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From what I have heard, both QB's look pretty good. They said Chubba can be special at times, but is so inconsistent it reminds you a lot of AMart. The highs are amazing, but the lows will lose you a lot of football games. Sounds like Thompson is fundamentally sound and is able to execute the short to medium passing game pretty damn good.
Have to wait and see I guess.

The thing is, we have seen what failed leadership looks like on offense for 4 years. An experienced AMart was no better than an inexperienced one.

I firmly believe that the QB that should be starting is the one who can lead the offense effectively as a unit. To me, this skill is more important for the success of the offense and team, than anything else.

There is a great interview from about a month ago with CT, Purdy, and Masker, all at the same time. The non-verbals between CT and Purdy were very uncomfortable. Both those guys want it. Every time Purdy spoke, CT would shake his hair, and recompose himself, like as if to draw attention to him, rather than Purdy. It was massively telling to me all the little things going on in that interview.
 

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Have to wait and see I guess.

The thing is, we have seen what failed leadership looks like on offense for 4 years. An experienced AMart was no better than an inexperienced one.

I firmly believe that the QB that should be starting is the one who can lead the offense effectively as a unit. To me, this skill is more important for the success of the offense and team, than anything else.

There is a great interview from about a month ago with CT, Purdy, and Masker, all at the same time. The non-verbals between CT and Purdy were very uncomfortable. Both those guys want it. Every time Purdy spoke, CT would shake his hair, and recompose himself, like as if to draw attention to him, rather than Purdy. It was massively telling to me all the little things going on in that interview.
Yeah and that's a good thing to me. Have that edge and know you constantly have to compete.
 

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New assistants have the very difficult task of trying to undue the culture of failure that has been built and entrenched over the last 4 years … even more difficult given the architect of this culture is the current program CEO
 
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Have to wait and see I guess.

The thing is, we have seen what failed leadership looks like on offense for 4 years. An experienced AMart was no better than an inexperienced one.

I firmly believe that the QB that should be starting is the one who can lead the offense effectively as a unit. To me, this skill is more important for the success of the offense and team, than anything else.

There is a great interview from about a month ago with CT, Purdy, and Masker, all at the same time. The non-verbals between CT and Purdy were very uncomfortable. Both those guys want it. Every time Purdy spoke, CT would shake his hair, and recompose himself, like as if to draw attention to him, rather than Purdy. It was massively telling to me all the little things going on in that interview.
Id also take this as a good competitive thing.


Ive read a few of your posts regarding qb. Am I right or wrong in assuming you think purdy should be the guy?
 

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If that is all you got out of my post, then I did a poor job of communicating I guess.
Nope. Just difference of opinion and info I’ve heard that contradicts what you’ve said. We do have to wait and see, but CT is the guy right now. Chubba might get there but he’s a bit away.
 

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Have to wait and see I guess.

The thing is, we have seen what failed leadership looks like on offense for 4 years. An experienced AMart was no better than an inexperienced one.

I firmly believe that the QB that should be starting is the one who can lead the offense effectively as a unit. To me, this skill is more important for the success of the offense and team, than anything else.

There is a great interview from about a month ago with CT, Purdy, and Masker, all at the same time. The non-verbals between CT and Purdy were very uncomfortable. Both those guys want it. Every time Purdy spoke, CT would shake his hair, and recompose himself, like as if to draw attention to him, rather than Purdy. It was massively telling to me all the little things going on in that interview.
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The recent interviews could not have been more different by the two QB's.

One is struggling with leadership, and the other is getting up to speed.

I think this is Chubba's team.

When/how that plays out, we will have to see.
For obvious reasons…
 

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For obvious reasons…
not sure what you mean by this..
Id also take this as a good competitive thing.


Ive read a few of your posts regarding qb. Am I right or wrong in assuming you think purdy should be the guy?
The competition is good, however what I see out of CT is not good.

Reminds me of the AM thing a little bit.. we are marching head first into another problem with that kid..

I'm just surprised everyone else is so oblivious I guess.
 

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The best thing is we got 2 guys to get a shot and a staff that can’t afford to play favorites, it’s win or pack your bags and take your legacy with you. Just hope we have a guy that can shoulder the burden
 

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Have to wait and see I guess.

