I wouldn't have him in my top choices. But He's better than you give him credit for I think. 7 of his 13 losses came in his first season at Min.He is a self-promoting used care salesman that turned an 8-win team into an 8-win team and can't stop telling everyone how dam special he is for doing it. I love this program, but that guy would be impossible for me to support.
It's odd that people would not want guys like Ruhle, Campbell, and Kleiman that actually turned around programs, but think little PJ would be a good choice.
| 1992–96 | Jim Wacker | 5 | 16–39 | .291 |
| 1997–2006 | Glen Mason | 10 | 64–57 | .535 |
| 2007–10 | Tim Brewster | 4 | 15–30 | .333 |
| 2010 | Jeff Horton | 1 | 2–3 | .400 |
| 2011–15 | Jerry Kill | 5 | 29–29 | .500 |
| 2015–16 | Tracy Claeys | 2 | 11–8 | .579 |
| 2017–Present | P.J. Fleck | 3 | 20–13 | .606 |
I wouldn't have him in my top choices. But He's better than you give him credit for I think. 7 of his 13 losses came in his first season at Min.
1992–96 Jim Wacker 5 16–39 .291 1997–2006 Glen Mason 10 64–57 .535 2007–10 Tim Brewster 4 15–30 .333 2010 Jeff Horton 1 2–3 .400 2011–15 Jerry Kill 5 29–29 .500 2015–16 Tracy Claeys 2 11–8 .579 2017–Present P.J. Fleck 3 20–13 .606
60%>55%Now compare PJ to what Matt Campbell did at Iowa State:
Campbell's 6 years at ISU 42-34 (55%)
6 years before Campbell 25-49 (34%)
60%>55%
That 9-4 and 11-2 in the last 4 years look pretty good to me. Covid year was BS and we all no that 1st years are tough.
I like Matt Campbell too.
No objective reason. Just a gut feeling. None of them wow me for some reason. I know that is bogus but it is how I feel.Why not Campbell, Klieman, or Fickel? All seem like pretty safe bets and young enough to stay and build something.
Great post, but one question. Why not Fickell?
I don’t think he would stay here long. I don’t think he would view Nebraska as a long term job. If Notre Dame came a callin I think he would bolt.Great post, but one question. Why not Fickell?
Stoops makes 6.35 then it goes up to 7.6Why would Stoops leave KY?
I think we are kicking to the curb a lot of coaches that came in at bad situations or are at mediocre schools who have improved things to the point of getting 7-9 win seasons - while those records are not the ultimate goal at NU there is a chance they could take the next step at NU with improved resources, money etc. If not you are certainly in a better situation to get the next guy being a perennial 8-9 win programNo objective reason. Just a gut feeling. None of them wow me for some reason. I know that is bogus but it is how I feel.
He's is watching the Cowboys and McCarthy go down in flamesIf we're throwing names out there... what's Sean Payton upto these days?![]()
Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?I think we are kicking to the curb a lot of coaches that came in at bad situations or are at mediocre schools who have improved things to the point of getting 7-9 win seasons - while those records are not the ultimate goal at NU there is a chance they could take the next step at NU with improved resources, money etc. If not you are certainly in a better situation to get the next guy being a perennial 8-9 win program
KSU-ISU are examples of the above
I don’t think we are getting a proven power 5 coach who is already winning at the ultimate level we expect
we need someone who has taken a losing or .500 team and improved from there and hope they can make the leap from good to very good at NU
Since we are using a sample size of 1Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?
Saban was an exception to the rule. Usually you are what your record says you are.Since we are using a sample size of 1
Nick Saban in his 5 years at MSU had conference finishes of
5th
5th
6th
6th
2nd
before moving on and winning a national title at LSU
AND in a split loyalty state and the little brother vs Minnesota only game in state basically......except for Minnesota St and the fighting Hayden fox'sYes, 60 is greater than 55, but PJ took over a team already winning at that clip. Campbell took over a team that had won 3, 2, and 3 games the previous three seasons.
Plus it is way less likely that Campbell has a bunch of human heads somewhere in his house. I mean would it really surprise anyone at all to find out PJ is a serial killer?
That is if you think all schools are equalSaban was an exception to the rule. Usually you are what your record says you are.
