This Mountaineer Alum and fan hasn't forgot and never will forget that bum. Let's see if we can get Doc Holliday!
No Way no RichRod
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Plus... ...do we need a new thread each and every time has the thought ? Plenty are already out there.
Hated makes the hater the victim, not the target.
I would welcome Rich back in a heartbeat, even though I thought he was an SOB for what he did and said about WVU after he left Morgantown for Ann Arbor, where he did poorly but was only give 3 years when many here say Dana needs more time to get his mojo going for WVU, even after 5 years. Double standard?
Why would I welcome Rich back?
Rich won the Pac-12 division at Arizona, the only such title in Arizona history. Dana hasn't even finished as high as 3rd in the Big 12, averaging 4-5 in the conference for his 4 years.
Rich came within one game of having WVU play for the national title, but blew the Pitt game against a 4-7 team. On the last WVU play of the game, if Pat White hits his receiver in the end zone (northwest corner), the Mountaineers win the game, despite Rich's stubbornness.
Rich and Bill Stewart won 69.8% and 70.0% of their games at WVU. Dana is at 55.6%.
I agree that Dana has played a tougher schedule at WVU than Rich and Bill. But the Pac-12 and Big 12 both are Power 5 conferences, so how each did against that competition is a fair comparison.
As noted, Dana never did better than 4th in the Big 12 and averaged a 4-5 conference record.
At the same time Rich won 2 of 3 bowl games for Arizona, was 10-3 and 10-4 after two 8-5 (4-5 in two Pac-12 seasons). He coached the only conference division title team in Arizona history and has the only two 10-victory seasons in Arizona history.
If his name weren't Rich Rodriguez, the haters would say that's impressive. If Dana did, WVU fans would say it was impressive, and it would be, whether it's Rich or Dana.
Rich is 36-17 at Arizona. That is 67.9%, pretty close to his WVU average. Compared to Dana's 55.6% against comparable competition, there's no question which is more impressive.
Cut off your nose to spite your face all you want, but Rich is a better coach by far than Dana, according to the records. Like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton supporters, you don't want to hear facts that don't match your hate meter.
But to date, Rich was better at WVU than Dana, and better in a Power 5 conference than Dana.
I don't care who is coaching WVU if they win and don't violate NCAA rules.
That goes for Dana and Rich and the next guy Lyons finds to coach my alma mater.
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N euter Kansas State
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I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
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R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
I would welcome Rich back in a heartbeat, even though I thought he was an SOB for what he did and said about WVU after he left Morgantown for Ann Arbor, where he did poorly but was only give 3 years when many here say Dana needs more time to get his mojo going for WVU, even after 5 years. Double standard?
Why would I welcome Rich back?
Rich won the Pac-12 division at Arizona, the only such title in Arizona history. Dana hasn't even finished as high as 3rd in the Big 12, averaging 4-5 in the conference for his 4 years.
Rich came within one game of having WVU play for the national title, but blew the Pitt game against a 4-7 team. On the last WVU play of the game, if Pat White hits his receiver in the end zone (northwest corner), the Mountaineers win the game, despite Rich's stubbornness.
Rich and Bill Stewart won 69.8% and 70.0% of their games at WVU. Dana is at 55.6%.
I agree that Dana has played a tougher schedule at WVU than Rich and Bill. But the Pac-12 and Big 12 both are Power 5 conferences, so how each did against that competition is a fair comparison.
As noted, Dana never did better than 4th in the Big 12 and averaged a 4-5 conference record.
At the same time Rich won 2 of 3 bowl games for Arizona, was 10-3 and 10-4 after two 8-5 (4-5 in two Pac-12 seasons). He coached the only conference division title team in Arizona history and has the only two 10-victory seasons in Arizona history.
If his name weren't Rich Rodriguez, the haters would say that's impressive. If Dana did, WVU fans would say it was impressive, and it would be, whether it's Rich or Dana.
Rich is 36-17 at Arizona. That is 67.9%, pretty close to his WVU average. Compared to Dana's 55.6% against comparable competition, there's no question which is more impressive.