The thing is, we have seen what failed leadership looks like on offense for 4 years. An experienced AMart was no better than an inexperienced one.

I firmly believe that the QB that should be starting is the one who can lead the offense effectively as a unit. To me, this skill is more important for the success of the offense and team, than anything else.

There is a great interview from about a month ago with CT, Purdy, and Masker, all at the same time. The non-verbals between CT and Purdy were very uncomfortable. Both those guys want it. Every time Purdy spoke, CT would shake his hair, and recompose himself, like as if to draw attention to him, rather than Purdy. It was massively telling to me all the little things going on in that interview.
I finally watched that 3 QB interview. I thought Casey came across as though he is the starter. The longer the interview went the more he seemed to engage.

I watched the Thompson film against Colorado, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Kansas. Obviously, mostly good plays are highlighted, so didn't really see the overall picture. I watched Purdy in limited video playing for a very poor FSU team and also his handful of plays during the Spring game.

My opinion of Chubba is he seems like a Smothers knock off. Doesn't have a strong arm, doesn't seem to be a real fluid runner. I hope he does a great job when needed, but he doesn't look much like a polished QB at this point. Hope I'm wrong. Both he and Thompson seem to have a better feel of when to take off and get yardage than Martinez did.

IMO, Thompson does some things really well. He has a much better arm than Purdy, I think he's not only quicker than Purdy but is also faster. When he is backpedaling he doesn't throw the ball well at all. He also didn't show he throws the short crossing routes with very good accuracy.

When he does the quick 1-3 step drop, he gets rid of the ball pretty quick, and when he does the straight 1-3 step drop and has his feet set he throws the ball very well right down the middle.

He doesn't seem to feel backside pressure. He throws in tight windows, and that's where I think he could get himself and the team in trouble. Seems when he has made up his mind to throw it, he throws it regardless of tight coverage.

He is really good in the red zone off the quick drop and the corner timing routes. I think NU sees a lot of that from him this year.

He is similar to Martinez in the pocket when things break down because his ball security needs improvement. Overall, I think Thompson is way better than Chubba just as a running/throwing QB. I'd like to see him tone down the attitude just a bit, I like a QB with a lot of confidence, but overconfidence usually leads to unnecessary risks that hurt the offense. He needs to manage the offense, take care of the football, play within his strengths and NU will have a decent offense. Just my opinion.

It will be interesting to see which QB the overall offense operates best with.
 

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not sure what you mean by this..

The competition is good, however what I see out of CT is not good.

Reminds me of the AM thing a little bit.. we are marching head first into another problem with that kid..

I'm just surprised everyone else is so oblivious I guess.
Im surprised with how you can possibly tell this. You dont go to practices and we have not seen any games.
Methinks you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing frost of, playing favorites based on things other than performance.
You are already setting up your complaints for the season. You know we wont win them all, so after the first loss youll be on here talking about how “i knew thompson was bad, purdy should play, knew it all along, yadda yadda.”

CT may very well not work out, but theres no way to actually know that right now, especially when you are not at practices.
Im no CT kool-aider, I think he’ll hang on to the ball just as long as AM did, but I dont have any way of really knowing that yet or if purdy would do better.
Youre guilty of what you are accusing.
 

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I’ll probably take hell from the Scott nut huggers on this board but Liewer , Hann , and Belt? Really? I bet those 3 are practicing really hard but it seems that Scott preference is to play a small town Nebraska native walk-on who works hard.

I always listen to Mickey talk, he has repeatedly said he wants 6 and he will play 6. if he even mentions Liewer & Hann it’s like the last two kids he talks about. I highly doubt those two are in Mickeys top 6 and in front of Castaneda, Williams, and especially Palmer. 3 dudes Frost failed to mention. This is Levi Flack deja vu. And people who have seen practices aren’t putting Liewer, Hann, or Belt in the 6. Mickey does seem to really like Belt though. He even went as far to say he might be the best all around football player on them team. His problem is he is a bit of a tweener And it’s difficult to field him in P5 football.

I just hope Mickey is allowed to call the shots @ WR. I have no confidence in Frosts ability to pick that spot. Frost doesn’t like kids with egos and more than any spot on the field, WR is going to have a lot of prima donnas. And I’m probably going off the deep end but we’ve seen this before.
 

