Watching this clip actually shows some progress for HH in the throwing game. The delivery being a little low, but didn't look too bad when you look at it play by play.
Haarburg Throwing Against Michigan
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Yep. Also noticed he didn't seem to stare down the receiver as bad as he had done in the previous games. He's obviously made a little bit of a jump in the passing game as he has got more experience.
Biggest concern is tipped or knock down passes at the line of scrimmage…
Washington to be targeted more helping Kemp getting doubled teamed..
Washington to be targeted more helping Kemp getting doubled teamed..
Agreed, the progress has been noticeable and Michigan was his best game throwing. Batted balls are easily corrected. Started to look at 2nd read. Made a couple good throw away decisions. Climbed the pocket.
Getting to his 3rd read and moving safeties with his eyes look to be the obvious next step. Those are difficult ones. Hopefully by the last 3-4 games we'll start to see it.
Getting to his 3rd read and moving safeties with his eyes look to be the obvious next step. Those are difficult ones. Hopefully by the last 3-4 games we'll start to see it.
I know we got down early but overall I have been surprised on how much shotgun we have done this year.
Good effort on HH's part. Hate that little side-arm throw from the waist though!
Don’t know if those mechanics should be messed with mid season, but he’s always gonna have issues with batted balls if he doesn’t change his throwing motion. Will always struggle with accuracy on his deep balls as well. (with his current throwing mechanics)
I can't believe his coaches growing up didn't correct that and after 2 full years at UNL he still has such a low throwing slot - unless he has some physical limitations that keeps him from releasing higher. Perhaps coaches in Lincoln previously didn't think he was worth the work to fix it? I hope they do now. Agree, however, you can't fix it during the season, if it can even be fixed at this point.
not just coaches who didn't think he was worth it
a poster here still believes having him on the team is a mistake
Goodness. He’s got the lowest release point of any thrower not named Dan Quisenberry. That’s not to say he can’t be an effective passer but it does lead to more batted passes. He needs open throwing lanes in his line more so than a 6-3 guy who comes over the top.
Are you arguing with yourself? The thread is about the progress he has made and now you are trying to spin something that isn't there. As I stated in another follow up, HH has made a lot of progress in a couple of games throwing the ball and isn't staring down receivers. Sheesh man.. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
he will never admit anything about HH.
only point out flaws and detract.
he's too dug in.
backhanded compliments are the best you'll get.
You literally have the dumbest hot takes on the quarterback on this board. Take a lap.
it's literally personal.
he's been laughing at the prospect of Haarberg playing since 2021. championing purdy as "someone we can win with" for 10+ months.
can't turn back now lest he (gasp!) admits he was wrong, which he's clearly incapable of doing.
From The Atlantic today:
Nebraska doesn’t want to change his motion. In fact, Rhule and Satterfield are fine with Haarberg’s throwing motion. Not necessarily everything about the sidearm delivery is ideal, but his overall mechanics impressed the coaches immediately last winter.
When Michigan defensive linemen came at Haarberg last week with raised arms, it was the first time he’d seen that in a game. Remember his inexperience. He adjusted after the early interception, which came on a tipped ball, and threw accurately into the second half. Still, Rhule said, Haarberg must throw through windows at times, a common practice at high levels of the game.
Nebraska doesn’t want to change his motion. In fact, Rhule and Satterfield are fine with Haarberg’s throwing motion. Not necessarily everything about the sidearm delivery is ideal, but his overall mechanics impressed the coaches immediately last winter.
When Michigan defensive linemen came at Haarberg last week with raised arms, it was the first time he’d seen that in a game. Remember his inexperience. He adjusted after the early interception, which came on a tipped ball, and threw accurately into the second half. Still, Rhule said, Haarberg must throw through windows at times, a common practice at high levels of the game.
What I do respect about Rhule is he has made the switch - granted the injury helped the decision but Sims is healthy now.
I would not be surprised to see a QB rotation of sorts. We will see. HH is obviously the better ball protector and has the higher ceiling. But I’m guessing Rhule feels Sims didn’t represent himself well the first couple of games and will want to give him an opportunity for redemption.
I’m sure he’ll take us to a conference championship. He should be the model for every QB we recruit.
I am going to bring up two play on that video, and one final comment after these two plays
- 0:12 mark... That may have been a completed pass, but that play will justify my final comment. His footwork and release point on that play CANNOT get any worse. It is headache material for me.
- 1:24 mark... This play gives me a little hope that he can figure it out, but he has got to do more with his footwork in general to get more consistent. It is no where near where it needs to be to be the STARTING quarterback for the University of Nebraska.
Final comment is this. Until his fixes his release point nothing else matters. You can't have 4 balls batted down on 20 throws. His decision making may get better, but teams are going to eat that release point and footwork up ALL YEAR. I am not going to sugar coat his deficiencies
still believe he shouldn’t even be on the team, I see.I’m sure he’ll take us to a conference championship. He should be the model for every QB we recruit.
Still standing by your statement from the spring “he has no chance to play this fall”, somehow, also
Meanwhile purdy has been reduced to carrying HH’s jock, despite your calls for him as recently as the CU game - “I would go with experience”.
Two things Dingle will never admit to regardless of how much contrary data there is:
1) Haarberg is a good QB.
2) The Covid shot does more harm than good.
I KID! about #1.......maybe.
He is very unlikely to "fix" his release point mid-season. That is like asking a MLB pitcher to change his delivery. Takes a hell of a long time to reprogram your muscle memory.
I am not a division 1 QB coach like most of the people who have posted in this thread, so bear with me.
While hard to tell from the clips but on the plays where he is not running for his life and trying to avoid a sack, how much higher should his release point be? Seems like he is releasing from about ear level (does that tend to make longer distant throws sail higher?) and most advocating for just above ear level? That seems like 2-3 inches more than he currently does (that’s what she said). Balls getting batted down at the LOS seem more likely caused by passing lanes as opposed to throwing motion. Is that mostly true?
Release point and footwork (i.e. “mechanics”) seem impacted the further away the target is. Kind of like putting in golf. You can get away with a poor stroke on shorter putts, and maybe even short-medium putts, but not going to be highly successful consistently on medium-long and long putts.
While hard to tell from the clips but on the plays where he is not running for his life and trying to avoid a sack, how much higher should his release point be? Seems like he is releasing from about ear level (does that tend to make longer distant throws sail higher?) and most advocating for just above ear level? That seems like 2-3 inches more than he currently does (that’s what she said). Balls getting batted down at the LOS seem more likely caused by passing lanes as opposed to throwing motion. Is that mostly true?
Release point and footwork (i.e. “mechanics”) seem impacted the further away the target is. Kind of like putting in golf. You can get away with a poor stroke on shorter putts, and maybe even short-medium putts, but not going to be highly successful consistently on medium-long and long putts.
I’d like to see more designed throws from outside the pocket. Bootlegs, RPO rollouts and/or traditional option passes. This could really help with batted balls and most young QB see the field better outside the pocket. Could also slow down a team’s interior pass rush a bit.
AT THE TIME I QUESTIONED us offering him the QB room was pretty stocked it APPEARED. My point at the time was about taking a fall back plan B guy when Frost’s first choices all said no. Hell he wasn’t even a plan B based on the other guys who turned Frost down. Thank God I guess we have him now because multiple people I trust the opinion of say the whole room sucks.