What do labor unions have to hide?

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Oct 17, 2001
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Doesn't membership deserve to know how the money is being spent?

California’s public employee unions used their muscle this week to fight back a legislative bid to open their books, killing in committee a bill that would force them to post online how dues are spent -- and a second bill requiring a union vote every two years.

"These members want to belong to a union. They want to be represented by a union. They just want to know where their money's at,” said bill sponsor Assemblywoman Shannon Grove, a Republican.

The two bills went down Wednesday on a party-line vote, after dozens of union members came out against the legislation.

"The whole issue is not so much about these bills, but it's about right-wing billionaires fighting for their interest and fighting to stymie the rights of the union," testified Theresa Rutherford, of SEIU local 1021.

The fight, though, actually began with an internal complaint from a union member, five years ago.

At the time, Mariam Noujaim, a long-time state employee, noticed a crossing guard at the State Capitol on an empty street that already had a tunnel built under it for pedestrians. A self-described cheapskate, Noujaim sensed a waste of money.

She later learned it was a make-work job provided to her union, the Service Employees International Union or SEIU. She demanded to see their books. They refused. She sued – and later got involved with the legislation.

"This is my case," said Noujaim, an Egyptian immigrant. "Show me the money."

She and others are vowing to keep fighting for transparency and accountability, despite this week’s legislative loss.

SEIU is the state's second-largest public employee union with some 700,000 members statewide. In her lawsuit, Noujaim won but was only given access to the union's $60 million budget for a few hours and was not allowed to make copies or bring an accountant.

"Numbers are like a bikini. What they reveal is interesting. What they hide is vital," said attorney Mark Goudy. Her attorney also helped Noujaim contact Grove, who agreed to sponsor the ill-fated legislation.

"If they want to know why there's a $50,000 credit card bill and what's on it, why can't they know?" Noujaim asked.

One of the bills would have required public-employee unions to post detailed, itemized budgets online and to respond to members' written requests for more information. The second bill would have compelled public unions to hold elections every two years.

Grove called it necessary since fewer than 10 percent of workers today ever actually voted for the union currently representing them, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.

Nevertheless, some 30 union leaders showed up to attack the bills.

"We already comply with the law, we do what the law asks," SEIU lobbyist Randy Cheek testified. "We are totally open and transparent."

Rutherford, of SEIU local 1021, said the bills would "take away the voice of the employees."

Labor has immense influence in Sacramento, with Democrats in control of every statewide office and both legislative houses.

Rogue SEIU members Noujaim and Lisa Garcia – a colleague and fellow union dissident – are defeated but remain undeterred.

"Every single employee, I believe, in the state of California would rather take more of their money home as opposed to giving it to the unions," said Garcia.
 

Popeer

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Sep 8, 2003
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"Numbers are like a bikini. What they reveal is interesting. What they hide is vital," said attorney Mark Goudy.

The first person I ever heard say that was WVU kicker Frank Nester, who was a classmate of mine in PR 101. [laughing]
 

CAJUNEER_rivals

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May 29, 2001
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"Numbers are like a bikini. What they reveal is interesting. What they hide is vital," said attorney Mark Goudy.

The first person I ever heard say that was WVU kicker Frank Nester, who was a classmate of mine in PR 101. [laughing]
“Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”

Aaron Levenstein
 

dave

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May 29, 2001
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Union bosses definitely dont want the rank and file knowing how their dues are spent.
 
Sep 6, 2013
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Union bosses definitely dont want the rank and file knowing how their dues are spent.

********. You know they have financial disclosure, right? My dad was an arbitrator and my uncle was a BA that was killed on a picket line. I'll bet you don't know anyone well that is a union member.
 

dave

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********. You know they have financial disclosure, right? My dad was an arbitrator and my uncle was a BA that was killed on a picket line. I'll bet you don't know anyone well that is a union member.
As usual you dont know what you are talking about.
 

bornaneer

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Jan 23, 2014
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********. You know they have financial disclosure, right? My dad was an arbitrator and my uncle was a BA that was killed on a picket line. I'll bet you don't know anyone well that is a union member.
Were you ever in a union?
 
Sep 6, 2013
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Were you ever in a union?

No. I don't have to take **** from anyone. My dad taught me to seek a profession that I loved and didn't have to take **** from anyone. I grew up in a union household. I saw the negative aspects of unions too; my dad as an arbitrator having to conduct arbitration for guys that deserved to be fired. Several of you posters continually post negative **** about unions and you've never been in one, never known anyone very well that has been in one and constantly show your ignorance. You have no clue about modern labor laws and workplace safety how they originated.
 

bornaneer

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No. I don't have to take **** from anyone. My dad taught me to seek a profession that I loved and didn't have to take **** from anyone. I grew up in a union household. I saw the negative aspects of unions too; my dad as an arbitrator having to conduct arbitration for guys that deserved to be fired. Several of you posters continually post negative **** about unions and you've never been in one, never known anyone very well that has been in one and constantly show your ignorance. You have no clue about modern labor laws and workplace safety how they originated.

Actually I was a member of two Unions. Had to join one when I was at WVU and working at a store in Suncrest. Later was a member of another one for 19 years. Just opened a letter from the latter one in regard to the current critical condition of our fund. Both Unions were very good. Sorry you are so defensive......you need to chill.
 

mneilmont

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Actually I was a member of two Unions. Had to join one when I was at WVU and working at a store in Suncrest. Later was a member of another one for 19 years. Just opened a letter from the latter one in regard to the current critical condition of our fund. Both Unions were very good. Sorry you are so defensive......you need to chill.
Naw, he is just plain stupid. He states plainly that people don't know what they are talking about. In the next sentence, he admits that he has never been in any union.

But we cannot hold that against him. So many of his comrades on the board have zero knowledge about the subject-matter that they seek to discuss. They don't even offer it as their opinion, but state it as absolute fact and even get offended when someone versed in the subject corrects their error. Sooooo funny to watch them become so versed in their idiotese and won't keep their mouth shut to create a little doubt.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Actually I was a member of two Unions. Had to join one when I was at WVU and working at a store in Suncrest. Later was a member of another one for 19 years. Just opened a letter from the latter one in regard to the current critical condition of our fund. Both Unions were very good. Sorry you are so defensive......you need to chill.
They don't call him Cunty for nothing.
 

dave

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No. I don't have to take **** from anyone. My dad taught me to seek a profession that I loved and didn't have to take **** from anyone. I grew up in a union household. I saw the negative aspects of unions too; my dad as an arbitrator having to conduct arbitration for guys that deserved to be fired. Several of you posters continually post negative **** about unions and you've never been in one, never known anyone very well that has been in one and constantly show your ignorance. You have no clue about modern labor laws and workplace safety how they originated.
So we should support unions misuse of worker's money because they did something good once upon a time? The Catholic church has done a lot of good things throughout history so we should support their handful of pedophile priests?
 
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