There’s been a clear top 1 of 2 for a decade straight
Finishing 5th is the same as finishing 12th
And there’s obviously a clear #1 conference by a hundred thousand miles
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Finishing 5th is the same as finishing 12th
And there’s obviously a clear #1 conference by a hundred thousand miles
Your second paragraph proves my point. Some SEC schools get punished for playing in a tough conference. Why should a suspect TCU team get a bye because they play in a weaker conference?
The only way a big 12 team would ever finish 1 or 2 is to go 13-0, in which case they’d have earned it
If they do go 13-0 along with a ND squad, but Bama has one loss due to a conference championship game? Yeah, I would be peeved if I were Bama in that scenario.
Why would ND get a bye they don’t play in a conference.and don’t have to win an extra game.
Can you read, I said more than 2 losses. Kansas State won the big 12 with 3 losses and were 8th. I don’t believe a team like that deserves a shot.
An undefeated ND wouldn't get the #1 or #2 seed over a 1 loss SEC, BIG 10, Big 12, ACC or PAC 12 school?
Maybe they wouldn't, but it would be no surprise if they did.
11 seasons ago
And their semis loss doomed them
I’m not really sure what you’re arguing at this point
Well I'm debating 2 different people on 2 slightly different things, but I'm using what you said to help my argument with the other guy.
ND was #1 in 2012. Had there been this 12 team playoff back then, it'd be dumb that they got a bye week.
Just read up on the rules.
The four highest-ranked conference champions receive a first-round bye.
My goodness, this makes the 12 team CFP format so stupid. If you're gonna have byes, at least give it to the top 4 team regardless of conference.
The four highest-ranked conference champions receive a first-round bye.
My goodness, this makes the 12 team CFP format so stupid. If you're gonna have byes, at least give it to the top 4 team regardless of conference.
I get what you’re saying
I brought it up before and will say it again because it’s related:
Along with expanded playoff will come another version of college football RPI. It can be no other way.
The AP Poll should either be abolished or not come out until mid-Oct. the uneducated lazy dweeb media are responsible for most (all?) the irregularities you’re talking about
Absolutely, and just to satisfy the crowd that think conf titles should matter…….conf champs can receive an auto bid to the playoff field, but by no means should they get an automatic bye.
I was talking in a 12-team playoff where it's 12 at 5, 11 at 6, 10 at 7, and 9 at 8.
How long have you been watching college football? By the end of Thanksgiving weekend, there's almost always a clear top 2. Since 2000, I can only think of two seasons where #3 had somewhat of an argument.
If you want expanded playoffs, just say it. Don't make stuff up.
There will be upsets and people will whine that the best team didn’t win. This is solely done for the money and gambling. Fine here!
Waited for DECADES and I am SO glad CF finally has a playoff, and the more teams the better. Those who whine for the good ole days when reporters and goofs voted for the best (so again, was it Michigan or Nebraska in '97)? Bowl games decide nothing, and are mere money making pairoffs. Everyone gets their little trophy and more practice days. To say playoffs wreck the regular season is just a clingy, faded old belief system. I don't see how the NBA Nuggets/Miami run did anything to ruin anyone's seasons but those they beat. Isn't that what sports is about, winning? So 12 or 16 playoff makes for a lot of top tier football, as decades of loading the schedule with B teams is just old hat (does make those smaller schools some money though). The changes are having effect too...for once, the NorthEast and other parts of the US are starting to watch and love CF. Long overdue. Playoffs didn't hurt or diminish NFL, MLB, NBA or NHL. Just made them more popular. Again, long overdue for CF, which can & should be the BEST.
Haven't posted in a long time, but years ago I brought this up. Need to again.
There was a time when the traditional grandaddy of bowl games DUMPED college football for something possibly more lucrative; Chariot Racing! Yeah, we own THAT bowl system our loyalty, NOT.
There was a time when the traditional grandaddy of bowl games DUMPED college football for something possibly more lucrative; Chariot Racing! Yeah, we own THAT bowl system our loyalty, NOT.
All records are pre-bowl games;
2000:
#1 Oklahoma (12-0)
#2 Miami (11-1)
#3 Florida St (11-1)
#4 Washington (10-1)
- Who's the clear #2?
2001:
#1 Miami (11-0)
#2 Nebraska (11-1)
#3 Colorado (10-2)
#4 Oregon (10-1)
- We all remember this. Oregon makes a strong case for #2 spot with only 1 loss with Nebraska. Two years in a row here, not a clear top 2 (top 1 for sure, but not top 2).
2002:
#1 Miami (12-0)
#2 Ohio St (13-0)
#3 Iowa (11-1)
#4 Georgia (12-1)
- Clear cut, I agree.
2003:
#1 Oklahoma (12-1)
#2 LSU (12-1)
#3 USC (11-1)
- No clear top 2.
2004:
#1 USC (12-0)
#2 Oklahoma (12-0)
#3 Auburn (12-0)
- No clear top 2.
2005:
#1 USC (12-0)
#2 Texas (12-0)
#3 Penn St (10-1)
- Clear cut, I agree, though this PSU team was actually really good.