You got to have talent as well as coaching. Obviously, Kansas and Arizona don't have the talent that Alabama has. However, let's say Nick Saban decides to go to Arizona and start coaching. He is going to bring a lot of talent into Arizona, his first couple of years might be tough, but I would say that by year 3, Saban would have them playing for a conference championship. He would probably have similar results at Kansas as he would at Arizona.That is if you think all schools are equal
that the only thing that separates Kansas-Syracuse and Arizona from Alabama-Georgia and Ohio st is the coach.
Bobby Bowden was a 4 loss+ coach before going to FSU
Jimmy Johnson averaged 5 losses and Les Miles 5+ before going to Miami and LSU
schools/programs have a ceiling
Are great coaches not alpha type a personalities? I mean, three ones who win are... So our money and history (even several decades removed) will still appeal to winners anyway.Who would want to coach at Nebraska? Money isn't everything. But to be under an intense microscope of criticism and know-it-all fan arm chair quarterbacks, its best they stay where they are...
Meh. I'd rather have his OC become our HC... That's just me personally.Would be people be willing to push all in for Aranda at Baylor?
In the neighborhood of 80 over 8?
Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?
I'm on the Aranda train. As long as he brings his OC with him. He might just get to Pelini W-L level but without the blowouts and bad attitude. Seems perfect for Nebraska.Would be people be willing to push all in for Aranda at Baylor?
In the neighborhood of 80 over 8?
Good solution - snag BOTHI'm on the Aranda train. As long as he brings his OC with him. He might just get to Pelini W-L level but without the blowouts and bad attitude. Seems perfect for Nebraska.
Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.
Unlike Campbell at ISU. Not that I'm sold on him as a candidate. I've read too many things about him being "content" with expectations at ISU with the money he's making to never have to be overly *great*. Kind of a red flag to me, but if he wasn't the content type after all, then I'd say snag him.
It's a low pressure job where the fans are happy if the coach wins 7-8 games per year.Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.
Unlike Campbell at ISU. Not that I'm sold on him as a candidate. I've read too many things about him being "content" with expectations at ISU with the money he's making to never have to be overly *great*. Kind of a red flag to me, but if he wasn't the content type after all, then I'd say snag him.
Ericson was willing to pay players.Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.
Basically:
Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
Oregon State was dreadful before Mike Riley. Mike made them respectable. Ericson came along and took Oregon State to the fiesta bowl, then he left and Mike Riley came back for a 2nd stint.Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.
Basically:
Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.
Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.
Basically:
Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
Part of the reason Ericson left was OSU was being investigated for paying recruits. Riley is a good guy who you would like your teenager to play for but a very average coach.Oregon State was dreadful before Mike Riley. Mike made them respectable. Ericson came along and took Oregon State to the fiesta bowl, then he left and Mike Riley came back for a 2nd stint.
One fact being left out I think was that Ericson bought a JUCO QB didn’t he?Gentleman, Google is your friend, stop making up your own facts. A simple search will give you everything you need to know.
Oregon St. (1965-96) 97 wins, 245 losses, and 7 ties. Winning percentage - 28%
Mike Riley (1997-98, 2003-14) 93 wins, 80 losses. Winning percentage - 54%
Dennis Erickson (1999-2002) 31 wins, 17 losses. Winning percentage - 65%. He went 11-1 in his second season, that means the juniors and seniors on that team would have been Riley recruits. Take that one season out he was 20-16, winning percentage - 56%.
Yes Minnesota wasn’t a dumpster fire when he took over.Minny football
2016 9-4 under Claeys
2017 5-7 PJ
2018 7-6 PJ
2019 11-2 PJ
2020 3-4 PJ
2021 9-4 PJ
Obviously better than us but, meh
Waiting for Jerry to Fire Mike Mc at Dallas so he can take over.If we're throwing names out there... what's Sean Payton upto these days?![]()
Gentleman, Google is your friend, stop making up your own facts. A simple search will give you everything you need to know.
Oregon St. (1965-96) 97 wins, 245 losses, and 7 ties. Winning percentage - 28%
Mike Riley (1997-98, 2003-14) 93 wins, 80 losses. Winning percentage - 54%
Dennis Erickson (1999-2002) 31 wins, 17 losses. Winning percentage - 65%. He went 11-1 in his second season, that means the juniors and seniors on that team would have been Riley recruits. Take that one season out he was 20-16, winning percentage - 56%.
Yep. This is the biggest thing in my eyes. We have to recruit. A lot of the names being discussed don't wow me on the recruiting front. Might be good head guys, but need a Dynamo recruiter.I question if Cambell can recruit well enough to Nebraska