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I’ll probably take hell from the Scott nut huggers on this board but Liewer , Hann , and Belt? Really? I bet those 3 are practicing really hard but it seems that Scott preference is to play a small town Nebraska native walk-on who works hard.

I always listen to Mickey talk, he has repeatedly said he wants 6 and he will play 6. if he even mentions Liewer & Hann it’s like the last two kids he talks about. I highly doubt those two are in Mickeys top 6 and in front of Castaneda, Williams, and especially Palmer. 3 dudes Frost failed to mention. This is Levi Flack deja vu. And people who have seen practices aren’t putting Liewer, Hann, or Belt in the 6. Mickey does seem to really like Belt though. He even went as far to say he might be the best all around football player on them team. His problem is he is a bit of a tweener And it’s difficult to field him in P5 football.

I just hope Mickey is allowed to call the shots @ WR. I have no confidence in Frosts ability to pick that spot. Frost doesn’t like kids with egos and more than any spot on the field, WR is going to have a lot of prima donnas. And I’m probably going off the deep end but we’ve seen this before.


What makes you assume the WR coach hasn’t always decided who plays? Hint, he has. The position coach has always decided who plays at the position. BTW, Palmer has been out of practice, but don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.
 
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I’ll probably take hell from the Scott nut huggers on this board but Liewer , Hann , and Belt? Really? I bet those 3 are practicing really hard but it seems that Scott preference is to play a small town Nebraska native walk-on who works hard.

I always listen to Mickey talk, he has repeatedly said he wants 6 and he will play 6. if he even mentions Liewer & Hann it’s like the last two kids he talks about. I highly doubt those two are in Mickeys top 6 and in front of Castaneda, Williams, and especially Palmer. 3 dudes Frost failed to mention. This is Levi Flack deja vu. And people who have seen practices aren’t putting Liewer, Hann, or Belt in the 6. Mickey does seem to really like Belt though. He even went as far to say he might be the best all around football player on them team. His problem is he is a bit of a tweener And it’s difficult to field him in P5 football.

I just hope Mickey is allowed to call the shots @ WR. I have no confidence in Frosts ability to pick that spot. Frost doesn’t like kids with egos and more than any spot on the field, WR is going to have a lot of prima donnas. And I’m probably going off the deep end but we’ve seen this before.

The question asked was a follow up about “surprises” after Marcus Washington reference, so I think Frost’s answer took that angle in a way.
Some WR’s I’ve not heard mentioned at all are the younger ones: Kamonte Grimes, Shawn Hardy, Janiran Bonner, Victor Jones.
 

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New assistants have the very difficult task of trying to undue the culture of failure that has been built and entrenched over the last 4 years … even more difficult given the architect of this culture is the current program CEO
Frost didn't begin the "culture of failure". That was built before he got here but thus far he's failed to overcome what he inherited.
 

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What makes you assume the WR coach hasn’t always decided who plays? Hint, he has. The position coach has always decided who plays at the position. BTW, Palmer has been out of practice, but don’t let that get in the way of a good rant.
Have you ever had a management job? Serious question . Cause your response makes me think you probably haven’t or haven’t had a typical one. Yes as management you get to make choices but your bosses always adds his/her opinion. Some people take the bosses opinion to make their choice to keep the boss happy. Some people stick to their guns and go with what they think. Since I had to spell that out for you, when I say I hope Mickey gets to call the shots that means that I hope Mickey calls his shots and Scott respects that without putting any pressure to play a kid…

And your “hint, he has” line?!?! Oh stop the presses “headcard” stated he is privy to Scott’s management style behind closed doors and is all knowing of what goes on in the offices in Nebraska football. Please sir or ma’am enlighten us with your knowledge. Cause it sure seemed like Matt Lubick was a yes man. And it sure seems like you are talking out of your *** there. I am stating opinion and you are acting like you have facts without evidence

BTW Palmer May have missed a few practices but have Williams and Castaneda? Nope. And so you’re right on that, I won’t let that get in way of my rant
 

