Who will be the nominee of the Dems in 2016?
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Even though I have argued against Hillary getting the nom for about a year now and even bet Big Clay that she wouldn't, she is far and away the front runner and it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
At this point only a poor performance in a Dem Primary debate (which I doubt there will be any of) or indictment for email corruption will keep her from getting the nom and gives the GOP a golden chance to take back the WH should they not blow their pick.
It appears to me that the GOP is really screwing the pooch so far. The Dems are not doing much better but there will be a backlash of all the foolishness that has been going on within the GOP race so far.
One per month starting in October, with Feb and March dates up in the air right now. So far they have:
10/13 in Nevada
11/14 in Iowa
12/19 in New Hampshire
1/17 in South Carolina
The remaining 2 without hard scheduled dates are in Florida and Wisconsin.
It's looking more and more like the email scandal will stick, IMHO. I don't see Sanders as a viable candidate - but Dukakis won a nomination, so I could be wrong. O'Malley has been fairly unimpressive so far, and I've heard nothing of Webb or Chafee. I think Biden may have a golden opportunity if he chooses to take it. Cory Booker has potential to rise in the party, but he's not ready for a run at president yet - at least I don't think so. You do have a couple of former governors who might jump in if HC falters - Evan Bayh of Indiana, Mike Beebe of Arkansas, Steve Bullock of Montana. I'm not sure they would be better options, but I would hate to rule them out.
I am still hoping that Webb becomes more popular, but I have a bad feeling that both parties would rather have a sideshow.
the GOP thing is like watching a train derail...it's tragic but you can't turn your head away. I was hoping to see Trump disappear, but if the whackos want him, so be it. Hilly beats him by a landslide.
Hillary is actually about 7 points ahead in the latest poll. He is on his way up and she on her way down. Why would you suggest that that trend will not continue? What are you relying on? Three Repubs lead Hillary with Jeb in front of pack.
A black man and a white woman have made the largest jumps in the national polls. How in hell can two minorities get tailwind in the conservative party that discriminates? Is this a figment of our imagination or was the rhetoric about the conservatives just a bit misleading? Independents are moving.
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I swung by a Democratic page on Facebook to read comments about an article discussing Webb. The nasty comments so many Dems laid on him were unreal. They're as bad as the GOP in wanting to kill moderates in their party.
I have no doubt that's true. I think that's part of the problem with the nomination process. Many of the moderates have given up on the parties - then the extremes are left to pick the nominees. I'm hoping for open primaries, although Colorado currently does the nominations by caucus. I hate that process - plays even more to the extremes under normal circumstances.
There is too much room for fraud in open primaries, unless you had a combined primary where you only got one vote. At least for president, I also disagree with the "extremes" picking the candidate on the Republican side. The last two Republican candidates were basically moderate Democrats. Bush wasn't that conservative either,in a lot of ways.
I don't know why sideline Dem candidates aren't rushing into the race. I think that there are a ton of Dem voters waiting for someone mildly interesting with a pulse to enter the race. I still think the race is wide open and wish more Dem candidates would take the plunge.
Trump is Hillary's worst nightmare. While I think she would beat any of the OTHER Repubs, Trump will destroy her and will win the Presidency IF he ends up being the nominee. Mark it down. I also suggest you wish upon a different star, Trump is not going to disappear.
I don't get Trump's appeal for President, I really don't. What has he said other than "I will be awesome at immigration" ... "I am the best at the military" ... "I will be the greatest with the economy" ... "I will destroy ISIS, but won't tell you how"
He did recently publicize a plan on immigration, but so far he hasn't said anything other than that he will be the greatest president that the world has ever seen.
No she doesn't. Not the way she's coming across currently. Maybe the uninformed middle, but not the middle.
His appeal is that he is not a career politician and he also is a person who gets things done. He also says what is on the minds of many people. His comments about China and Mexican taking American jobs is correct. His comment about Zuckerbergs stance on immigration taking American jobs is also correct. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why Zuckerberg is pushing his position. Trumps position on the Middle East is clear. Maybe you have missed what has said about his positions.
I guess I have. (I don't mean that to sound dickish, if it does) I understand the appeal of not being a career politician, but Fiorina would fit that description as well. Yeah, he has gotten things done, but what does he know about the military or foreign policy and foreign relations. What is giving people any indication whatsoever that he will be able to work with anybody? I see exactly the opposite. He criticizes everybody, diminishes McCain's service, publishes Grahams phone number, etc.
Honestly, he's just a very rich, emotionally undeveloped petulant child.
He was at least in the Senate before being President where all of those kinds of issues are discussed.
