SIAP - Congratulations to Zane Flores ...

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It’s not like we went out and courted a program-changer, we got a kid who peaked at 16 in a non-football state
But that isn’t a point I am arguing.

I am saying if there is a P5 level player from, in state, that player should be automatically offered. QB would be my exception.

I have not given my opinion about any other QB offered.
 

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Just a bad take, you get too emotional.
Which part is bad? The part about Purdy’s questionable arm strength or the part about him and Fidone both being damaged goods? Both seem like plain as day facts to me.

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I think the head coach, his QB coach and OC should determine who they want to offer scholarships at QB. I don't care where the QB comes from.
 
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I think the head coach, his QB coach and OC should determine who they want to offer scholarships at QB. I don't care where the QB comes from.
I agree with this. I agree that if an instate kid is a legit D1 caliber player that normally we should offer him. But QB is a different story since it is the most important position on the team and you need to go out and fill that room with guys you think fit your system and have the skill set to do it. I am sure they looked long and hard at Flores but determined he was not superior to the guy we got and that the guy we got was a better fit for us. Some on here seem to think Frost and staff are not aware of how important it is to recruit all of the Nebraska talent they can find. Some seem to think that they did not give Flores a chance and did not look at his talent properly. I doubt that. I am not a huge Frost supporter but I do not think for one second that he just passed on Flores without giving it much thought.
 

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I remember people saying similar things about Joe Burrow at the time. "If his dad hadn't played here, nobody would be saying we should have offered him, he's only a 3-star recruit".

The fact is, we signed an average QB from 1500 miles away, when there was one 30 miles away who actually has the size to play QB at this level. Watson is listed at 6-foot, 175 pounds - and that's being very generous. If we had a 5-star QB committed, I would understand passing on Flores. But instead, we decided to only take one QB, and it's a 3-star kid that won't even be able to see over the offensive line and will probably end up changing positions at the college level.
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Anyone know how many instate kids signed with D1 schools last year? Or a yearly average?
 
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I agree with this. I agree that if an instate kid is a legit D1 caliber player that normally we should offer him. But QB is a different story since it is the most important position on the team and you need to go out and fill that room with guys you think fit your system and have the skill set to do it. I am sure they looked long and hard at Flores but determined he was not superior to the guy we got and that the guy we got was a better fit for us. Some on here seem to think Frost and staff are not aware of how important it is to recruit all of the Nebraska talent they can find. Some seem to think that they did not give Flores a chance and did not look at his talent properly. I doubt that. I am not a huge Frost supporter but I do not think for one second that he just passed on Flores without giving it much thought.
I’m sure he gave it plenty of thought.

Problem is, the stuff he puts the most time/thought into(the qb position) are the things that are killing the program.

I question someone who doesn’t question Frost’s judgements by now.
 

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Which part is bad? The part about Purdy’s questionable arm strength or the part about him and Fidone both being damaged goods? Both seem like plain as day facts to me.

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This is the first time I have heard that Purdy has questionable arm strength. I went and did some checking and I saw a lot of articles that complimented his arm. I don't think he has as strong an arm as Haarberg or Torres but it looks like he has good touch and looks more than adequate to me. I have no opinion on the injury stuff. As far as missing a seam route, I haven't seen him enough to comment, plus he hasn't practiced very much this spring. Time will tell.

The video below gives one guys breakdown of Purdy. I don't know what his qualifications are but I can see what he is saying and it
seems like a reasonable analysis.



Some other articles that mention he has arm strength.



 

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This is the first time I have heard that Purdy has questionable arm strength. I went and did some checking and I saw a lot of articles that complimented his arm. I don't think he has as strong an arm as Haarberg or Torres but it looks like he has good touch and looks more than adequate to me. I have no opinion on the injury stuff. As far as missing a seam route, I haven't seen him enough to comment, plus he hasn't practiced very much this spring. Time will tell.

The video below gives one guys breakdown of Purdy. I don't know what his qualifications are but I can see what he is saying and it
seems like a reasonable analysis.



Some other articles that mention he has arm strength.




My take on Purdy is that for what Frost and Whipple would like for the offense, Purdy has the highest ceiling.
 

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I think the head coach, his QB coach and OC should determine who they want to offer scholarships at QB. I don't care where the QB comes from.

How has that gone for us the last 4 years? That Head Coach passed on Joe Burrow. He compared Adrian Martinez to Pat Mahomes.

What great QBs has Whipple recruited over his 40 year career?
 

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So you don’t have a problem taking an average QB as long as he is from Nebraska.

edit - Burrow was ignored by Pelini supposedly because he didn’t fit what they were doing on offense. He was offered by Riley and Langsdorf but by then it was too late.

No, but if we are choosing from two average QBs, we should probably take the one from 30 miles away, who actually has the size to play QB in the Big Ten. Or take both. Shunning a local kid with many Power 5 offers in favor of kid from 1500 miles away who is like 5-foot-10....it's a bold strategy.

From what I've read, Watson had a great freshman season and that's when he earned a bunch of offers...because most coaches expected him to grow a few more inches at least. When he didn't grow any taller, it appears most other programs cooled on him.
 
