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Redshirt
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please tell me what the difference is between extreme carelessness and negligence is?
 

mofo

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they can't win , in court...

yes, sounds fishy

but normally federal workers with this issue would lose their security clearance, thus
not able to work for federal government which requires a secret clearance...

prez needs a security clearance
 

The Dunedein

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please tell me what the difference is between extreme carelessness and negligence is?

Need to ask a lawyer who does criminal work. I do only civil law, so take what i say on this with a large grain of salt. I don't think, considering the particular law involved in this e-mail situation, that either "extreme carelessness" or "negligence" are sufficient to constitute a criminal violation of the law. Hence the comment by the FBI Director that "no reasonable prosecutor" would prosecute on the facts involved here.

As an independent voter, i found that comment interesting in light of the FBI Director's background and ties to Republicans and President Bush (according to an article i read).
 

PriddyBoy

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Need to ask a lawyer who does criminal work. I do only civil law, so take what i say on this with a large grain of salt. I don't think, considering the particular law involved in this e-mail situation, that either "extreme carelessness" or "negligence" are sufficient to constitute a criminal violation of the law. Hence the comment by the FBI Director that "no reasonable prosecutor" would prosecute on the facts involved here.

As an independent voter, i found that comment interesting in light of the FBI Director's background and ties to Republicans and President Bush (according to an article i read).
found this at Independent Journal Report. copy/paste:
1. Mishandling Classified Information
Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send of store classified information on personal email. Casey Harper at The Daily Caller delved into this angle:

“‘By using a private email system, Secretary Clinton violated the Federal Records Act and the State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual regarding records management, and worse, could have left classified and top secret documents vulnerable to cyber attack,’ Cause of Action Executive Director Dan Epstein said in an email to reporters.

‘This is an egregious violation of the law, and if it were anyone else, they could be facing fines and criminal prosecution.’”

Harper goes on to point out that multiple violations of this law have been enforced recently, including in 1999, when former CIA Director John M. Deutch’s security clearance was suspended for using his personal email to send classified information.

Additionally, this past week, Gen. David Patraeus pleaded guilty for mishandling classified information by using a Gmail account instead of his official government email.

2. Violation of The 2009 Federal Records Act
Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) requirements states that:

“Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system.”

According to the original story on Clinton’s emails published in The New York Times:

“Federal regulations, since 2009, have required that all emails be preserved as part of an agency’s record-keeping system. In Mrs. Clinton’s case, her emails were kept on her personal account and her staff took no steps to have them preserved as part of State Department record.

In response to a State Department request, Mrs. Clinton’s advisers, late last year, reviewed her account and decided which emails to turn over to the State Department.”

The fact that the State Department combs through the 55,000 pages of emails sent on Clinton’s private email account seems to verify that at least some of the emails Clinton sent contained classified information.

3. Violation of the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA)
Veterans for a Strong America has filed a lawsuit against the State Department over potential violations of FOIA. Joel Arends, chairman of the non-profit group, explained to the Washington Examiner that their FOIA request over the Benghazi affair specifically asked for any personal email accounts Secretary Clinton may have used:

“‘At this point in time, I think we’re the only ones that specifically asked for both her personal and government email and phone logs,’ Arends said of his group’s Benghazi-related request.”

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell believes that the use of a personal emails server appears to be a preemptive move, specifically designed to circumvent FOIA:

“‘Hillary Clinton’s system was designed to defy Freedom of Information Act requests, which is designed to defy the law.'”

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These are just three of the potential violations that Clinton may have committed by using a personal email account to conduct official State business. More information will be provided as this story continues to develop.
 

mofo

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but she is Hillary,

grease bag husband should gave never been prez

I'm voting for anyone other than Clinton