac-12 it's a dead giveaway you don't know anything.

As in the PAC 12 is good in your opinion? You show up for a coffee break and make a fool of yourself. The PAC 12 is so bad Colorado and Washington St are kicking *** LOL. Washington went from doormat to PAC 12 Juggernaut is no time. Oh PAC 12 is now bitching because doormat to juggernaut got punked in first playoff ranking. Listen bra if you're gonna make a play to be a respected player on this site get your act together. It's fine to disagree but when you play the patronizing and arrogant card deliver something better than that joke play. Do the world a favor and hold your breath underwater for 7 minutes. Then come back and try again.

 

[xgunnx]

yes it does

So by that logic when in 2007 Michigan lost to Appy State that proved the BIG 10 was/is a national joke.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

So by that logic when in 2007 Michigan lost to Appy State that proved the BIG 10 was/is a national joke.

In that case it just proved Michigan sucked and Carr was a bum. In this case there just aren't top 8 teams this year in the Big12

 

[Buckaineer]

To say there are no top eight teams in the BIG 12 is a sign of someone with a psychological problem with the BIG 12.

There are one loss teams in the top eight- at least three.

There are two one loss teams in the BIG 12.

To claim these teams can't compete with any of the teams in the top eight simply is a figment of imagination.

Ohio State struggled with Indiana and Northwestern and was beaten by two loss u ranked PSU

Louisville struggled with Duke and NC State and only beat Marshall and Charlotte OOC

Who has atm beaten?

It's all a popularity contest driven by people promoting certain product and trying to de emphasize another due to an agenda.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Ohio State struggled with Indiana and Northwestern and was beaten by two loss u ranked PSU

Ohio State may have struggled against the teams you mentioned but they did smoke Oklahoma in Norman and since Oklahoma is currently leading the big 12 it doesn't give the committee members allot of confidence in the overall strength of the conference.

 

[Buckaineer]

OU is leading the BIG 12 based only on number of games played. Eventually they'll play evryone and we'll know if they were best, unlike in any of the other conferences.

Meanwhile, if the committee is basing the entire BIG 12 off of one game that one team played, why aren't they basing the entire Big Ten off of the Penn State game Ohio State played? Or The entire SEC view off of the one game AtM got blown out against Alabama?

WVU and Baylor didn't get beaten OOC. Their only loss are in conference for both.

The point isn't that other schools aren't good, it's that BIg 12 schools are artificially ranked low.

One loss WVU at 20 behind schools like 2 loss VT?

Undeniable bias in the system.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The fact that an Oklahoma team got smacked By Ohio State and Houston and is now the highest ranked team in the conference is a strong indication that the Big 12 is a joke.

And said Ohio State lost to a non ranked Penn State. What happened was PSU got bumped up to 12 and Ohio State fell drastically from 3 to 6.

First week OU was rank 3rd and Houston 15th. Week 2 OU dropped to 14th and Houston jumped to 6th.

The only indication is media bias. has nothing to do with Big 12 Sucks.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

And said Ohio State lost to a non ranked Penn State. What happened was PSU got bumped up to 12 and Ohio State fell drastically from 3 to 6.

First week OU was rank 3rd and Houston 15th. Week 2 OU dropped to 14th and Houston jumped to 6th.

The only indication is media bias. has nothing to do with Big 12 Sucks.

The media makes the conference; pure and simple. Remember way back when only the Big 10 seemed to matter? The SEC was hardly on the radar with most considering it a 2 team conference; Bama and UGA/TN. Everybody else was an also-ran. Now granted, the level of play across the board has improved in the SEC, but it is only within the last decade that they became "THE" conference, and most of that is media hype.

The ACC was a joke until they raided the top teams from the Big East.

Nebraska and Oklahoma once dominated CFB; their match up was the game of the year along with Michigan and tOSU. And one of these games more often than not lead to an NC! Occasionally a PAC team would pop up; but only USC or UCLA as the rest were also-rans as well.

Now I'm talking way back here, most of you on this board won't remember some of this, but the nature of CFB is cyclical and teams are up and down. Look at ND this year as an example.

Bottom line is there will be a time when multiple Big Xii teams will be at the top of the CFB rankings early in the season until they start to knock each other off; which is the good and the bad of round-robin play. The other larger conferences can dodge some of the other teams, but you can't in the Big Xii given the current make-up.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

OU is leading the BIG 12 based only on number of games played. Eventually they'll play evryone and we'll know if they were best, unlike in any of the other conferences.

Meanwhile, if the committee is basing the entire BIG 12 off of one game that one team played, why aren't they basing the entire Big Ten off of the Penn State game Ohio State played? Or The entire SEC view off of the one game AtM got blown out against Alabama?

WVU and Baylor didn't get beaten OOC. Their only loss are in conference for both.

The point isn't that other schools aren't good, it's that BIg 12 schools are artificially ranked low.

One loss WVU at 20 behind schools like 2 loss VT?

Undeniable bias in the system.

Or probably they aren't a homer like you Buckinrear and ranked how they thought was appropriate. Dude these Big12 teams can compete with most but if you think WVU is a top 8 team you're a moron. If you think the Big 12 is as good as theses other conferences you're a moron. Just being honest with you.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

And said Ohio State lost to a non ranked Penn State. What happened was PSU got bumped up to 12 and Ohio State fell drastically from 3 to 6.

First week OU was rank 3rd and Houston 15th. Week 2 OU dropped to 14th and Houston jumped to 6th.

The only indication is media bias. has nothing to do with Big 12 Sucks.

Oklahoma is a borderline top 8-10 team. Nothing more.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

The media makes the conference; pure and simple. Remember way back when only the Big 10 seemed to matter? The SEC was hardly on the radar with most considering it a 2 team conference; Bama and UGA/TN. Everybody else was an also-ran. Now granted, the level of play across the board has improved in the SEC, but it is only within the last decade that they became "THE" conference, and most of that is media hype.

The ACC was a joke until they raided the top teams from the Big East.

Nebraska and Oklahoma once dominated CFB; their match up was the game of the year along with Michigan and tOSU. And one of these games more often than not lead to an NC! Occasionally a PAC team would pop up; but only USC or UCLA as the rest were also-rans as well.

Now I'm talking way back here, most of you on this board won't remember some of this, but the nature of CFB is cyclical and teams are up and down. Look at ND this year as an example.

Bottom line is there will be a time when multiple Big Xii teams will be at the top of the CFB rankings early in the season until they start to knock each other off; which is the good and the bad of round-robin play. The other larger conferences can dodge some of the other teams, but you can't in the Big Xii given the current make-up.

You are talking about an era when there were unlimited scholarships and Ohio State, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, USC, UCLA, Penn State sucked up all the good athletes and the rest of the college world were left with the all the 2 and 3 star players.

Then they limited everyone to 105 scholarships, then it went to 95 and now it is at 85. It created a world a parity that we have today.

Take a look at a map and see what the B12 footprint is compared to the SEC, or the B10 or the ACC.