Vladimir Putin's 2016 calendar

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Vladimir Putin's 2016 calendar: Spend the year with Russia's president

You Putin bootlickers better get your spank material soon before they're all gone...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/28/europe/vladimir-putin-calendar-2016/index.html

Would you explain to me who you are referring to? I would hope most real Americans would find him and his actions repulsive. I do not trust him, he has certainly exploited our commander in chief for his personal benefit but I still would like to know who and what you are referring to?
 

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Would you explain to me who you are referring to? I would hope most real Americans would find him and his actions repulsive. I do not trust him, he has certainly exploited our commander in chief for his personal benefit but I still would like to know who and what you are referring to?
There are some Putin fanboys on this board. I'll let them out themselves.
 
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Would you explain to me who you are referring to? I would hope most real Americans would find him and his actions repulsive. I do not trust him, he has certainly exploited our commander in chief for his personal benefit but I still would like to know who and what you are referring to?
He's exploited Obama? pray tell
 

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He's exploited Obama? pray tell

Putin's invasion Crimea and Ukraine was precipitated by Pres Obama weak stance concerning confronting Putin. I don't want war over that region but you invite war if your adversary, Russia is our adversary, thinks you will do nothing. Ukraine is a member of NATO and an Attack on one is an attack on all. We need to make sure that he is not invited to make any more aggressive moves in that area so we don't have to enforce our treaty obligations. That would be catastrophic. We have certainly underestimated what Putin will do.
 
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Putin's invasion Crimea and Ukraine was precipitated by Pres Obama weak stance concerning confronting Putin. I don't want war over that region but you invite war if your adversary, Russia is our adversary, thinks you will do nothing. Ukraine is a member of NATO and an Attack on one is an attack on all. We need to make sure that he is not invited to make any more aggressive moves in that area so we don't have to enforce our treaty obligations. That would be catastrophic. We have certainly underestimated what Putin will do.
Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. And Obama did NOT do nothing when Putin went into the Crimea.
 

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Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. And Obama did NOT do nothing when Putin went into the Crimea.

Please elaborate as to what he actually did. Keep in mind, I wouldn't have been in favor of confrontation over it. Yes, I know that Ukraine wasn't a member but Russia is getting awfully close to countries that are. Bullies have a tendency to keep kicking sand in your face until you do something. I just would rather Putin keep his military under strict control.
 
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Please elaborate as to what he actually did. Keep in mind, I wouldn't have been in favor of confrontation over it. Yes, I know that Ukraine wasn't a member but Russia is getting awfully close to countries that are. Bullies have a tendency to keep kicking sand in your face until you do something. I just would rather Putin keep his military under strict control.
Economic sanctions....like any reasonable person would do.
https://www.rt.com/business/311201-us-expands-russia-sanctions/
 
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Like the ones on Iran? Except opposite? Not much you can do against a nuclear Russia.
So what do you suggest he do? You've admitted that it isn't worth war. Should obama take his shirt off and flex? It's funny how right wingers tend to put Putin on some pedestal. Not long ago, we saw the wingnuts' prediction that Putin was going to show ISIS real power after they bombed the Russian passenger jet. He hasn't done Jack. Putin is exactly what today's wingnuts love-all bluster. He talks and acts tough. But the reality is, he lives in the real world just like everyone else. And there are consequences to actions. They may not come immediately. But ultimately, they come. They've already come in Syria with his decision to bomb. Since then, he's lost a passenger jet, a fighter jet, a helicopter, and some troops. But he talks tough. And acts tough. Unlike our "feckless" president who wingnuts claim nobody respects.
 

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So what do you suggest he do? You've admitted that it isn't worth war. Should obama take his shirt off and flex? It's funny how right wingers tend to put Putin on some pedestal. Not long ago, we saw the wingnuts' prediction that Putin was going to show ISIS real power after they bombed the Russian passenger jet. He hasn't done Jack. Putin is exactly what today's wingnuts love-all bluster. He talks and acts tough. But the reality is, he lives in the real world just like everyone else. And there are consequences to actions. They may not come immediately. But ultimately, they come. They've already come in Syria with his decision to bomb. Since then, he's lost a passenger jet, a fighter jet, a helicopter, and some troops. But he talks tough. And acts tough. Unlike our "feckless" president who wingnuts claim nobody respects.

I'm not a Putin lover. I think he is bad. Just as I think that pansycrats are dangerous too but for different reasons. You cannot ignore what he has done just as you cannot give Iran it's money back under the pretense that it is behaving. Real sanctions would be our only recourse but if they take the shape of what he has done with Iran, there isn't any sanctions. I hope Putin's actions in Syria does fail. I hope the jihadist continue to fight over there and leave us alone but we know that that is not going to happen. One can only hope. We are still a strong country and the bad actors, Putin is definitely bad, needs to know that we have limits that they can push us to.
 