Cut off your nose to spite your face all you want, but Rich is a better coach by far than Dana, according to the records. Like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton supporters, you don't want to hear facts that don't match your hate meter.
But to date, Rich was better at WVU than Dana, and better in a Power 5 conference than Dana.
I don't care who is coaching WVU if they win and don't violate NCAA rules.
That goes for Dana and Rich and the next guy Lyons finds to coach my alma mater.
M assacre Missouri
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
RR is 33-20 at UA, not 36-17. He's gone 8-5, 8-5, 10-4 and 7-6 at UA.
If some people want RR back then I'd love to know what kinds of things he could have done to WVU when he left (and immediately afterwards) that would make you not want him back. If what he did didn't forfeit the WVU job for him then what would?
If some people want RR back then I'd love to know what kinds of things he could have done to WVU when he left (and immediately afterwards) that would make you not want him back. If what he did didn't forfeit the WVU job for him then what would?
As I said in an earlier thread, I was not a RR fan from the beginning and I am not all that fond of him now. However, I must admit that I would be more excited about his return to WVU than I was when he was hired the first time. Why? Sometimes you just have to admit that some things fit together. While what RR does has not worked everywhere, it worked at WVU. I have to believe that he has seen the errors of his ways, and also understands that WVU was part of what made things work for him. Also, I am a little tired of hearing about how DH's schedule is so much tougher and for some reason we are supposed to be satisfied with being in the middle or below in a tougher conference. If this is our ceiling, if this is what we are supposed to accept, what is the point? I believe RR would provide some hope that things could be different.
With this said, I am still hopeful that DH can get things on track and take our program past just being happy about being in a Power 5 conference. He will have to do it quickly though, as I do not believe that going 6-6 or even 7-5 this year gets him a return, nor should it.
RR did and said some horrible things about WVU and people at WVU at the time, there is no doubt about that. Just as a person who wants to leave their spouse, creates and environment and formulates excuses for leaving, so did RR when he left WVU. There was absolutely nothing WVU could have done to keep him from exploring the coaching world. Was I pissed at him? You bet I was.
Time heals a lot of things. And a remorseful, heartfelt apology would soften a lot of people's attitude toward him. In answer to your question, there is no unpardonable sin and we are a forgiving society. Add that to the fact we want to win, and RR would be accepted back, and even those who now oppose such a move, would be all in if it works out in our favor.
My surmise on all this:
RRod was pretty full of himself and was probably hard to negotiate with.
He also wanted some things that likely would have been NCAA violations (ex. Allowing students to sell their books and keep the money).
On the other hand, he was also fighting for his assistants to get paid better and to get more than 1 year contracts. He was trying to bring WVU athletics into the 21st century.
On the other hand, Pastilong should have been shown the door before Y2K and wasn't proactive at all. His handling of the Jockitch, Belein and Huggs hires ( the boosters essentially hired him and put the contract in front of Fast Eddie to sign) showed how ill equipped he was to create the program that WVU needed to become.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be.
People will throw out some of his departing quotes, but what if you lost your dream job over someone who was stuck in the 90's? Wouldn't you be pissed too?
If we hired him back, the gag order would need to be lifted and a town hall meeting set up. Let people ask the questions that need answered and finally clear the air. If would be the only way to mend the divide over his time here.
RRod was pretty full of himself and was probably hard to negotiate with.
He also wanted some things that likely would have been NCAA violations (ex. Allowing students to sell their books and keep the money).
On the other hand, he was also fighting for his assistants to get paid better and to get more than 1 year contracts. He was trying to bring WVU athletics into the 21st century.
On the other hand, Pastilong should have been shown the door before Y2K and wasn't proactive at all. His handling of the Jockitch, Belein and Huggs hires ( the boosters essentially hired him and put the contract in front of Fast Eddie to sign) showed how ill equipped he was to create the program that WVU needed to become.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be.
