“You’ve got to be a little creative in this league”
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Take a shot at your OC why don't you? Just not a good look from him. Probably overanalyzing but that is what it sounds like to me.
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Probably true, but I don't know why that statement needed to be made publicly. That's in-house stuff the staff needs to work on and refine as the season goes along.
He’s dumb. It’s not like he says this stuff with a deep and carefully calculated motive related to the big picture. He honestly has no clue what is going to come out when he opens his mouth. 4+ years of watching him say stupid nonsense, that’s all he’s got.
Throws his OC and new offensive assistants under the bus when those are the very same guys who are trying to save his job. Ridiculous.
It takes a special kind of person to go 10-25 in the conference and criticize his own coaches in their first game out.
It takes a special kind of person to go 10-25 in the conference and criticize his own coaches in their first game out.
Frost giving an opinion on what it takes to be successful in Big Ten. Could anything more worthless?
I do not think there is any doubt he was casting shade at Whipple. And with good reason in my view. Whipple's play calling in the run game was atrocious, with run after run between the tackles for no gain. Grant had one long run and that was it. We did run a few plays to the perimeter and they were more successful. Then Smothers comes in and runs one play well. And given the fact that NW could not handle our QB run game or our option game last year, then why the heck don't you leave him in and see if he could ignite a spark?
All that said, this is the very reason why Alberts laid a turd last year in not firing Frost then. By forcing him to hire new coaches and by in essence forcing him to give up his status as play caller, he has neutered his head coach precisely as a head coach. This ******** we have been reading about how the new offense would be a "meshing" of the Whipple and Frost offenses is nonsense, because what we saw yesterday was Whipple's offense entirely. For his entire career Frost has favored a zone-read offense with a dual threat QB. I actually like that offense and I think it works well when you have a better QB than the one we had and a better offensive line. Watching the more pro style offense of Whipple flounder in the second half must have been galling for Frost who probably felt like intervening but did not dare to lest he be accused of interfering in the play calling, which he had been forced to give up.
The entire situation is just dysfunctional as hell and is a recipe for more trouble. There is just a whole bad vibe surround the Whipple-Frost relationship which kind of smacks of an infantilized Frost taking orders from his elder statesman coach. When Whipple enters the press room there is a whole vibe of "finally, there is an adult in the room" and when Frost enters the vibe is "Oh here comes the spoiled, arrogant kid again."
Frost is a lousy head coach. He should have been fired. But his legacy as a Husker saved his ***. It is time to admit that the entire Devaney/Osborne thing is dead, dead, dead. It is time to stop these hires that try to relate us again to that era. And I include the hiring of Alberts in that as well. If Alberts can't find the balls to fire Frost then he should be fired too. Clean house and open the checkbook for a new AD and a new head football coach who know how to build a football program from scratch. Because that is where we are now. We need a complete reinvention of Husker football from the ground up. Because based on what I saw yesterday I see us going 2-10 or 3-9. And if that happens watch how fast our current recruiting class goes up in smoke and how many guys transfer out.
This dumpster fire was created by Steve Pederson and Sean Eichorst who both fired our only two successful coaches post Osborne. Were Pelini and Solich great coaches? No. But they were solid coaches. Neither one could compete against elite teams, but at least they beat the teams they should and got us to bowl games. Now we need an AD with some balls and some fire and a real vision. **** the sell out streak. **** the tunnel walk. **** the balloons. Find a coach and a staff who know how to build a program.
All that said, this is the very reason why Alberts laid a turd last year in not firing Frost then. By forcing him to hire new coaches and by in essence forcing him to give up his status as play caller, he has neutered his head coach precisely as a head coach. This ******** we have been reading about how the new offense would be a "meshing" of the Whipple and Frost offenses is nonsense, because what we saw yesterday was Whipple's offense entirely. For his entire career Frost has favored a zone-read offense with a dual threat QB. I actually like that offense and I think it works well when you have a better QB than the one we had and a better offensive line. Watching the more pro style offense of Whipple flounder in the second half must have been galling for Frost who probably felt like intervening but did not dare to lest he be accused of interfering in the play calling, which he had been forced to give up.
The entire situation is just dysfunctional as hell and is a recipe for more trouble. There is just a whole bad vibe surround the Whipple-Frost relationship which kind of smacks of an infantilized Frost taking orders from his elder statesman coach. When Whipple enters the press room there is a whole vibe of "finally, there is an adult in the room" and when Frost enters the vibe is "Oh here comes the spoiled, arrogant kid again."