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Have you ever had a management job? Serious question . Cause your response makes me think you probably haven’t or haven’t had a typical one. Yes as management you get to make choices but your bosses always adds his/her opinion. Some people take the bosses opinion to make their choice to keep the boss happy. Some people stick to their guns and go with what they think. Since I had to spell that out for you, when I say I hope Mickey gets to call the shots that means that I hope Mickey calls his shots and Scott respects that without putting any pressure to play a kid…

And your “hint, he has” line?!?! Oh stop the presses “headcard” stated he is privy to Scott’s management style behind closed doors and is all knowing of what goes on in the offices in Nebraska football. Please sir or ma’am enlighten us with your knowledge. Cause it sure seemed like Matt Lubick was a yes man. And it sure seems like you are talking out of your *** there. I am stating opinion and you are acting like you have facts without evidence

BTW Palmer May have missed a few practices but have Williams and Castaneda? Nope. And so you’re right on that, I won’t let that get in way of my rant

Yes, I am currently in a role where I am in charge of around 120 employees. I meet with department heads as a group every week and individually constantly. I keep them focused on our big picture plans and give my input. I do not micromanage to the degree of deciding the details they are hired to decide. I have also been on coaching staffs and the position coach spending the time with the athletes was trusted to pick their rotation.
 
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Yes, I am currently in a role where I am in charge of around 120 employees. I meet with department heads as a group every week and individually constantly. I keep them focused on our big picture plans and give my input. I do not micromanage to the degree of deciding the details they are hired to decide. I have also been on coaching staffs and the position coach spending the time with the athletes was trusted to pick their rotation.
My experience as a manager of a large number of employees as well. But it does depend on the management style. Now I've known a few managers who do interfere in the details and micromanage but they just can't interfere in all of them because it's too broad a span.
 

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Im surprised with how you can possibly tell this. You dont go to practices and we have not seen any games.
Methinks you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing frost of, playing favorites based on things other than performance.
You are already setting up your complaints for the season. You know we wont win them all, so after the first loss youll be on here talking about how “i knew thompson was bad, purdy should play, knew it all along, yadda yadda.”

CT may very well not work out, but theres no way to actually know that right now, especially when you are not at practices.
Im no CT kool-aider, I think he’ll hang on to the ball just as long as AM did, but I dont have any way of really knowing that yet or if purdy would do better.
Youre guilty of what you are accusing.
There are a lot of things I have been right about, where people here were pounding the table saying I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong this time.. it's possible, but I see things differently I guess.

Like Easy123 going on about CT's arm being better than Purdy.. that is a laugh. CT won't ever sniff the NFL. Purdy has a decent shot to get there by the time he is done.

As for how the season goes, I really do think with the better leader, we do better as a team. I don't understand what is so hard for people to understand about that.

Frost kept playing AMart because of his individual talents, which of course didn't help the actual team at all. Subbing in another QB for a game or two, isn't long enough to establish a new team identity.

So, if this whole CT business goes the way everyone thinks, I feel we might not be any better on offense as a unit. Everyone will point and say CT has the most experience and try to argue he has better skills, all the while, missing what could have been, by playing the guy with the right leadership, to make your team better overall.

I know, you want me to spill the beans and give all the details of my reasoning, but I'm not going to get into that, at least not for free.

I am considering launching an analyst subscription service, but can't give details here unless I clear it with the staff an Inside Nebraska first.
 

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There are a lot of things I have been right about, where people here were pounding the table saying I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong this time.. it's possible, but I see things differently I guess.

Like Easy123 going on about CT's arm being better than Purdy.. that is a laugh. CT won't ever sniff the NFL. Purdy has a decent shot to get there by the time he is done.

As for how the season goes, I really do think with the better leader, we do better as a team. I don't understand what is so hard for people to understand about that.

Frost kept playing AMart because of his individual talents, which of course didn't help the actual team at all. Subbing in another QB for a game or two, isn't long enough to establish a new team identity.

So, if this whole CT business goes the way everyone thinks, I feel we might not be any better on offense as a unit. Everyone will point and say CT has the most experience and try to argue he has better skills, all the while, missing what could have been, by playing the guy with the right leadership, to make your team better overall.

I know, you want me to spill the beans and give all the details of my reasoning, but I'm not going to get into that, at least not for free.

I am considering launching an analyst subscription service, but can't give details here unless I clear it with the staff an Inside Nebraska first.
Dude, I said 4 positive and 3 negative things about Thompson throwing certain type passes.
I said 1 negative about Purdy's arm strength.