People will throw out some of his departing quotes, but what if you lost your dream job over someone who was stuck in the 90's? Wouldn't you be pissed too?
If we hired him back, the gag order would need to be lifted and a town hall meeting set up. Let people ask the questions that need answered and finally clear the air. If would be the only way to mend the divide over his time here.
Good post.
I only want what's best for my alma mater. And Rich did the best coaching job of the 21st century for WVU, in my opinion.
If Pat White completes that pass into the northwest corner of the end zone against Pitt, everything would be different because the Mountaineers would have played for, and probably won, the national title.
Those who despite Rich today would have been ponying up money to build a statue of him outside Mountaineer Field is he had won the national title for the Mountaineers.
Thus is the nature of human nature.
M assacre Missouri
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
My surmise on all this:
RRod was pretty full of himself and was probably hard to negotiate with.
He also wanted some things that likely would have been NCAA violations (ex. Allowing students to sell their books and keep the money).
On the other hand, he was also fighting for his assistants to get paid better and to get more than 1 year contracts. He was trying to bring WVU athletics into the 21st century.
On the other hand, Pastilong should have been shown the door before Y2K and wasn't proactive at all. His handling of the Jockitch, Belein and Huggs hires ( the boosters essentially hired him and put the contract in front of Fast Eddie to sign) showed how ill equipped he was to create the program that WVU needed to become.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be.
People will throw out some of his departing quotes, but what if you lost your dream job over someone who was stuck in the 90's? Wouldn't you be pissed too?
If we hired him back, the gag order would need to be lifted and a own hall meeting set up. Let people ask the questions that need answered and finally clear the air. If would be the only way to mend the divide over his time here.
Thanks. If I were AD, I would do it as a MAC function. You could sell 1000 tickets for $100/ticket and sell out in a couple hours. Stream the broadcast and allow non-MAC folks to watch and pitch in a few questions as well.
RRod was pretty full of himself and was probably hard to negotiate with.
He also wanted some things that likely would have been NCAA violations (ex. Allowing students to sell their books and keep the money).
On the other hand, he was also fighting for his assistants to get paid better and to get more than 1 year contracts. He was trying to bring WVU athletics into the 21st century.
On the other hand, Pastilong should have been shown the door before Y2K and wasn't proactive at all. His handling of the Jockitch, Belein and Huggs hires ( the boosters essentially hired him and put the contract in front of Fast Eddie to sign) showed how ill equipped he was to create the program that WVU needed to become.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be.
People will throw out some of his departing quotes, but what if you lost your dream job over someone who was stuck in the 90's? Wouldn't you be pissed too?
If we hired him back, the gag order would need to be lifted and a own hall meeting set up. Let people ask the questions that need answered and finally clear the air. If would be the only way to mend the divide over his time here.
Thanks. If I were AD, I would do it as a MAC function. You could sell 1000 tickets for $100/ticket and sell out in a couple hours. Stream the broadcast and allow non-MAC folks to watch and pitch in a few questions as well.
Let's look at the true facts of Rod record for Arizona and not your smoke and mirror parlor tricks.
33-20 at Arizona...makes me laugh.
2015 - 7-6 (3-6) OOC - UTSA, Nevada, N.Arizona (oh my, padded OOC so he could win)
2014 - 10-4 (7-2) OOC - UNLV, UTSA, Nevada (another padded OOC)
2013 - 8-5 (4-5) OOC - N.Arizona, UTSA, UNLV (continues to pad the sched.)
2012 - 8-5 (4-5) - OOC - Toledo (took OT to win) Oklahoma St. S,Carolina State (decent OOC)
PAC 12 won / loss - 18 - 18...see a pattern here. easy OOC schedule (12-0) Easy bowl teams - 3-1 in mediocre bowls. 0-1 in championship games. 15 wins came against weak teams. Not impressed.