2006:
#1 Ohio St (12-0)
#2 Florida (12-1)
#3 Michigan (11-1)
- Who's the clear top 2 here? Michigan's only loss was to #1 Ohio St by only 3 in the BIG CCG. They'd make a good argument for still being in the top 2.
2007:
#1 Ohio St (11-1)
#2 LSU (11-2)
#3 VaTech (11-2)
#4 Oklahoma (11-2)
#5 Georgia (10-2)
#6 Missouri (11-2)
#7 USC (10-2)
#8 Kansas (11-1)
#9 WVU (10-2)
- Definitely no clear top 2 here.
So you tell me, in the years 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 which of the #3 ranked teams had no argument of being considered #2? Just think if we added years 2008-2022, haha!
I'm all for playoffs and I'm not making anything up to make my point valid. You don't have to agree with me, that's fine, but I'm hardly "making things up" as I'm showing from 2000-2007 seasons there have been exactly 2 seasons (2002 & 2005) where there have been a clear top 2 teams.
In my perfect college football playoff world there would be an 8-team playoff, no 1st round bye, no conference championship automatic bid crap, you take the top 8 after CCG and go from there.
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I'll do one more year;
2008:
#1 Oklahoma (12-1) - Lost to Texas by 10
#2 Florida (12-1)
#3 Texas (11-1) - Lost on a last play vs TTech, beat OU
#4 Alabama (12-1) - Lost to Florida in SEC CCG
#5 USC (11-1)
#6 Utah (12-0)
#7 Texas Tech (11-1) - Lost to #1 OU, beat Texas.
#8 Penn St (11-1) - :01 second away from going undefeated prior to their bowl game Sick
I'm feeling there hasn't been a clear top 2 in most years since 2000 unless 2009-2022 are way different than most years since 2000.
Going 13-0 in the new Big 12 wouldn't be much more impressive than going 13-0 in the AAC.
the B1G champ couldn't hold a lead over the 2nd place team from the new Big 12 for a single second on the national stage
another feelings-driven post from the current title holder in such endeavors
I totally agree with this… Why doesn’t the planners of this playoff system have the same idea..
Except Alabama, because they aren't just the best team, but the best team ever....every year.
I struggle with automatic bids even. One of these years, a crappy team from a crappy division is going to upset a good team in a CCG and will take the playoff spot of a more deserving team.
Like if 2018 Pitt Panthers (7-5) upset #2 Clemson. Clemson still gets into the playoffs with a loss, but Pitt would've taken a the place of some 9-3 team (probably Penn St that year who was in the same division as Michigan & Ohio St).
I understand what you are saying... That you can't lose...but it means less games matter not more...because if you start out the season 1-2, none of your games the rest of the way matter.
A sport season to me is how a team grows and gets better...just because a team goes 11-1 and plays a soft schedule doesn't mean they are better than a 8-4 team that played tough games all year.
I prefer a system that rewards winning conferences or some sort of divisions system.
With expanded playoffs, I think the regular season will be much more interesting...you might have 35 teams still fighting for a spot in the play off going into November...whereas now you might have 10 teams fighting for a spot.
That means you might have 25 games that matter on a any weekend instead of 5.
Good point. Also in basketball, NCAA expanded March Madness from 48 to 64 and then the 65th team was angry about not getting in. Then expanded to 68 due to.... well, it could be any number of silly reasons.
There's always going to be teams that don't have a chance (or haven't earned it) that ***** about not making the playoffs regardless. If Alabama goes 9-3 and doesn't make the 12 team playoffs one year, there will be a big stink about it. But a 9-3 record with the way the SEC schedules really just means that they went .500 playing against good competition. Should a team with a huge talent advantage that goes 3-3 against decent teams deserve to go?
Other side to the argument only focuses on the elite teams. You are correct in saying that more playoff spots means more teams have a chance. But college football used to be about something more than just the national title. The "Games of the Year". Teams played for conference championships. Rivalry games at the end of the season. There used to be half as many bowl games so making a bowl game was a big deal.
You're right that late in the season more games will matter, but they won't matter much.
To me, that is the best part of the whole playoff...you find a way to win your conference based on whatever your conference rule is...and you get to the playoff. I see it as a feature not a bug.
They don't really matter at all now. The biggest farce is that All games matter in college football....yeah, 8-3 Purdue vs 8-3 indiana doesn't matter, but if one has a chance to make their conference championship game...it is a big deal in a playoff with automatic bids for conference champs.
By the time we get this playoff going the top 2 teams in the conference will be playing in the CCG..
No longer divisions to have 8-4 division winner against 11-1 division winner..
I was going to write something similar. Assuming all leagues follow the lead of the SEC and the B1G and have no divisions, the CCGs will be between a couple of undefeated teams or maybe 1 loss teams.
Where you will find the bickering will be between the 2 and 3 loss SEC teams and 1 and 2 loss Big 12, ACC and to an extent B1G teams fighting for the at large spots
I remember this happening my senior year of high school in fall of 82. Playoff took the 6 district champions and the next 2 wild card teams based on points. We had higher points than 4 district champions IIRC but were 3rd in wild card points. Only loss was to our district champ and eventual state champions. And yes they were good.....Lawrence