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Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.[93] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[94] He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.[95] As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian National Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he condemned corruption within the Kenyan government"
However, that's really irrelevant because Trump isn't running against Obama. Secondly, if you're going to claim that Obama didn't have that experience, and then also bemoan his record on everything, then perhaps that should be a learning experience in itself. i.e. If he screwed it up so much, perhaps we shouldn't elect somebody else with no experience in those areas again.
It was his lack in experience as a leader, as an executive, that bothered many. Not how much experience he had in sitting on some committee for 2 years. He literally came onto the scene in the 2000 Dem convention, as someone that had just been elected to Illinois Senate years earlier, then won a nasty election (where shady **** was pulled against his opponent) to get elected to the Senate, only to run for President shortly after.
Within 10 years he went from a small time state politician to President of the United States.
What is the #1 issue the country is facing? Trump has excelled in the world of business. The country is tired of GDP growth at 1-2%, and real unemployment at or above 10%. It shouldn't be hard to find people, voters, who are disappointed in government in total.
Now the question is business as usual or take the country and government back to the people? Most of the candidates who are leading Repubs are not product of DC. How hard can it be to realize career politicians will perpetuate the track we are now on. How many thinking people think the country, as a whole, can survive on the current trend?
Who really gives a damn? Recently heard that 18% of Repubs participated in last election. IMO, that response will greatly grow when people can see the opportunity to get the government back to what the Constitution requires. Very few think the generations that follow this will be better off. This (my) generation has been very selfish, and our children are going to have to pay our bill. That is sad. Generations before us left an improved world from what they found. Our generation is going to leave the world worse than we found. Sad.
For the record, that remains my personal assessment of Trump......but what if that isn't the case ?? What if these folks buying his "throw the bums out" message actually decide to vote for him in the primaries ?? I mean, at this point in the 2008 race, how electable was Obama considered to be (I honestly don't recall) ??
Of course, we're still 5+ months until primary season; meaning Trump has more than enough time to blow himself up like Bachmann and Cain and other GOP agitators of the recent past. But what seems to make Trump different than those others.....at least thus far.....is his ability to simply (and successfully) blast through the verbal screw-ups he's incapable of avoiding. And, while his current supporters just eat it up.....he seems to be drawing new ones at the same time.
But more important to this particular discussion, IMO; since he started dictating the Right-wing message on television, absolutely nobody has had the seeds to take on Roger Ailes. At worst, Trump (depending on one's viewpoint) has battled him thus far to a draw.....and at best, nailed him (and his blond 9PM bombshell) with a clean hay-maker.
So long as Trump is controlling Ailes.....or at least has him playing defense......he simply cannot be discounted (especially given the extent to which his non-political background is currently working for him). I wouldn't say I'm ready to put money on Trump; but I guarantee you I'm at least starting to pay attention to his entry in the Daily Racing Form
I agree with most of what you say, but the government world is vastly different than the business world. He can't just pass down directives and expect people to follow them, especially if he alienates BOTH sides of the aisle on the way to his presidency. A lot of private businesses become very profitable by shipping operations and/or manufacturing overseas, that's not good policy for the country as a whole.
People make the claim, correctly, that career politicians will maintain the status quo ... while simultaneously discounting Bernie Sanders because he wants to change things too much.
We have a couple of major problems. One, we've become an oligarchy driven by the big donors/lobbyists and not by the electorate. Second, the two sides are more divided than they've ever been. Maybe Trump can fix the first item ... maybe inadvertently fixes the second too just by uniting congress against him.
Well the Tea Party pretty much won't tolerate anyone who would compromise on anything. They want someone who falls on their sword over every issue no matter how the issue plays out nationally. That is what I meant when I said Trump was unelectable, he could still get the GOP nomination. And that is just my opinion, don't wanna debate anyone if they think he could win nationally. It's like a race to the right on most issues now in the primary. Can't imagine the Hispanic votes W got are coming back anytime soon and trying to defund planned parenthood and make no exceptions for rape or incest for abortion don't play out well for the womens vote either.
Yea, it's the Tea Party's fault.
They came about because of Obama and the DNC's actions.
So? They don't want anyone they elect to compromise which pretty much means they will get nothing in return. I didn't say anything was their fault.
What really did give rise to the TP? Really. It was my understanding that they wanted to return Republicans to Conservatives. Also that the original Party was comprised of Dems, Indys and Repubs. Ratio was about 10:25:65 respectfully. There was a desire to return to a two party system and to restrict the RHINOs from moving to far left/liberal. The Dems and media have tried to place them in a sub-human category. All libs seem to have become very proficient with the talking points provided.
Who has facts, not opinions, about the rise of the Tea Party?
Obviously you care a lot about Trump. Keep telling yourself he is "unelectable" nationally. I think you might be in for a big surprise. If Trump is the nominee, he beats Hillary in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania....... BINGO..... guess who is the new President.
No offense, but you're delusional. Florida will never vote for Trump. He won't win.