2012 Gildan New Mexico Bowl - Nevada 49-48 W
2013 AdvoCare V100 Bowl - Boston College 42-19 W
2014 VIZIO FIESTA BOWL - Boise State 30 - 38 L (got caught with decent bowl team)
2015 GILDAN NEW MEXICO BOWL - 48-37 W
I don't know if I want him back but much of what he publicly said negatively about us were PR prompts coming from his legal mouthpiece.He's since admitted he got back advice. I do think his methods field a better conditioned and aggressive team, though.
He's embarrassed us enough.
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/07/west_virginia_football_program.html
and this -
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-09-01-rodriguez-lawsuit_N.htm
No way would I welcome him back.
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/07/west_virginia_football_program.html
and this -
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-09-01-rodriguez-lawsuit_N.htm
No way would I welcome him back.
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I certainly do NOT want DickRod back, but I think the people who control the purse strings, the same ones who brought him to us in the first place, may be working hard to bring him back. I hope I'm wrong.
Doc has burned his bridges also. I would not want him after being at Turd Tech in Huntingdump. I want WKU's Jeff Brohm before UK grabs him up.
Just like the people in New Martinsville who are making Gomer look like a God.
"On the other hand, Pastilong should have been shown the door before Y2K and wasn't proactive at all. His handling of the Jockitch, Belein and Huggs hires ( the boosters essentially hired him and put the contract in front of Fast Eddie to sign) showed how ill equipped he was to create the program that WVU needed to become.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be."
The Pasthisprime/Garrison era is still haunting us. I read the other day on Huffington Post where Heather's bogus eMBA degree is still being talked about and even went as far as accusing Uncle Joe of conning Mike Puskar into the donation that had the stadium named for him.
I'm sure we will never hear the whole story with gag orders and such, but I bet RRod wasn't as guilty and Pastilong wasn't as innocent as history makes them out to be."
The Pasthisprime/Garrison era is still haunting us. I read the other day on Huffington Post where Heather's bogus eMBA degree is still being talked about and even went as far as accusing Uncle Joe of conning Mike Puskar into the donation that had the stadium named for him.
If RR said some bad things for a week or two after he left and that was it then I could let it go. But it went on for six months what with the court cases and all and it only ended when he finally got his $4 M, of which UM had to pay $2.5 (after they had already said they wouldn't pay any).
RR was going to do ANYTHING he could to get his $4 M and as a result he forever alienated himself to WVU as well as getting off to a bad start at UM and annoying some of their fans before he had even coaches a game.
RR was going to do ANYTHING he could to get his $4 M and as a result he forever alienated himself to WVU as well as getting off to a bad start at UM and annoying some of their fans before he had even coaches a game.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2015/conference/
Look at #20
Look at #62
Look at at the ranking of every former Big East member.
Look at the ranking of every WV state border school.
What do you see?
Look at #20
Look at #62
Look at at the ranking of every former Big East member.
Look at the ranking of every WV state border school.
What do you see?
He's never asked.
Plus, since leaving nothing effing special WVU, The Product has done nothing effin' special.
"Oldroyd kicked a 33-yard field goal with 4 seconds left and Jamaal Williams ran for 162 yards, helping BYU rally to beat Arizona 18-16 on Saturday night."
Yet another egg in front of his 'home' fans.
Dropping that Fiesta Bowl game at home against Boise two years ago didn't help either. Hr had a 10-2 season going before getting embarrassed in the final two games. Typical Ricardo, chokes in big games. He damn near threw the Georgia game away in his one BCS appearance here.
There are better Mexicans out there than El Producto. Dozens of 'em out in front of any Home Depot looking for work.
There are better Mexicans out there than El Producto. Dozens of 'em out in front of any Home Depot looking for work.
So some of you are attacking Rich Rod for the loss against a quality BYU team? Dang, I'd hate to see what you would think of a coach who lost at home to.....let's say......someone as horrible as Iowa State........[thumbsup].......
....or how about...3-7, 28-point underdog, arch-rival Pitt...with a national title game berth on the line....and bolting one week later...wow that would be the pits....
Was their ever an investigation into who it was that wanted to kill him and his family for throwing the Pitt game? Are they still out there?