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No, but if we are choosing from two average QBs, we should probably take the one from 30 miles away, who actually has the size to play QB in the Big Ten. Or take both. Shunning a local kid with many Power 5 offers in favor of kid from 1500 miles away who is like 5-foot-10....it's a bold strategy.

From what I've read, Watson had a great freshman season and that's when he earned a bunch of offers...because most coaches expected him to grow a few more inches at least. When he didn't grow any taller, it appears most other programs cooled on him.
Many P5 offers? Zero Big Ten offers, so not only did Nebraska not offer the kid with the size to play QB in the Big Ten, but so did the other 13 teams. Strange
 
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No, but if we are choosing from two average QBs, we should probably take the one from 30 miles away, who actually has the size to play QB in the Big Ten. Or take both. Shunning a local kid with many Power 5 offers in favor of kid from 1500 miles away who is like 5-foot-10....it's a bold strategy.

From what I've read, Watson had a great freshman season and that's when he earned a bunch of offers...because most coaches expected him to grow a few more inches at least. When he didn't grow any taller, it appears most other programs cooled on him.
Seems he'd be great for UMASS or UCON.
 

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How come no one is talking about Gale Sayers? If Burrow is going to be brought up forever, lets throw Sayers in as well.
 

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Many P5 offers? Zero Big Ten offers, so not only did Nebraska not offer the kid with the size to play QB in the Big Ten, but so did the other 13 teams. Strange

He had an offer from Indiana, they are in the Big Ten last I checked. As well as offers from many other programs that have won more games than Nebraska has under the current coaching staff. And he would have received a lot more offers if he didn't commit to Oklahoma State.

Apparently, you think Frost is a better evaluator of talent than Mike Gundy?
 
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If this kid is a can’t miss prospect than I get the hand wringing. But he is a run of the mill QB. This isn't meant to disparage the kid or anything, good luck to him at Okie St. I tend to agree that if he was from Utah or North Carolina there would be no discussion about passing on this kid. But the fear of him being something more than a long term back up at Oklahoma St has people in a panic, because he is from Nebraska.


I have never seen the kid play before but isn't this the norm with Nebraska fans and a Nebraska HS kid?


Holla
 

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I remember people saying similar things about Joe Burrow at the time. "If his dad hadn't played here, nobody would be saying we should have offered him, he's only a 3-star recruit".

The fact is, we signed an average QB from 1500 miles away, when there was one 30 miles away who actually has the size to play QB at this level. Watson is listed at 6-foot, 175 pounds - and that's being very generous. If we had a 5-star QB committed, I would understand passing on Flores. But instead, we decided to only take one QB, and it's a 3-star kid that won't even be able to see over the offensive line and will probably end up changing positions at the college level.


So basically you don't trust Whipple's opinion on QBs?

I'm not saying he's right or wrong or even above reproach. Just curious as to what or why he should have took the local kid. If he evaluated both for the offense that he wants to run and came to the conclusion that one was a better fit than the other SHOULDNT he offer/take that QB?

My only pushback on your take is that somehow because one guy is 6' and the other is 6'3 or whatever that somehow makes him better. Distance imo shouldn't really matter when evaluating these guys.

If I'm being honest a lot of this comes off as some of you guys sounds like a kid should get a "location bump". Or in your case a "height bump".

I'm not here to argue one is better than the other because I truly don't know and won't pretend to. Just think some of the reasons I hear are basically vailed ways to simply say "we want the local guy".

Anyways I wish both guys the best of luck. One thing u have to remember is that just because a guy does "x" at one school doesn't mean he would've done it here. I think a guy like Easton Stick is a prime example. I don't believe he becomes that guy at Nebraska. Look at Wandale Robinson here and look at him at Kentucky. It all plays a part in how good players become.

Being completely honest if you want whats best for the kid I'd say that Gundy and OSU probably represent that at the moment. That hurts but I honestly believe that currently.


Holla
 

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He had an offer from Indiana, they are in the Big Ten last I checked. As well as offers from many other programs that have won more games than Nebraska has under the current coaching staff. And he would have received a lot more offers if he didn't commit to Oklahoma State.

Apparently, you think Frost is a better evaluator of talent than Mike Gundy?
Hmmm……Indiana offer according to who? Per Indiana’s Rivals site, they list numerous QBs offered, Zane’s not on that list.
I wish Zane well, hope he’s successful wherever he ends up. Personally, not going to stress about a kid who’s likely not going see any meaningful snaps in college for another 3 years.
 
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He had an offer from Indiana, they are in the Big Ten last I checked. As well as offers from many other programs that have won more games than Nebraska has under the current coaching staff. And he would have received a lot more offers if he didn't commit to Oklahoma State.

Apparently, you think Frost is a better evaluator of talent than Mike Gundy?
Again you are making assumptions and
opinions that I don’t represent. You are making this kid out to be something more than he is. As I stated, I hope he is successful at Okie St.

