Whipple - pro style? spread?

[king_kong_]

Good, so there should be ZERO excuses for the offense not to improve a TON this year, or for Frost not to win 8 plus games this year to save his job.

You cant have it both ways. You want to call Whip a top 5 OC.. great...then you cant hem and haw and want Frost retained if he wins 6-7 or fewer games this year with this schedule, or if the O doesnt make a HUGE jump this year.

Right?

do... do you think I made that graphic?

the offense needs to take a moderate leap in the redzone. that's it. if we have identical offensive output to last year with a single standard deviation improvement in TD%, we will score nearly 10 more points/game.

that very focused improvement will lead to the wins that will hopefully begin to heal whatever it is the losses have done to your malfunctioning brain.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I don't care if he runs the wishbone, the spread, the I formation, the fun and gun, the veer, the old wing T, or the West Coast offense. I just want us to be effective and score points. I want an offense that looks like it knows what in the hell it is doing. Everything else is beside the point. Good coaching + good athletes+good chemistry=points, no matter what offense you run.

Edit: I would also add that someone who calls plays that doesn't abandon what is working just so you can have fun calling different plays.

I thought I sent this yesterday but i guess it didn’t go because it was still in the text box.

Just to address the edit - there is so much that goes into play calling. Coaches don't abandon plays just to have some fun calling a different one. You call plays to set up other plays. An example off the top of my head was the sequence against Iowa, I believe. Hand off to the RB off the left side, WR from the opposite side follows the play. Later in the game, the same formation, same play, until the RB ran option with the trailing WR. You call plays to see how the defense will react.

 

[TruHusker]

I thought I sent this yesterday but i guess it didn’t go because it was still in the text box.

Just to address the edit - there is so much that goes into play calling. Coaches don't abandon plays just to have some fun calling a different one. You call plays to set up other plays. An example off the top of my head was the sequence against Iowa, I believe. Hand off to the RB off the left side, WR from the opposite side follows the play. Later in the game, the same formation, same play, until the RB ran option with the trailing WR. You call plays to see how the defense will react.

To take it another step further, the goal is to get the D to move how and where you want them. I don't understand why everyone seems to think the game is static- that play worked last week or last series, it should work again. If it were only that simple, it truly is not. Just moving a DL or LB a shade one way can make a huge difference. But carry on and complain, it could get pretty rough around here next year.

 

[Boiler_B]

do... do you think I made that graphic?

the offense needs to take a moderate leap in the redzone. that's it. if we have identical offensive output to last year with a single standard deviation improvement in TD%, we will score nearly 10 more points/game.

that very focused improvement will lead to the wins that will hopefully begin to heal whatever it is the losses have done to your malfunctioning brain.

And you are not accounting for losing our two best pass catching threats, as well as our D taking a step back or two.
You are also banking on a QB who is not going to have as big of windows to throw to like he did at TX...and B10 teams will be able to bring pressure on him, which will make his completion % go down quite a bit. Plus he still needs to answer the question: How accurate can he be throwing to smaller windows?
Did you happen to watch the video of his throws from last year? Bet you didnt. Its a shame..but my malfunctioning brain did...sooooo I can speak to what I saw...

You are banking that our O line takes a major step forward in order for other teams to not get pressure on CT...and that we will do it with a coach that has zero P5 experience aka he is learning on the fly, while also replacing our best O lineman that left for the NFL...

you are banking that Whipple and SF will be able to work in complete harmony on the offense together and they will compliment each other...with no hiccups

Its funny, cuz you sit there and act like SF whenever a problem comes up has just gone in and fixed something right away and its old hat and he does it all the time... Sooooo when exactly has that happened? In what area exactly? Cane you name one at all? And since you probably cant, just magically he is gonna do it now and grow a brain in year 5?

LOL

OK

 

[king_kong_]

since we're actually talking scheme, I'll leave this here for those interested in actually knowing a little bit about the subject:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playo...anahan-kliff-kingsbury-bruce-arians-andy-reid

 

[king_kong_]

And you are not accounting for losing our two best pass catching threats, as well as our D taking a step back or two.
You are also banking on a QB who is not going to have as big of windows to throw to like he did at TX...and B10 teams will be able to bring pressure on him, which will make his completion % go down quite a bit. Plus he still needs to answer the question: How accurate can he be throwing to smaller windows?
Did you happen to watch the video of his throws from last year? Bet you didnt. Its a shame..but my malfunctioning brain did...sooooo I can speak to what I saw...

You are banking that our O line takes a major step forward in order for other teams to not get pressure on CT...and that we will do it with a coach that has zero P5 experience aka he is learning on the fly, while also replacing our best O lineman that left for the NFL...

you are banking that Whipple and SF will be able to work in complete harmony on the offense together and they will compliment each other...with no hiccups

Its funny, cuz you sit there and act like SF whenever a problem comes up has just gone in and fixed something right away and its old hat and he does it all the time... Sooooo when exactly has that happened? In what area exactly? Cane you name one at all? And since you probably cant, just magically he is gonna do it now and grow a brain in year 5?

