Gary Johnson apparently isn't ready for prime time either....

Mntneer

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What do you expect from an idiot that doesn't even know if America was justified entering WW2 ? But hey, certain whackos here will say over and over how wonderful and smart he is.

Morons

Voting for Jill Stein then? :rolleyes:
 
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I can't believe we've narrowed the pool down to this. I want a re-do.
As I've said many times, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. As Winston Churchill once said, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
 

EERs 3:16

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But where we're missing here is: one again the Syrian gov't has crossed over Obama's red line and nothing happened.
 

Mntneer

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As I've said many times, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. As Winston Churchill once said, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

We're about to see that in full display this November.
 

moe

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But where we're missing here is: one again the Syrian gov't has crossed over Obama's red line and nothing happened.
Assuming that you're referring to reported chlorine use but other than to say gotcha why is this important to you? Do you want us to escalate military action in Syria? Does it warrant it? If true, I hope that the fallout was limited and the use not repeated because I would not like to see use escalate the war in Syria with troops on the ground or whatever that would involve but I don't want to see unfettered chemical use/genocide there either.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Assuming that you're referring to reported chlorine use but other than to say gotcha why is this important to you? Do you want us to escalate military action in Syria? Does it warrant it? If true, I hope that the fallout was limited and the use not repeated because I would not like to see use escalate the war in Syria with troops on the ground or whatever that would involve but I don't want to see unfettered chemical use/genocide there either.
Other than the one instance, I don't think chemical weapons have been used since. Genocide has been occurring for quite a while there. We have troops on the ground in Syria.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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What do you expect from an idiot that doesn't even know if America was justified entering WW2 ? But hey, certain whackos here will say over and over how wonderful and smart he is.

Morons
You really need to stop harping on that one. You look foolish when you aren't able to discern the context of his answer being that the answer was complex given that the US might have been able to stay out of that war had FDR taken different steps. FDR wanted in the war but could not get the approval until Pearl Harbor happened as most Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with another European war. He sidestepped a lot of measures put in place by congress which stripped the Pacific fleet of equipment and was shipping stuff to England prior to 41. Additionally, we were advising in China after Japan invaded in Manchuria in 31 and the measures we took there to try and starve Japan of oil and Steel essentially necessitated their attack on us to continue their advances.

So clearly, when asked if we should have been involved in WW2, it's not a simple yes or no if you are a student of history.
 

EERs 3:16

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You really need to stop harping on that one. You look foolish when you aren't able to discern the context of his answer being that the answer was complex given that the US might have been able to stay out of that war had FDR taken different steps. FDR wanted in the war but could not get the approval until Pearl Harbor happened as most Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with another European war. He sidestepped a lot of measures put in place by congress which stripped the Pacific fleet of equipment and was shipping stuff to England prior to 41. Additionally, we were advising in China after Japan invaded in Manchuria in 31 and the measures we took there to try and starve Japan of oil and Steel essentially necessitated their attack on us to continue their advances.

So clearly, when asked if we should have been involved in WW2, it's not a simple yes or no if you are a student of history.
And let's not forget, the Germans were already sinking American shipping long before Pearl Harbor.
 

Mntneer

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You really need to stop harping on that one. You look foolish when you aren't able to discern the context of his answer being that the answer was complex given that the US might have been able to stay out of that war had FDR taken different steps. FDR wanted in the war but could not get the approval until Pearl Harbor happened as most Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with another European war. He sidestepped a lot of measures put in place by congress which stripped the Pacific fleet of equipment and was shipping stuff to England prior to 41. Additionally, we were advising in China after Japan invaded in Manchuria in 31 and the measures we took there to try and starve Japan of oil and Steel essentially necessitated their attack on us to continue their advances.

So clearly, when asked if we should have been involved in WW2, it's not a simple yes or no if you are a student of history.

You have to excuse Bru, he's got a hard-on against Libertarians... one must have killed his puppy long ago.
 

EERs 3:16

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Assuming that you're referring to reported chlorine use but other than to say gotcha why is this important to you? Do you want us to escalate military action in Syria? Does it warrant it? If true, I hope that the fallout was limited and the use not repeated because I would not like to see use escalate the war in Syria with troops on the ground or whatever that would involve but I don't want to see unfettered chemical use/genocide there either.

I'm not the one who made the threat...Obama did. And why make a threat if you were ill prepared to follow through with it?
 

moe

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I'm not the one who made the threat...Obama did. And why make a threat if you were ill prepared to follow through with it?
Ok, you're playing gotcha, that's fine and a common message board game. Carry on.
 

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Ok, you're playing gotcha, that's fine and a common message board game. Carry on.