I simply believe that he is just a guy, and that most of the handwringing about Frost not offering is based on fear that he will have success at Oklahoma St than it is believe that he will do well at Nebraska.

my bad on the Indiana oversight. 13 of 14 big ten teams passed on Flores, even though he has big ten height and size.

I am not going argue hypotheticals about who may have offered if he didn’t commit to Oklahoma St.
 
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He had an offer from Indiana, they are in the Big Ten last I checked. As well as offers from many other programs that have won more games than Nebraska has under the current coaching staff. And he would have received a lot more offers if he didn't commit to Oklahoma State.

Apparently, you think Frost is a better evaluator of talent than Mike Gundy?
Gundy is light years better evaluator of talent than Frost.
 
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So basically you don't trust Whipple's opinion on QBs?

I'm not saying he's right or wrong or even above reproach. Just curious as to what or why he should have took the local kid. If he evaluated both for the offense that he wants to run and came to the conclusion that one was a better fit than the other SHOULDNT he offer/take that QB?

My only pushback on your take is that somehow because one guy is 6' and the other is 6'3 or whatever that somehow makes him better. Distance imo shouldn't really matter when evaluating these guys.

If I'm being honest a lot of this comes off as some of you guys sounds like a kid should get a "location bump". Or in your case a "height bump".

I'm not here to argue one is better than the other because I truly don't know and won't pretend to. Just think some of the reasons I hear are basically vailed ways to simply say "we want the local guy".

Anyways I wish both guys the best of luck. One thing u have to remember is that just because a guy does "x" at one school doesn't mean he would've done it here. I think a guy like Easton Stick is a prime example. I don't believe he becomes that guy at Nebraska. Look at Wandale Robinson here and look at him at Kentucky. It all plays a part in how good players become.

Being completely honest if you want whats best for the kid I'd say that Gundy and OSU probably represent that at the moment. That hurts but I honestly believe that currently.


Holla
Who has Whipple recruited at QB? He didn't recruit Pickett.
 

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Hmmm……Indiana offer according to who? Per Indiana’s Rivals site, they list numerous QBs offered, Zane’s not on that list.
I wish Zane well, hope he’s successful wherever he ends up. Personally, not going to stress about a kid who’s likely not going see any meaningful snaps in college for another 3 years.
Zane learned how to play the "self reported" offers game pretty quickly.
 

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I have no clue who he has recruited. You tell me...



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I prefer to notice who he's developed personally. That list is pretty impressive. Just imagine what he can do when he gets to pick the guy he's coaching. We hired a new OC. I think it's logical to let him pick the QB he things best fits his offense.
 

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Pickett and Big Ben are impressive exhibits of his QB coaching abilities.
 

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I prefer to notice who he's developed personally. That list is pretty impressive. Just imagine what he can do when he gets to pick the guy he's coaching. We hired a new OC. I think it's logical to let him pick the QB he things best fits his offense.
Just imagine? The guys been coaching 40 years and has yet to develop a QB he personally recruited

heaping credit on Whipple for ‘developing’ Big Ben is pretty rich, too. That’s quite a stretch
 

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Just imagine? The guys been coaching 40 years and has yet to develop a QB he personally recruited

heaping credit on Whipple for ‘developing’ Big Ben is pretty rich, too. That’s quite a stretch
So Roethlisberger was a Super Bowl caliber QB when he was drafted by Pittsburgh?
 

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And, the kid from 30 miles away is not going to get homesick and bail at a moment's notice. Advantage Flores for likelihood to stay the course. Looking like another Frost blunder.
 

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I remember people saying similar things about Joe Burrow at the time. "If his dad hadn't played here, nobody would be saying we should have offered him, he's only a 3-star recruit".

The fact is, we signed an average QB from 1500 miles away, when there was one 30 miles away who actually has the size to play QB at this level. Watson is listed at 6-foot, 175 pounds - and that's being very generous. If we had a 5-star QB committed, I would understand passing on Flores. But instead, we decided to only take one QB, and it's a 3-star kid that won't even be able to see over the offensive line and will probably end up changing positions at the college level.
His brother was also a starter here and lives in Omaha.
 

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So Roethlisberger was a Super Bowl caliber QB when he was drafted by Pittsburgh?
sure seems like it. his first year was his best with Whipple there.

after 3 years under Whipple's tutelage, he led the league in picks & saw his QB coach unceremoniously let go.
 

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sure seems like it. his first year was his best with Whipple there.

after 3 years under Whipple's tutelage, he led the league in picks & saw his QB coach unceremoniously let go.
He was let go when the Steelers changed head coaches. It had more to do with what was going on around him than anything that Whipple caused.

Considering the last QB you were pining to see was Heinrich Haarberg, it would seem that Flores' football future is doomed.Winking
 

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He was let go when the Steelers changed head coaches. It had more to do with what was going on around him than anything that Whipple caused.

Considering the last QB you were pining to see was Heinrich Haarberg, it would seem that Flores' football future is doomed.Winking
I am still pining to see Haarberg, who would've undoubtedly given us a better chance to win last year than the bum frost chose to start