LOL

OK

I watched every Texas game live last season, and was very impressed by Thompson. I still can't believe we got him. Oklahoma State's defense last year was lightyears better than any B1G defense.

our offense had ZERO issue moving the ball against the "mighty B1G" (LOL, this league is the definition of average) last year with a quarterback who is a mere fraction of the passer Thompson is.

I do not think our line needs to take a major step forward. again - we ranked in the top 1/3rd of the league in offense last year with a pretty mediocre line.

I am banking on Whipple, given his age, experience and demeanor, being able to tell Frost to F off when he needs to and take ownership in the offense. the only place they need to improve is in the redzone.

you are acting like we are starting from scratch. we are not. Austin Allen and Toure, while fine players, are infinitely replaceable.

10 B1G teams would kill for the offensive output we had in 2021.

 

[Boiler_B]

I watched every Texas game live last season, and was very impressed by Thompson. I still can't believe we got him. Oklahoma State's defense last year was lightyears better than any B1G defense.

our offense had ZERO issue moving the ball against the "mighty B1G" (LOL, this league is the definition of average) last year with a quarterback who is a mere fraction of the passer Thompson is.

I do not think our line needs to take a major step forward. again - we ranked in the top 1/3rd of the league in offense last year with a pretty mediocre line.

I am banking on Whipple, given his age, experience and demeanor, being able to tell Frost to F off when he needs to and take ownership in the offense. the only place they need to improve is in the redzone.

you are acting like we are starting from scratch. we are not. Austin Allen and Toure, while fine players, are infinitely replaceable.

10 B1G teams would kill for the offensive output we had in 2021.

I saw in Thompson a guy who couldn't throw on the run, and absolutely wilted when the littlest bit of pressure was put in him. It's on tape. You may need to
rewatch the tape. There is a thread that shows ALL of his offensive plays its 1:05 long..I would suggest u watch some of it to refresh ur memory. Cuz ur memory is hazy then.

Teams didn't start putting any pressure on him until TCU and their 118th ranked scoring D did and forced him Into a 12-22 game and showed that he absolutely melted under ANY pressure at all and became wildly inaccurate.

If u also notice on the tape he only made 2 total on the money throws the entire year where he actually had to fit a ball into a tight window. The rest if the time it was pitch and catch cuz all of his other completions were to TX talented WRs vs B12 defenses and his guys were always open by at least a step...that's simply not gonna happen in the b10.

Whipple is also going to face better defenses in the b10..

And almost all offenses operate better from the 20 to the 20..so no biggie we just gotta improve I'm I'm red zone.. yeah u act like SF will just snap his fingers and it will be fixed. So when has he ever been able to do that? Ever since he took over?

So whipple is gonna fix the qb and the O in short order, when he has never been able to do it in short order his entire career before?

Ok..if u say so. He's not a quick fix guy not with the ao and not with Qbs. And CT will need to improve some stuff if he is going to even be an upgrade over AM overall..

 

[king_kong_]

I saw in Thompson a guy who couldn't throw on the run, and absolutely wilted when the littlest bit of pressure was put in him. It's on tape. You may need to
rewatch the tape. There is a thread that shows ALL of his offensive plays its 1:05 long..I would suggest u watch some of it to refresh ur memory. Cuz ur memory is hazy then.

Teams didn't start putting any pressure on him until TCU and their 118th ranked scoring D did and forced him Into a 12-22 game and showed that he absolutely melted under ANY pressure at all and became wildly inaccurate.

If u also notice on the tape he only made 2 total on the money throws the entire year where he actually had to fit a ball into a tight window. The rest if the time it was pitch and catch cuz all of his other completions were to TX talented WRs vs B12 defenses and his guys were always open by at least a step...that's simply not gonna happen in the b10.

Whipple is also going to face better defenses in the b10..

And almost all offenses operate better from the 20 to the 20..so no biggie we just gotta improve I'm I'm red zone.. yeah u act like SF will just snap his fingers and it will be fixed. So when has he ever been able to do that? Ever since he took over?

you are missing some key details, so I will simplify:

1. SF has relieved himself of his duties on offense. It will be Whipple's sausage fingers doing the snapping, not SF's, in order to fix things.

2. the defenses in the B1G west are not better than what Thompson faced last year. please introduce yourself to opponent-adjusted metrics.

3. we have receivers running wide open on nearly every play (yes, even in the "stingy" B1G!). Adrian couldn't find/hit them. I'm betting a pure passer like Thompson will be able to.

4. the TCU game was the first game Thompson attempted to gut out a fairly serious thumb injury on his throwing hand. someone who's watched so much "tape" like yourself should probably have known that. all box scores are not equal.

 

[inWV]

you are missing some key details, so I will simplify:

1. SF has relieved himself of his duties on offense. It will be Whipple's sausage fingers doing the snapping, not SF's, in order to fix things.

2. the defenses in the B1G west are not better than what Thompson faced last year. please introduce yourself to opponent-adjusted metrics.