Guess nobody can answer that question. But, does making empty threats enhance or detract from our position in the world?
 

moe

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Guess nobody can answer that question. But, does making empty threats enhance or detract from our position in the world?
I'll answer your questions, you answer mine. Obviously he made the red line comments as a hopeful deterrent but it didn't work. I believe the BO recognized that it was a mistake to make the red line comment as we haven't taken a increased military response to the use of chemical weapons. I'm glad that BO has not backed up his red line statement and fortunately the use of chemical weapons there seems to have been very limited with no more reports until recent. Making empty threats is not a good practice. What do you think the prez should have done after the first use of chemical weapons or right now, after recent reports of their use? Are you in favor of increased U.S. military involvement in Syria?
 

EERs 3:16

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I'll answer your questions, you answer mine. Obviously he made the red line comments as a hopeful deterrent but it didn't work. I believe the BO recognized that it was a mistake to make the red line comment as we haven't taken a increased military response to the use of chemical weapons. I'm glad that BO has not backed up his red line statement and fortunately the use of chemical weapons there seems to have been very limited with no more reports until recent. Making empty threats is not a good practice. What do you think the prez should have done after the first use of chemical weapons or right now, after recent reports of their use? Are you in favor of increased U.S. military involvement in Syria?

As part of a comprehensive effort to destroy ISIS, a limited force could and should have been deployed into the region.
 

Airport

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As I've said many times, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. As Winston Churchill once said, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

Look who we've elected the last 8 years! Worst economy since Carter's
 

Airport

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I'll answer your questions, you answer mine. Obviously he made the red line comments as a hopeful deterrent but it didn't work. I believe the BO recognized that it was a mistake to make the red line comment as we haven't taken a increased military response to the use of chemical weapons. I'm glad that BO has not backed up his red line statement and fortunately the use of chemical weapons there seems to have been very limited with no more reports until recent. Making empty threats is not a good practice. What do you think the prez should have done after the first use of chemical weapons or right now, after recent reports of their use? Are you in favor of increased U.S. military involvement in Syria?

Never, never make a statement as President of the US that you do not intend to back up. It makes you look weak and foolish. Something that BO has lived up to.
 

bamaEER

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Saw it in the Dem primary as well. Electing Hillary Clinton is as idiotic as they come.

Then again we elected Obama twice.
The dems had Hillary and a socialist. GOP had a much better pool of candidates to pick from, then chaos ensued to give us cheetohead.
 

WVUBRU

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You really need to stop harping on that one. You look foolish when you aren't able to discern the context of his answer being that the answer was complex given that the US might have been able to stay out of that war had FDR taken different steps. FDR wanted in the war but could not get the approval until Pearl Harbor happened as mosuht Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with another European war. He sidestepped a lot of measures put in place by congress which stripped the Pacific fleet of equipment and was shipping stuff to England prior to 41. Additionally, we were advising in China after Japan invaded in Manchuria in 31 and the measures we took there to try and starve Japan of oil and Steel essentially necessitated their attack on us to continue their advances.

So clearly, when asked if we should have been involved in WW2, it's not a simple yes or no if you are a student of history.
You are a moron . December 7. 1941
 

DvlDog4WVU

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You are a moron . December 7. 1941
Clearly once that happened our involvement into WW2 wasn't debatable. I can see you are taking the simpleton's approach to the question which would make sense considering your insistent responses being what they are. At least I hope you are intentionally taking that approach, otherwise I gave you more credit than you deserve. I'll start typing slower for you in the future just to be sure.
 

WVUBRU

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Clearly once that happened our involvement into WW2 wasn't debatable. I can see you are taking the simpleton's approach to the question as well. At least I hope you are intentionally taking that approach, otherwise I gave you more credit than you deserve. I'll start typing slower for you in the future just to be sure.
It is really a simple topic. Morons like you should even understand it. Pearl Harbor was bombed, the congress declared war, anyone saying the country wasn't justified is stupid. And you somehow wanting to whine about crap just takes stupidity to a different level. Just shut up.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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It is really a simple topic. Morons like you should even understand it. Pearl Harbor was bombed, the congress declared war, anyone saying the country wasn't justified is stupid. And you somehow wanting to whine about crap just takes stupidity to a different level. Just shut up.
Not sure how many times I've said and have to say that once we were bombed, discussion over.

The point of the discussion and why he stated he wasn't sure was because of the 10 years leading up to 12/7 could have been handled differently which would have likely prevented our involvement because had they been handled differently, the IJN may not have bombed us at all. When you are wrong and out of your league just admit it and move on Bru.

Ya know what? Never mind, you aren't worth my time. I'm done with your dumb *** on this one. Be sure to keep updating us about his response that you clearly can't comprehend though. Old age is a *****.