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WVUCOOPER

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He's been fluctuating dramatically for months now. At one point it was higher than 78% for Hillary, then Trump turned it around and tied it up.
Trump hasn't led or been tied since the Mistake by the Lake at the end of July. Clinton's lead has swung up and down, but it's stayed her lead for 65+ days. Watch Westworld on Sunday night, the election's over.
 

Keyser76

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Well if you look at Romneys demographics and the fact that Trump is doing worse than Romney did with just about every minority category, there just aren't enough angry old white people to carry him. Remember when the Adults in the GOP crunched the numbers and decided an outreach to Hispanics and Blacks was necessary? I don't see Trump bringing in many independents either, at least not the intelligent ones. Just saw a letter yesterday somewhere where about 30 former GOP senators and house members declared Trump unfit for the Presidency. What scares me is how he is already convincing the dimmer members of the Trump train that if he loses the election, it was rigged. I have a lot of friends who think they are gonna be storming the gates if Trump loses because they see Yuuuuuge crowds and everyone they know thinks the same. Of course most of them have never left their small town and don't have a clue how many people live in cities where diversity is championed rather than feared. They are all ready to follow Ted Nugent and get slaughtered by Seal Team 6. All joking aside, that is dangerous rhetoric for Trump to throw around because some of his supporters definitely fall on the Alt right side.
 
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Well if you look at Romneys demographics and the fact that Trump is doing worse than Romney did with just about every minority category, there just aren't enough angry old white people to carry him. Remember when the Adults in the GOP crunched the numbers and decided an outreach to Hispanics and Blacks was necessary? I don't see Trump bringing in many independents either, at least not the intelligent ones. Just saw a letter yesterday somewhere where about 30 former GOP senators and house members declared Trump unfit for the Presidency. What scares me is how he is already convincing the dimmer members of the Trump train that if he loses the election, it was rigged. I have a lot of friends who think they are gonna be storming the gates if Trump loses because they see Yuuuuuge crowds and everyone they know thinks the same. Of course most of them have never left their small town and don't have a clue how many people live in cities where diversity is championed rather than feared. They are all ready to follow Ted Nugent and get slaughtered by Seal Team 6. All joking aside, that is dangerous rhetoric for Trump to throw around because some of his supporters definitely fall on the Alt right side.
On the road yesterday, I saw a lady driving a Ford Focus that had a Trump sticker on one side of the rear of the car, a Confederate flag decal on the other, and she was smoking a cigarette with the windows up with a kids with her in the car. To me, it was a symbol of where the GOP is today.
 

WVUCOOPER

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On the road yesterday, I saw a lady driving a Ford Focus that had a Trump sticker on one side of the rear of the car, a Confederate flag decal on the other, and she was smoking a cigarette with the windows up with a kids with her in the car. To me, it was a symbol of where the GOP is today.
White, uneducated and old. There's a lot of them in this country, but not enough to win a national election.
 

WVUBRU

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Unfortunately the voting public is comprised of many uneducated people.
I don't think (but I could be wrong) that this statement didn't come out as you intended. Uneducated individuals have the same rights as educated including the right to vote. It isn't "unfortunate". There are plenty of "educated" individuals that make bad decisions on their political beliefs and voting..

This comment is horrible.
 

Mntneer

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I don't think (but I could be wrong) that this statement didn't come out as you intended. Uneducated individuals have the same rights as educated including the right to vote. It isn't "unfortunate". There are plenty of "educated" individuals that make bad decisions on their political beliefs and voting..

This comment is horrible.

Yes, you are wrong.

Not denying anyone's right to vote, but the lack of knowledge within the voting public is very unfortunate. An article from 2 years ago showed that a vast majority of Americans couldn't even name the 3 branches of government.

I don't deny the number of "educated" people that make bad decisions on their political beliefs and voting. We see that ALL the time. Such as Democrats that are supposedly made up of more "college educated" individuals, yet they still are supporting Hillary Clinton.
 

bornaneer

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Spoken like a true sheeple...there is no good choice for America in this election...no matter how you spin it to make yourself feel better.
Clinton 3.0 is obviously going to be hard for you and your wingnut heroes to stomach. 4 more years of obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.
 

rog1187

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Clinton 3.0 is obviously going to be hard for you and your wingnut heroes to stomach. 4 more years of obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.
Funny how Hillary and Bill will tell you how bad the past 8 years have been...but then want to cling and expand on it. At least Bill knew how to work with the GOP...Obama can't/won't even work with his own party...and we'll be lucky if Hillary can handle the stress of the Presidency on her health, let alone work with anyone.
 

rog1187

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One thing is for certain, you won't see 4 years of leadership or cooperation.
Whether Trump or Hillary wins.
It really is funny how some think one over the other would be better for the US.
 
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One thing is for certain, you won't see 4 years of leadership or cooperation.
Whether Trump or Hillary wins.
Another thing is certain.... those who don't want to be led can't be. Interesting to see Obama's approval at 55% and the GOP-controlled Congress at 13%. It's obvious who the people aren't happy with.
 