Exactly where did I say anything about Thompson and the NFL?

Purdy's only thrown 58 passes in 2 years, was 3rd team two years in a row, for a team that won 8 games in 2 years.

How do you know Purdy has superior leadership skills? Based on him starting one game against a ****** UMASS team in a 2 year period for a Florida State team in desperate need of leadership?

Personally, I don't give a crap who plays QB for NU as long as the team dials up some wins.
I'm not invested in either one of 'em.
 

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There are a lot of things I have been right about, where people here were pounding the table saying I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong this time.. it's possible, but I see things differently I guess.

Like Easy123 going on about CT's arm being better than Purdy.. that is a laugh. CT won't ever sniff the NFL. Purdy has a decent shot to get there by the time he is done.

As for how the season goes, I really do think with the better leader, we do better as a team. I don't understand what is so hard for people to understand about that.

Frost kept playing AMart because of his individual talents, which of course didn't help the actual team at all. Subbing in another QB for a game or two, isn't long enough to establish a new team identity.

So, if this whole CT business goes the way everyone thinks, I feel we might not be any better on offense as a unit. Everyone will point and say CT has the most experience and try to argue he has better skills, all the while, missing what could have been, by playing the guy with the right leadership, to make your team better overall.

I know, you want me to spill the beans and give all the details of my reasoning, but I'm not going to get into that, at least not for free.

I am considering launching an analyst subscription service, but can't give details here unless I clear it with the staff an Inside Nebraska first.
I have a good deal of respect for your opinions, Nikki, but would like for you to square them with this throw from Purdy in the spring game:




In my opinion, this single play shows me that purdy not only isn’t the guy today, he will never be the guy anywhere, ever

that is a throw a P5 QB makes in his sleep. Purdy doesn’t have the juice to get it there against 3rd and 4th teamers
 
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As of today CT is head and shoulders ahead of any other QB on the team. Idk how that is hard to realize
 

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Not much info from the scrimmage yesterday maybe we will here more later today..
I think next media interviews are tomorrow with offensive coaches, so today may still be quiet.

Might not have been the scrimmage but Janiran Bonner had a nice TD grab against pretty tight coverage from Kolarevic.
 

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I have a good deal of respect for your opinions, Nikki, but would like for you to square them with this throw from Purdy in the spring game:




In my opinion, this single play shows me that purdy not only isn’t the guy today, he will never be the guy anywhere, ever

that is a throw a P5 QB makes in his sleep. Purdy doesn’t have the juice to get it there against 3rd and 4th teamers

I’m not worried about that throw at all. Gifford made a nice play and the ball was at least on target even if he could have led him a little more. Pressure coming from his throwing side.

But I’m also not guessing Purdy is ready quite yet. I don’t have much opinion of him cus I haven’t seen enough.

Edit: I’ve always liked Haarberg’s arm and delivery, but he had the worst throw that day I think on a red zone INT if my memory serves.
 
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I’m not worried about that throw at all. Gifford made a nice play and the ball was at least on target even if he could have led him a little more. Pressure coming from his throwing side.

But I’m also not guessing Purdy is ready quite yet. I don’t have much opinion of him cus I haven’t seen enough.

Edit: I’ve always liked Haarberg’s arm and delivery, but he had the worst throw that day I think on a red zone INT if my memory serves.
This is a play where Manning is wide open near the right sideline, and the RB, Yant is not covered at all for an easy 10 yard reception. No doubt the progression was middle seam, but had that been covered, it's a play that had open receivers.
 

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I’m not worried about that throw at all. Gifford made a nice play and the ball was at least on target even if he could have led him a little more. Pressure coming from his throwing side.

But I’m also not guessing Purdy is ready quite yet. I don’t have much opinion of him cus I haven’t seen enough.

Edit: I’ve always liked Haarberg’s arm and delivery, but he had the worst throw that day I think on a red zone INT if my memory serves.
a good arm beats Gifford there

Purdy's well protected and really gets behind it; ball comes out like a changeup

I will add that I am excited for Gifford to make many, many plays just like that this year and beyond. he is a player who will be on the short list of our best after this season IMO