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I'm not a Putin lover. I think he is bad. Just as I think that pansycrats are dangerous too but for different reasons. You cannot ignore what he has done just as you cannot give Iran it's money back under the pretense that it is behaving. Real sanctions would be our only recourse but if they take the shape of what he has done with Iran, there isn't any sanctions. I hope Putin's actions in Syria does fail. I hope the jihadist continue to fight over there and leave us alone but we know that that is not going to happen. One can only hope. We are still a strong country and the bad actors, Putin is definitely bad, needs to know that we have limits that they can push us to.
We were never going to do much about Russia's quest to regain Crimea anyway. The people there are Russian and more importantly, Sevastopol is there.
 
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I'm not a Putin lover. I think he is bad. Just as I think that pansycrats are dangerous too but for different reasons. You cannot ignore what he has done just as you cannot give Iran it's money back under the pretense that it is behaving. Real sanctions would be our only recourse but if they take the shape of what he has done with Iran, there isn't any sanctions. I hope Putin's actions in Syria does fail. I hope the jihadist continue to fight over there and leave us alone but we know that that is not going to happen. One can only hope. We are still a strong country and the bad actors, Putin is definitely bad, needs to know that we have limits that they can push us to.
You do know that the Iran deal that you keep harping about was signed by not only Iran and the US but also China, Russia, France, Germany and the UK, don't you? It seems that on the one hand, wingnuts admire Putin's toughness and seem to hold him up as the standard of leadership. Yet on the other hand, Putin gets no criticism for the Iran deal. They reserve all the criticism for Obama. Funny how that works.
 

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You do know that the Iran deal that you keep harping about was signed by not only Iran and the US but also China, Russia, France, Germany and the UK, don't you? It seems that on the one hand, wingnuts admire Putin's toughness and seem to hold him up as the standard of leadership. Yet on the other hand, Putin gets no criticism for the Iran deal. They reserve all the criticism for Obama. Funny how that works.

We are giving one of the most deceitful countries of all time back over a billion dollars. John Kerry should be impeached over that one. I don't care who else signed it, it is a travesty and you know it. Iran is the worst actor in the ME. We should put an embargo on it until it straightens up. Nothing in, nothing out.
 

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We were never going to do much about Russia's quest to regain Crimea anyway. The people there are Russian and more importantly, Sevastopol is there.
You are correct but a very weak President invites aggression. Obama is not respected for his leadership abilities.
 
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We are giving one of the most deceitful countries of all time back over a billion dollars. John Kerry should be impeached over that one. I don't care who else signed it, it is a travesty and you know it. Iran is the worst actor in the ME. We should put an embargo on it until it straightens up. Nothing in, nothing out.
Well, your buddy W gave Iraq to Iran when he invaded and installed maliki, an iranian operative as Prez. nice move there. Iraq was the counterbalance to Iran and had been for decades. No more. Iran has an opportunity to straighten up and have incentives to do so. Even the commie Chinese and the despot Putin are willing to let this deal follow though. We don't have to rush into another war which will only benefit the neocons and their buds making weapons.
 

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Well, your buddy W gave Iraq to Iran when he invaded and installed maliki, an iranian operative as Prez. nice move there. Iraq was the counterbalance to Iran and had been for decades. No more. Iran has an opportunity to straighten up and have incentives to do so. Even the commie Chinese and the despot Putin are willing to let this deal follow though. We don't have to rush into another war which will only benefit the neocons and their buds making weapons.

You know I was against the war so I will leave that there. Letting Iran have it's money is very, very dangerous. Iran will sponsor more terrorism around the world. Two wrongs don't make a right. One has to question why intelligent people would put peaceful people of the world in such danger. I can not fathom that move.
 
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If you believe that you are very wrong. I respect the Presidency, not the way he has performed in his duties. He is a divider.
I'm not wrong. And anyone not glued to Fox news know it. He's actually more respected in the rest of the western world than he is at home. Wonder why? Here is a little info on the subject....
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/24/7-charts-on-how-the-world-views-president-obama/
 

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France, Spain UK are all socialist leaning countries not unexpected. I have a hard time believing Austrailia.
 
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France, Spain UK are all socialist leaning countries not unexpected. I have a hard time believing Austrailia.
You stated very clearly that Obama's leadeship was not respected. I've provided proof that you are wrong. Now you want to qualify your assertion. I give up.