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cavalot

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He is a self-promoting used care salesman that turned an 8-win team into an 8-win team and can't stop telling everyone how dam special he is for doing it. I love this program, but that guy would be impossible for me to support.

It's odd that people would not want guys like Ruhle, Campbell, and Kleiman that actually turned around programs, but think little PJ would be a good choice.
I wouldn't have him in my top choices. But He's better than you give him credit for I think. 7 of his 13 losses came in his first season at Min.

1992–96Jim Wacker516–39.291
1997–2006Glen Mason1064–57.535
2007–10Tim Brewster415–30.333
2010Jeff Horton12–3.400
2011–15Jerry Kill529–29.500
2015–16Tracy Claeys211–8.579
2017–PresentP.J. Fleck320–13.606
 

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Heisman
Feb 2, 2005
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I wouldn't have him in my top choices. But He's better than you give him credit for I think. 7 of his 13 losses came in his first season at Min.

1992–96Jim Wacker516–39.291
1997–2006Glen Mason1064–57.535
2007–10Tim Brewster415–30.333
2010Jeff Horton12–3.400
2011–15Jerry Kill529–29.500
2015–16Tracy Claeys211–8.579
2017–PresentP.J. Fleck320–13.606


Here is the last decade of Minnesota football, sure seems like the same team to me.

9-4
3-4
11-2
7-6
5-7
9-4
6-7
8-5
8-5
6-7

P.J.'s 5 years 35-23 (60%)
5 years before PJ 37-28 (57%)
 

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Heisman
Feb 2, 2005
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Now compare PJ to what Matt Campbell did at Iowa State:

Campbell's 6 years at ISU 42-34 (55%)
6 years before Campbell 25-49 (34%)
 

cavalot

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Now compare PJ to what Matt Campbell did at Iowa State:

Campbell's 6 years at ISU 42-34 (55%)
6 years before Campbell 25-49 (34%)
60%>55%

That 9-4 and 11-2 in the last 4 years look pretty good to me. Covid year was BS and we all no that 1st years are tough.

I like Matt Campbell too.
 

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60%>55%

That 9-4 and 11-2 in the last 4 years look pretty good to me. Covid year was BS and we all no that 1st years are tough.

I like Matt Campbell too.

Yes, 60 is greater than 55, but PJ took over a team already winning at that clip. Campbell took over a team that had won 3, 2, and 3 games the previous three seasons.

Plus it is way less likely that Campbell has a bunch of human heads somewhere in his house. I mean would it really surprise anyone at all to find out PJ is a serial killer?
 

Redmich

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Would be people be willing to push all in for Aranda at Baylor?

In the neighborhood of 80 over 8?
 

Redmich

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Why would Stoops leave KY?
Stoops makes 6.35 then it goes up to 7.6
Going to have to get to 10 to have a run at him
He and Calapari got into a bit of a spat a while ago when Cal reminded everyone that UK was a basketball school

Aranda I believe makes 6

Rhule 8.5 per year on a 7 year contract


to be top 5 in the Big ten you are going to have to go north of 6.5-7
 
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Redmich

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No objective reason. Just a gut feeling. None of them wow me for some reason. I know that is bogus but it is how I feel.
I think we are kicking to the curb a lot of coaches that came in at bad situations or are at mediocre schools who have improved things to the point of getting 7-9 win seasons - while those records are not the ultimate goal at NU there is a chance they could take the next step at NU with improved resources, money etc. If not you are certainly in a better situation to get the next guy being a perennial 8-9 win program

KSU-ISU are examples of the above

I don’t think we are getting a proven power 5 coach who is already winning at the ultimate level we expect

we need someone who has taken a losing or .500 team and improved from there and hope they can make the leap from good to very good at NU
 

moralvictories

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Jan 22, 2022
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I think we are kicking to the curb a lot of coaches that came in at bad situations or are at mediocre schools who have improved things to the point of getting 7-9 win seasons - while those records are not the ultimate goal at NU there is a chance they could take the next step at NU with improved resources, money etc. If not you are certainly in a better situation to get the next guy being a perennial 8-9 win program

KSU-ISU are examples of the above

I don’t think we are getting a proven power 5 coach who is already winning at the ultimate level we expect

we need someone who has taken a losing or .500 team and improved from there and hope they can make the leap from good to very good at NU
Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?
 

Redmich

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Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?
Since we are using a sample size of 1

Nick Saban in his 5 years at MSU had conference finishes of

5th
5th
6th
6th
2nd

before moving on and winning a national title at LSU
 

moralvictories

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Since we are using a sample size of 1

Nick Saban in his 5 years at MSU had conference finishes of

5th
5th
6th
6th
2nd

before moving on and winning a national title at LSU
Saban was an exception to the rule. Usually you are what your record says you are.
 

Duc748_rivals

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Feb 5, 2003
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Why not Tom Herman? While his stint in Texas wasn’t great, his teams were always pretty good , competitive , and he did improve on the disaster that was Charlie Strong.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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Yes, 60 is greater than 55, but PJ took over a team already winning at that clip. Campbell took over a team that had won 3, 2, and 3 games the previous three seasons.

Plus it is way less likely that Campbell has a bunch of human heads somewhere in his house. I mean would it really surprise anyone at all to find out PJ is a serial killer?
AND in a split loyalty state and the little brother vs Minnesota only game in state basically......except for Minnesota St and the fighting Hayden fox's
 

Redmich

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Saban was an exception to the rule. Usually you are what your record says you are.
That is if you think all schools are equal

that the only thing that separates Kansas-Syracuse and Arizona from Alabama-Georgia and Ohio st is the coach.

