That's not self-evident, you'd have to prove that. A program that was caught abusing kids was able to hire a hot name. People have short memories, especially when there's millions involved.
Colorado will be TERRIBLE
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How young are you? You seem like an instant gratification kind of guy. Not sure why there needs to be wholesale changes mid season to suit your desires, but you will never see it happen. Not at NU, not anywhere else.
I’m guessing you would like to see Raiola, the kid (wr coach, name escapes me) and maybe Barthel go… how will that make us better now? Who do we elevate to take those positions over? I don’t see the upside. At all. If changes need to be made, they will at the end of the season.
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Really it is just one qualifier. HC in his 1st year at a new school with a staff he hired. You were confident that it has happened before. I cannot think of a situation where a coach in his 1st year fired a coach midseason for performance.
the poster I responded to didn't have your qualifiers, he was just talking about firing a coach mid-season, which I said is done....and it does happen, probably every year. You added the first year coach stuff.
I just really don't think in 2023 there's any reason to have a 5 year plan. You don't have to win a championship in your first year but you can't do the same things the guy that just got fired was doing. Not for 8-9 million a year, the state and AD isn't running a charity and people should stop with the "we're just lucky to have _______" attitude. Putting up with it for the kind of dollars being paid and in the year we're in with the easiest schedule we're ever going to have is foolishness.
Of course Raiola should be gone, he was here for one reason only and it looks like it's not going to happen. Jury is still out on the other 2, but the OL coach should have zero latitude. To whom much is given, much is expected, we can no longer say that we want to win titles but conduct ourselves with low standards...the two things aren't compatible.
Correct, or more precisely you need 9 months and a 3 year plan. You have to win now to get recruits and because of the new transfer rules keep whatever talent you have in the program, while also planning how you'll get a conference championship or you'll be out on your butt in a few years if you're at a "blue blood". If you can't win right away, people will jump ship. There's no patience anymore, you can sit around and whine about it or adjust to the new reality.
No where did I say a 5 year plan. You came up with that all on your own. But I do think a 6 game plan is ludicrous.
How do you sell Nebraska to prospective coaches? “We’re excited to have you on board! But if you don’t meet expectations, don’t expect to stay through your first season.”
Doesn’t that sound crazy to you? Or am I missing something?
Correct. Win or leave, too much at stake, money and otherwise, at this point. You earn the right to have a bad season now, you don't get to have a bad season first. You think Ryan Day would survive a losing season right now? Lincoln Riley? Venebales barely survived his first year, barely...if we was headed for a second losing season right now the Sooners would have dumped him. Orgeron was out less than 2 years after winning a national title. That's a national title winning coach and they wouldn't put up with it. Or, you can be the Minnesotas, Kansas States, Arizona's of the world. The problem is we talk and spend money like we're the OSU, Oklahoma, and Bama but behave like we're Missouri and we're just happy to be here. You have some pride and standards and people you're paying multi-million dollar contracts each year either rise to meet them or they're shown the door. That's how big boys do it. I'm not paid to hire the coaches at NU and sell them on working there, but if someone wants to give me 1.5m a year to do it I will.
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You are not very bright, I don’t believe they would give you more than $5 a year. Where do you come up with these comparisons? Ryan Day is in his 5th season at OSU, he took over a team that’s previous 7 seasons had a 14 win season, a 13 win season, four 12 win seasons, and a 11 win season. Of course he would catch some heat if he had a losing season, he took over an elite team that was always in the title discussion. Matt Rhule has taken over a team that has had 6 straight losing seasons and 7 losing seasons out of the last 8. That’s like giving a guy a ‘78 Pinto with a 140 Cu.In. Inline 4 and asking him why he didn’t perform as well in the quarter mile as the guy driving the ‘68 Malibu SS with the 396 Cu.In. V8 Big Block.
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Almost by definition, Rhule is doing the exact opposite of what Frost tried to do.
Carry on…
You guys still have that loser mentality, too bad it's infected the AD as well or we wouldn't have to go through this. Hawk got one thing right: go play intramurals brother.
You serious about all this? This feels like some sort of high-level troll job. well done.
