Is a campaign genius. This is the most entertaining presidential campaign I've ever seen. Talk about a media fireball
Donald Trump
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It is fun to watch. Can't say he makes me excited about voting for him, but it is entertaining.
Let's be honest with each other. You aren't voting for anyone with an R after their name.
I think it makes complete sense to complain about the music the band is playing on the Titanic.
I think his ultimate goal is just to make sure the aliens don't ever try to contact us.
What issues were you seeking solutions to that were answered by the candidate who received your vote in the last two Presidential votes? R or D follow their(his) names? Who was the last vote in general that received your vote and had (R) following his name? That may help you a bit in truth telling.
If you think he's lying about voting on issues over party, why do you think he'd tell the truth about which candidates he has voted for in the past? The simple fact is that you have made up your mind about him. Over 40% of Americans now identify as independents, and that means that most of them don't toe some party line.
Not that you've said so, but I wouldn't assume that all or even most of those 40% are middle of the road.
According to Pew Research, the break out in 2014 was 39% I, 23% R, 32% D. That's leaves 6% as something else I guess, but I didn't see what that something else was. I'm assuming some split between Green, Constitutionalist, Libertarian, etc. If they just look at the lean of the person's politics, the break down is 39% R, 48% D. That leaves 12% that I would think you could probably call middle of the road. I'm assuming there that Green would likely be a lean to the D, Constitutionalist & Libertarian maybe a lean to the R. The 12% may not be based on a good assumption. I also don't know what constitutes a "lean", so it's a difficult thing to truly analyze based on the data I saw. Maybe some of those leans are more middle than others.
I would agree that the independents are a hard group to court as whole. I think you'll have a lot of different ideas in that group, and tons of different pet issues.
I would probably be an Independent in all actuality. The R's lose me on the religion stuff, and the D's lose me on almost everything from fiscal to defense.
Not that I'm condoning this behavior, but you have to realize that eventually Trump's stupid big mouth is going to get him in deep ****.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-death-threat-from-el-chapo’s-son’/ar-AAcVs1d
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-death-threat-from-el-chapo’s-son’/ar-AAcVs1d
A more simple fact is, what is your interest in our discussion. He is a big boy and we have had exchanges before and he is fairly sure of himself. I did not question his integrity. Previously he has made the same claim and I do not detect a conservative note in any of his offerings. He has not discussed when he voted conservative, I was just offering him another chance to divulge a repub he has voted for. I think he may have divulged a vote for a non- dem nor repub - possibly a 3rd party.
If yours hasn't done the trick for you, I feel pretty safe with The Donald.
My interest? It's a public forum. If you want a private conversation, email the guy. And if you say that someone needs help in truth telling, you are kind of questioning his integrity. I didn't think you meant it as an insult to him, and, even if you did, he can speak for himself on that point. My point was simply that lots of people are fiscally conservative but are turned off by the social message of some on the right. Others are in favor of a more balanced approach to solving the debt situation - last cycle every republican candidate said they would veto a budget that matched $1 in taxes for every $10 in cuts.
I'm speaking for myself here, but things like that are what give me the most trouble on the right. I don't mean to imply that the solutions on the left are better. I don't think we have a lot of people talking about solutions on either side. We have a lot of people looking for good sound bites, and that's what gets air time. Trump is a prime example of that.
I am not sure of your implications nor how you have connected your thoughts. $10 reduction in expenditures for $1 increase taxes. Accept or reject defines if you are a conservative/Republican. Hardly agree unless we also know what line items are involved. If I campaigned on zero tax increase, I would probably reject it. If you do not believe revenue is the problem, how could you increase taxes? Can the economy claim the transfers? Too many questions to blindly answer.
This was a debate question in August of 2011. If you were given a deficit reduction package that offered a 10-to-1 ratio of real spending cuts to tax increases, would you veto it. All 8 candidates at that debate raised their hands. I've attached a link to a story about that moment of that debate, and it includes a video clip of the question and response.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/tentoone_isnt_good_enough_for031484.php
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/tentoone_isnt_good_enough_for031484.php
I'm very much Libertarian other than I believe we actually have a duty as one of the world's superpowers to intervene militarily if needed but certainly diplomatically.
Mostly I just think the whole system is broken. I'm not wild about any of the options but I'm certainly more willing to swallow the religion nonsense than I am anything on the Liberal side. Mostly because there are enoug checks in place to keep the zealots from doing anything meaningful which would inhibit fair treatment.
Now that gays have the legal right to get married I really don't place a lot of emphasis on social issues. Those are a sideshow to real problems with the economy and defense of this country. As I've said before, I'm not one to ***** about the music selection by the band on the titanic.
Move me from the "Lol is really happening?" To "holy **** is this really happening" camp on the success of the Trump campaign
We have semi-argued about a few things, but at the core it seemed more splitting hairs and on many of the issues we have basically the same viewpoint. I have made it known over and over again that I am independent, but if there is any party I identify with over the others, it is Libertarian. I don't fully align with them either though.
I do believe we have a duty to intervene militarily, but we also need to have a budget that reflects those costs so we don't drive up so much debt.
The whole system is broken because we've become more of an oligarchy with the big businesses and lobbyists donations controlling our "leadership".
There are always the sideshows. Every single election cycle there is some kind of social issue that comes to the forefront that distracts from everything else.
Through reading your responses over the last couple of months I've come to think we're pretty much in-line on most things.
Also agree with you on the budget.