Frost is a lousy head coach. He should have been fired. But his legacy as a Husker saved his ***. It is time to admit that the entire Devaney/Osborne thing is dead, dead, dead. It is time to stop these hires that try to relate us again to that era. And I include the hiring of Alberts in that as well. If Alberts can't find the balls to fire Frost then he should be fired too. Clean house and open the checkbook for a new AD and a new head football coach who know how to build a football program from scratch. Because that is where we are now. We need a complete reinvention of Husker football from the ground up. Because based on what I saw yesterday I see us going 2-10 or 3-9. And if that happens watch how fast our current recruiting class goes up in smoke and how many guys transfer out.
This dumpster fire was created by Steve Pederson and Sean Eichorst who both fired our only two successful coaches post Osborne. Were Pelini and Solich great coaches? No. But they were solid coaches. Neither one could compete against elite teams, but at least they beat the teams they should and got us to bowl games. Now we need an AD with some balls and some fire and a real vision. **** the sell out streak. **** the tunnel walk. **** the balloons. Find a coach and a staff who know how to build a program.
We aren't terrible...we are in every game. We have a HC who is the worst game manager I have ever seen. Hire Chris Petersen and we would be fine.
We are weak in the trenches on both sides of the ball yesterday. That was more than poor game management. No running game and a porous defense were not the result of poor game management. We have recruited poorly on both lines and have developed neither one. The only reason we were in that game at all was because our QB was on fire in the first half. As soon as he went cold, the whole team folded.
Pass block was fine, not so much on the run side. I also said that Nash Hutmacher and Henry Lutovsky should be playing OGs and this team would be much different running the ball.
Pass blocking was good. Run blocking was an abomination. And that I think is the result of Whipple's style of offense. It is very clear they have focused more on developing pass blocking than run blocking.
Good post and I agree with all except one thing. This dumpster fire was started by Osborne appointing Solich head coach while the AD (Byrne) was on vacation. He should have butted out and let Bill do his job and conduct a national search for the best coach available.
This was the issue at his last stop. Whipple's offense looks great when you have the best QB and WR in the country. The difference from the first half to the second half was Thompson missing wide open plays and WRs dropping passes.
Here's a creative idea: "let's call an onside kick when we're up by 11 and have all the momentum. That'll really fool 'em!"
Possibly but we don't know that yet. They have proven before to be good when not supposed to be.
IF Frost really wanted to be creative he should have directed Whipple to leave Smothers in the game for a whole series and see if NW could defend the zone read option. I suspect that Northwestern did little work on that given who everybody knew was going to start at QB. There was at least one time where Casey handed the ball off and IF he had kept it he would have run for a huge gain.
The onside kick call was creative...... Our biggest problem wasn't the offense. It was the fact that our offense needed to score on every possession because our defense couldn't stop anything.
Wisconsin and Iowa keep beating us without being very creative at all. They just play if safe and wait for us to do something stupid and beat ourselves.
Lutovsky was in there, at least some, in the 2H. I couldn't say how much. I do know someone at either guard or center was getting beat like a drum about every play in the 2nd qtr.
Frost throwing Whipple (who will be the interim HC in October) under the bus is such a bad look. Frost was being a little whiney brat throwing a hissy fit because Trev won’t let him call plays anymore. The offense did more than enough to win. The D giving up 31 points and over 500 yards to NW - not exactly an offensive juggernaut - was the problem.
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False, his contract that Moos gifted him is what saved his ***. He would've been gone last year 100% if not for the gigantic buyout.
And Smothers probably could have gotten yards on a cheap scramble against NW's pass rush.
What were these assistant coaches offered to come here? Must be a mausoleum in the office/locker room this week. What an odd situation
And has stuck his nose in the program ever since. No doubt he is in the middle of it right now.....
Talk to the best man...
Frost’s comment can be loosely translated to:
“Do something cute to score at the 1 yard line” (when all you have do line up and run it in)
“Onside kick when you’re up by two scores and have the momentum”.
Personally I liked the game plan Whipple called. Frost hired Whipple to do the play calling. Let the man call the game.
“Do something cute to score at the 1 yard line” (when all you have do line up and run it in)
“Onside kick when you’re up by two scores and have the momentum”.
Personally I liked the game plan Whipple called. Frost hired Whipple to do the play calling. Let the man call the game.