No troll here. The surprising thing for me is for a lot of years I thought it was a problem with our leadership, but it goes a lot deeper than that. Just reading the comments here you can tell people aren't serious about winning anything. As long as the stadium is full and you get to have a few pops at the tailgate everything is hunky dory. It's the same attitude the Cubs had for decades. I get it, winning things is hard and people might not like you because of what you have to do to win, but this program has rolled over and given up..fanbase included. Just keep those Big 10 checks coming in and it's all good.
A little balance is needed. On the one hand, I can see some of your points. But you don’t can coaches after 6 games. I have never seen that, anywhere, ever, unless there is some impropriety going on. We aren’t going to be the ones to start this trend. If so, once again, who would want to coach here if they know they could be canned before their first season is over? You still haven’t addressed this thought and how ludicrous it is.
I know you would rather not give any time to see if they can turn it around. You have already seen enough. But that’s not how the world works. And you can say that this stuff happens all the time, but Tuco has asked for specific examples, which you can’t seem to provide. Maybe it hasn’t happened as often as you think it does.
It's not personal, and it's not all his fault, but its not 6 months, its 20 years. It can't go on anymore, there are real world consequences that are going to start happening as support dries up and more realignment takes place that leaves Nebraska out. We're in crisis mode here fighting for our future. We can argue all day about how we got here and who was responsible but it doesn't make any difference, what matters is now. If someone isn't a competitor and doesn't want a 10 million a year job that comes with expectations, hit the bricks.
I don’t understand tying the last 20 years to Rhule. Rhule is working his butt off to turn things around. It’s certainly possible (likely even?) that he brought in some coaches that aren’t going to work out. I expect they will be short timers if so. But we can’t demand mid season firings in his first year. That’s unrealistic in every sense of the word.
My guess is you aren’t sold on Rhule and think the AD made a mistake. That’s fine if you think that. But blaming Rhule for not immediately turning around the last 20 years is just silly.
You're not guessing. I've stated many times I didn't want Rhule, he was way down on my list. Why would you not expect immediate results with the price we are paying? That salary isn't because he's a nice guy, it's because he's got massive expectations. Don't cash the checks if you don't want that, this isn't Hastings College.
how many coaches would take the job if they were demanded to win day 1? We would get another Callahan situation.
The number of coaches who could provide immediate results can be counted on a shop teacher’s hand (2, in you were wondering). Even Saban went 7-6 his first year at Bama. Deion showed what can happen with the transfer portal, and even he will be lucky to make a bowl game this year. You aren’t being realistic.
The guy is being overly emotional, acting like he is suffering like a battered wife.
You've got it backwards, you're the battered wives that think you don't deserve better. It's time to kick the deadbeats to curb...drop these zeros and get with some heros.
I'm sorry you don't think Nebraska deserves better, this is obviously systemic and the problem I am highlighting.
at this point in time, you have to face reality. Nebraska isn't currently a 10 like it once was. You cant go around demanding to be treated as a 10 just because you were hot in your 20s.
If the program wasn't acting like it was 10: overpaying for a coach, building 100's of millions in facilities, asking the fans to continue to pay and support the mess, I would agree with you. But someone wants their cake and to eat it too, they want recognition for being a 10, without the responsibility. That's not acceptable.
Name names of legitimate candidates who would come to Nebraska. Seriously. Rhule was way down on your list, who was ahead of him?
I'm retired now but if you paid me 1.5 to do the job I'll figure it out, I'm not hiring people so it's not my responsibility. One guy I really liked was Leipold, and he absolutely would have come, in fact he was waiting for the call. Obviously, the first call would be to Urban to make him say no, it's not realistic but for what you're trying to do you make the call.
For what it’s worth, I think Leipold was an intriguing candidate. But he’s older as well, not sure how much is left in the tank. Having said that, he could coach for another 10-15 years, which would mean he would have been fine here.
I think more highly of Rhule than you do. I think he will get it done here. It won’t be overnight, but I don’t think Leipold would have done it overnight either.
I wonder if Leipold was the guy now and sitting at 3-3 like Rhule, what would you be typing these last few days? I’m guessing it would be different…
There’s a chance that Rhule can really impress me yet this season. If we can play fundamentally sound, see some freshmen flash, get to a bowl game, and trend upward, there will be some tangible off-season momentum. That could translate into more focus, dedication and unity from the returning players. And more interest from better portal and HS players.
