'Democratic' Socialism
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You want higher wages, stop all the illegals coming in here competing for jobs that drive down the wages. Do away with job killing regulations. Do away with ACA. Illegals drive down wages, pure and simple and the liberals want more of them. It's a contradiction.
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Thanks for proving our point. Greece is a capitalistic democracy, similar to the US in many ways.
Most of the jobs the illegals take are jobs that most Americans wouldn't take anyway, so there is really no "driving down wages". There are a lot of seasonal and hard manual labor jobs. Picking fruit, shucking oysters, etc. They live in one area when something is in season there and then move to another area when something is in season over there.
So, you don't see Mexicans in your area doing carpentry? Painting? Working on grounds crews at golf courses? Look, if you don't think that they drive down wages for those tasks, you're delusional. If the places that hire these guys had to hire "Americans" they would pay more to get the help. There's more illegals and legal meixcans, etc looking to work and that prevents an upward pressure on wages. Fewer workers= higher wages. Pretty simple. It's a ripple effect.
To answer your question, no, I don't see them in my area, but that's also not really a very valid counter to your argument due to where I live. My area is a bad example. Small town WV.
Honestly the only time I've seen them around here have been on tree trimming crews ... and of course mexican restaurants.
I remember lots of kids working as baggers and stockers in grocery stores. I also remember folks who worked as butchers and managers and buyers who did that as a means to support a family. And they could do those jobs and support a family. I also know people from my home town who lost their small businesses when Walmart moved into town. I know some of those people ended up working at Walmart after their businesses went under. It's not a black and white issue. I also tend to agree with Whitetail that the government subsidies for these business practices that help the people who are getting low wages is a much less efficient way to address the problem.
Here's the difference as I see it. We are not paying for these subsidies. We are going into debt to provide these subsidies, and we have been doing that for a while. Any correction we try to make is going to be a shock to the economy. Raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 over a period of a few years is going to hurt. It has to be a slow burn in order to work. You have to build it on a schedule, and you have to stay on the schedule (can't have another bill in 2 years that slows things down). At the end of that schedule, you hope to have something that is a living wage set as the minimum. Once you've reached that point (maybe 10 years out), you also index that wage in order to keep it current. The minimum wage shouldn't be stagnant for years at a time. It makes it impossible to adjust without hurting the economy. If it increases with inflation, you lose the shocks to the system.
Yes, in both cases its the same people--people who want someone else to subsidize their lives.
The pictures I posted are European rioters whose benefits were reduced because their country went bankrupt.
I get that, but there are other reasons for riots that we see in this country all the time that are far more trivial than that. To paint this as a strictly socialist phenomenon is disingenuous. People have gotten killed over labor strikes, for instance. The only time you aren't going to see people rise up is when they are too afraid to do so ... and I think we can agree that we don't want to live in a place like that.
Yes, the URL for the .jpg says Greece Austerity Protests.
http://bhcourier.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Greece-austerity-protests-001-540x360.jpg
This is a very good parallel to other people who spoke of investing in one's self and learn a specialty that makes the meat man, buyer and manager more valuable than a stocker or bagger in the hierarchy in grocery stores. The pay is great enough to feed a family after you have become proficient and accept the responsibility. Those entry level jobs do not require much talent like the manager or meat man.
There are a lot here in Roanoke. We have translators coming to my dental office with patients and I know a little to get by.
I see it all the time with various trades, especially finish trades.
Unfortunately, it's all that's out there. We are losing skilled workers at a record pace and finding only individuals capable of filling those positions is next to impossible.
South Carolina has a great approach to educating/training to fill industry needs. Kids can get three years of training in public education plus technical school in post grad community school.
Industry can prepare curriculum to fit needs, and the schools will train to the industrial need. Welding is one trade that gets a lot of exposure, and I see other locations advertising for need in the welding. Seems that people are reluctant to relocate to find jobs.
Times have changed.
Democratic socialism ALWAYS becomes facism (we are there now) and later turns to communism/oppression/dictatorships....(probably a 15-20 years from now).
Trump told the crowd in the 'burg last night that he would revive the coal and steel industries. People cheered loudly.
allow the US to drill in the Gulf of Mexico, would be a nice idea...or less restitutions maybe a better term...
Fossil fuels has done so much for us, individually. ..
yes, there should be some environmental regulations. ...but China is the big environmental culprit. ...
Say what?
U.S. to open more drilling sites in Gulf of Mexico
The U.S. Energy Information Administration in a report estimated crude oil production from basins in the Gulf of Mexico is on pace to reach record levels by next year. Production should average about 1.6 million barrels per day this year and increase 17 percent by the end of 2017 to 1.91 million bpd. By then, output from the Gulf of Mexico will account for about 21 percent of total U.S. crude oil production.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/En...illing-sites-in-Gulf-of-Mexico/7361455877709/
did you all watch those
old codgers debate, last night?
H is tired
sorry D i don't recognize you, either ...
recommendation to both, make an opinion and stick w it...
not as childish or as easy, as trading quick insults
which in my mind is very boring
I am sure that has a meaning - to you. I don't post for credits. What is the prize you get for that recognition? Honestly, I always get you and Moe confused. Unless it is something of interest, I never look at author. This is the first time I have ever had cause to look more closely at your offerings.
can't believe that anyone would think socialism would be a good idea, just because the presenter had unique speaking skills....
gullible
Dah........What is the Dem registration vs. the Repub registration? If they love Bernie why did Hillary clean his clock?