Mntneer

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Another thing is certain.... those who don't want to be led can't be. Interesting to see Obama's approval at 55% and the GOP-controlled Congress at 13%. It's obvious who the people aren't happy with.

Approval rating doesn't translate to effectiveness as a leader one single bit.

Approval rating is a popularity poll.

When has Congress ever had an approval rating that approaches what a President gets? Aside from the time around 9/11, Congressional approval rating has been typically low.
 

rog1187

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Another thing is certain.... those who don't want to be led can't be. Interesting to see Obama's approval at 55% and the GOP-controlled Congress at 13%. It's obvious who the people aren't happy with.
LOL [roll]approval ratings...we're touting approval ratings?!?! Good Lord is he running for Jr. High Student Body President or is he (supposed to be) leading the greatest county (even though he doesn't think so) on the planet?
 
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Approval rating doesn't translate to effectiveness as a leader one single bit.

Approval rating is a popularity poll.

When has Congress ever had an approval rating that approaches what a President gets? Aside from the time around 9/11, Congressional approval rating has been typically low.
Congress has obstructed everything Obama has wanted to do. There is a long laundry list. Lack of a Supreme vote is the latest. And look at the poll numbers. Speaks volumes. That is why teh GOP is now in jeopardy of losing the Senate. People want the bodies to work together. McConnell said from Day 1 that that wasn't going to happen. And wingnuts think that it is Obama who won't work with Congress. Ignorance of the facts. Par for the course.
 
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LOL [roll]approval ratings...we're touting approval ratings?!?! Good Lord is he running for Jr. High Student Body President or is he (supposed to be) leading the greatest county (even though he doesn't think so) on the planet?
Obviously you don't like the numbers which show your party isn't too popular. Maybe if they'd only do a better job and work with the President? Maybe? Too late though. Hillary Clinton wins. Wingnuts lose. [roll]
 

rog1187

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Congress has obstructed everything Obama has wanted to do. There is a long laundry list. Lack of a Supreme vote is the latest. And look at the poll numbers. Speaks volumes. That is why teh GOP is now in jeopardy of losing the Senate. People want the bodies to work together. McConnell said from Day 1 that that wasn't going to happen. And wingnuts think that it is Obama who won't work with Congress. Ignorance of the facts. Par for the course.
Dems have said that he won't work with them...it's not just the GOP.
 

rog1187

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Obviously you don't like the numbers which show your party isn't too popular. Maybe if they'd only do a better job and work with the President? Maybe? Too late though. Hillary Clinton wins. Wingnuts lose. [roll]
We're all going to lose with either of them...not sure what's so funny about that...your head is either in the sand our up your ***.
 

Mntneer

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Congress has obstructed everything Obama has wanted to do. There is a long laundry list. Lack of a Supreme vote is the latest. And look at the poll numbers. Speaks volumes. That is why teh GOP is now in jeopardy of losing the Senate. People want the bodies to work together. McConnell said from Day 1 that that wasn't going to happen. And wingnuts think that it is Obama who won't work with Congress. Ignorance of the facts. Par for the course.

Obama won't work with Republicans. That's the difference.
 
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Obama won't work with Republicans. That's the difference.
You're delusional if you believe that. Obama is so toxic to the GOP that for a Repub pol to be seen with him can get that pol primaried. Ask Chris Christie about the backlash when he and Obama worked together in the aftermath of the hurricane.
 

Mntneer

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You're delusional if you believe that. Obama is so toxic to the GOP that for a Repub pol to be seen with him can get that pol primaried. Ask Chris Christie about the backlash when he and Obama worked together in the aftermath of the hurricane.

Just look at how he treated them prior to them regaining the House, early on in his Presidency.

If Bill Clinton can work with Newt Gingrich post Monica... the Obama should have been able to work with the Republicans. The difference is in the man.
 
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Just look at how he treated them prior to them regaining the House, early on in his Presidency.

If Bill Clinton can work with Newt Gingrich post Monica... the Obama should have been able to work with the Republicans. The difference is in the man.
How he treated them? When the leader of the GOP in the Senate states that his goal is not to get things done, but to make Obama a one-term President, we know all we need to know about who won't work with whom.
 

dave

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How he treated them? When the leader of the GOP in the Senate states that his goal is not to get things done, but to make Obama a one-term President, we know all we need to know about who won't work with whom.
You know who makes excuses for bad leadership? Bad leaders.
 
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You know who makes excuses for bad leadership? Bad leaders.
Yes, despite Obama's "bad leadership", 80 straight months of private sector job growth. UE rate at just under 5%. Dow has almost tripled. bin laden is dead. American auto industry is alive. Consumer confidence is through the roof. Gas is at $2 a gallon. If he had only been more effective!
 

rog1187

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Yes, despite Obama's "bad leadership", 80 straight months of private sector job growth. UE rate at just under 5%. Dow has almost tripled. bin laden is dead. American auto industry is alive. Consumer confidence is through the roof. Gas is at $2 a gallon. If he had only been more effective!
You're a ******* dufus...the UE is AT 5% not below it...and the expected job growth missed the mark at a dismal156k...and AAA has the national average for gas at $2.25.