Bobby Bowden was a 4 loss+ coach before going to FSU
Jimmy Johnson averaged 5 losses and Les Miles 5+ before going to Miami and LSU

schools/programs have a ceiling
 

moralvictories

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That is if you think all schools are equal

that the only thing that separates Kansas-Syracuse and Arizona from Alabama-Georgia and Ohio st is the coach.

Bobby Bowden was a 4 loss+ coach before going to FSU
Jimmy Johnson averaged 5 losses and Les Miles 5+ before going to Miami and LSU

schools/programs have a ceiling
You got to have talent as well as coaching. Obviously, Kansas and Arizona don't have the talent that Alabama has. However, let's say Nick Saban decides to go to Arizona and start coaching. He is going to bring a lot of talent into Arizona, his first couple of years might be tough, but I would say that by year 3, Saban would have them playing for a conference championship. He would probably have similar results at Kansas as he would at Arizona.
 

BleedRed78

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Who would want to coach at Nebraska? Money isn't everything. But to be under an intense microscope of criticism and know-it-all fan arm chair quarterbacks, its best they stay where they are...
Are great coaches not alpha type a personalities? I mean, three ones who win are... So our money and history (even several decades removed) will still appeal to winners anyway.

And we shouldn't want non winners around here.
 

BleedRed78

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Wasn't that same line of logic used to justify hiring Mike Riley?
Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.

Unlike Campbell at ISU. Not that I'm sold on him as a candidate. I've read too many things about him being "content" with expectations at ISU with the money he's making to never have to be overly *great*. Kind of a red flag to me, but if he wasn't the content type after all, then I'd say snag him.
 

WHCSC

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Would be people be willing to push all in for Aranda at Baylor?

In the neighborhood of 80 over 8?
I'm on the Aranda train. As long as he brings his OC with him. He might just get to Pelini W-L level but without the blowouts and bad attitude. Seems perfect for Nebraska.
 

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Heisman
Feb 2, 2005
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Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.

Unlike Campbell at ISU. Not that I'm sold on him as a candidate. I've read too many things about him being "content" with expectations at ISU with the money he's making to never have to be overly *great*. Kind of a red flag to me, but if he wasn't the content type after all, then I'd say snag him.

Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.

Basically:

Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
 

moralvictories

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Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.

Unlike Campbell at ISU. Not that I'm sold on him as a candidate. I've read too many things about him being "content" with expectations at ISU with the money he's making to never have to be overly *great*. Kind of a red flag to me, but if he wasn't the content type after all, then I'd say snag him.
It's a low pressure job where the fans are happy if the coach wins 7-8 games per year.
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
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Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.

Basically:

Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
Ericson was willing to pay players.
 

moralvictories

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Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.

Basically:

Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better
Oregon State was dreadful before Mike Riley. Mike made them respectable. Ericson came along and took Oregon State to the fiesta bowl, then he left and Mike Riley came back for a 2nd stint.
 
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Riley never did anything more at Oregon State than what Oregon State already was used to achieving or achieves still to this day.


Yep. Ericson came before MR and won at a 65% clip. Riley won 54%, so he made OSU worse.

Basically:

Riley made OSU (and Nebraska) worse
PJ kept Minnesota the same
Campbell made ISU better


Gentleman, Google is your friend, stop making up your own facts. A simple search will give you everything you need to know.

Oregon St. (1965-96) 97 wins, 245 losses, and 7 ties. Winning percentage - 28%

Mike Riley (1997-98, 2003-14) 93 wins, 80 losses. Winning percentage - 54%

Dennis Erickson (1999-2002) 31 wins, 17 losses. Winning percentage - 65%. He went 11-1 in his second season, that means the juniors and seniors on that team would have been Riley recruits. Take that one season out he was 20-16, winning percentage - 56%.
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
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Oregon State was dreadful before Mike Riley. Mike made them respectable. Ericson came along and took Oregon State to the fiesta bowl, then he left and Mike Riley came back for a 2nd stint.
Part of the reason Ericson left was OSU was being investigated for paying recruits. Riley is a good guy who you would like your teenager to play for but a very average coach.
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
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Gentleman, Google is your friend, stop making up your own facts. A simple search will give you everything you need to know.

Oregon St. (1965-96) 97 wins, 245 losses, and 7 ties. Winning percentage - 28%

Mike Riley (1997-98, 2003-14) 93 wins, 80 losses. Winning percentage - 54%

Dennis Erickson (1999-2002) 31 wins, 17 losses. Winning percentage - 65%. He went 11-1 in his second season, that means the juniors and seniors on that team would have been Riley recruits. Take that one season out he was 20-16, winning percentage - 56%.
One fact being left out I think was that Ericson bought a JUCO QB didn’t he?
 

Headcard

Heisman
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Gentleman, Google is your friend, stop making up your own facts. A simple search will give you everything you need to know.

Oregon St. (1965-96) 97 wins, 245 losses, and 7 ties. Winning percentage - 28%

Mike Riley (1997-98, 2003-14) 93 wins, 80 losses. Winning percentage - 54%

Dennis Erickson (1999-2002) 31 wins, 17 losses. Winning percentage - 65%. He went 11-1 in his second season, that means the juniors and seniors on that team would have been Riley recruits. Take that one season out he was 20-16, winning percentage - 56%.

So exactly what I said Erickson won at a 65% clip and then Riley came in and won at a 54% clip. He did worse.
 

leodisflowers

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I question if Cambell can recruit well enough to Nebraska
Yep. This is the biggest thing in my eyes. We have to recruit. A lot of the names being discussed don't wow me on the recruiting front. Might be good head guys, but need a Dynamo recruiter.