3. we have receivers running wide open on nearly every play (yes, even in the "stingy" B1G!). Adrian couldn't find/hit them. I'm betting a pure passer like Thompson will be able to.

4. the TCU game was the first game Thompson attempted to gut out a fairly serious thumb injury on his throwing hand. someone who's watched so much "tape" like yourself should probably have known that. all box scores are not equal.

But you see, Whipple didn't do a quick turnaround at the two P5 schools where he was OC/QB coach (factoid - both teams had winning records the season before he arrived but their records improved in his first year). Other aspects of his long coaching career don't count. Also, Thompson is a bum. B1G Ds are scary (factoid - they range from good to very good). And maybe some other stuff tbd.

 

[TruHusker]

Anyone who doesn't think our OL needs to take a major step forward should be banned from this board for life.

That is the #1 key to everything next year.

 

[king_kong_]

Anyone who doesn't think our OL needs to take a major step forward should be banned from this board for life.

That is the #1 key to everything next year.

what if I told you Alabama saw more QB hurries and sacks than Nebraska did in 2021?

better quarterback play is the #1 key to everything next year.

please do not take this factual statement to mean everyone else doesn't need to improve, as well. but, we will only go as far as our quarterback takes us. a good quarterback makes everyone else look good. adrian martinez did the opposite.

 

[Boiler_B]

you are missing some key details, so I will simplify:

1. SF has relieved himself of his duties on offense. It will be Whipple's sausage fingers doing the snapping, not SF's, in order to fix things.

2. the defenses in the B1G west are not better than what Thompson faced last year. please introduce yourself to opponent-adjusted metrics.

3. we have receivers running wide open on nearly every play (yes, even in the "stingy" B1G!). Adrian couldn't find/hit them. I'm betting a pure passer like Thompson will be able to.

4. the TCU game was the first game Thompson attempted to gut out a fairly serious thumb injury on his throwing hand. someone who's watched so much "tape" like yourself should probably have known that. all box scores are not equal.

1. There has been no clear cut statements gatheredtgat SF js going to 100% step away and let Whipppe 100% run the O. However if that's the case please see: Whipple hasn't turned any O or QB around quickly at the p5 level...EVER.

2. Lol...opponent adjusted metrics? Post them so we can see. Go and look at the scoring defenses in the b10 compared to the b12..

3. CT a pure passer? Do pure passsers normally have not even a 64% completion%..while making an absolute LIVING throwing easy % passes to running backs out of the backfield like he did last yr? Wouldn't his completion % be much higher?
As an example 6 of his 12 completions vs TCU were to RBS out of the backfield w no one around them . Aka easy throws. So that means he was 6-16 on the rest of his tosses that game.. not too accurate.

4. He didnt suffer His hand Injury UNTIL the OU game and the TCU game was before the OU game.so nice try, but not accurate.

5. Watching his tape, his qbr release time is better than AMs but that's simply becuz he threw SO MANY balls quick balls to the wr swing passess and to the RBs out of the backfield..when he dropped back normally his times were the same the same as AMs were.

6. No our WRs were not getting open as quickly and as often as the TX WRs were. They were faster and more talented than ours and they played against poorer defenses.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I thought I sent this yesterday but i guess it didn’t go because it was still in the text box.

Just to address the edit - there is so much that goes into play calling. Coaches don't abandon plays just to have some fun calling a different one. You call plays to set up other plays. An example off the top of my head was the sequence against Iowa, I believe. Hand off to the RB off the left side, WR from the opposite side follows the play. Later in the game, the same formation, same play, until the RB ran option with the trailing WR. You call plays to see how the defense will react.

I get that. But perhaps you can explain to me why, for example, after a first half in which Smothers was having great success running on the perimeter against Iowa (mostly strong side runs) that we almost completely abandoned such runs in the second half? Did Iowa adjust by shifting someone extra to the strong side and so we reacted by not running in that direction anymore? I don't know. It is obviously easy for an armchair fan such as myself to sit back and criticize the play calling. But I think deficient play calling is one of the reasons why Alberts wants Frost to hang that part of his job up. I exaggerated when I said that he went away from what works just for the fun of calling different plays. But the gist of my complaint is the same: Frost's play calling seems erratic and scattershot to me.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

To take it another step further, the goal is to get the D to move how and where you want them. I don't understand why everyone seems to think the game is static- that play worked last week or last series, it should work again. If it were only that simple, it truly is not. Just moving a DL or LB a shade one way can make a huge difference. But carry on and complain, it could get pretty rough around here next year.

No need to be condescending. I am well aware that the game is not "static" and that calling plays is a chess match with all kinds of subtleties involved that are not immediately apparent to the average fan. But I am not the only one to notice that Frost's play calling seems scattershot and devoid of the very strategic nuances you allude to. Many pundits have raised the same issue. In fact, the criticism is precisely that Frost's play calling seems to lack the nuances and subtleties you describe. Great play callers are masters of this. Poor ones are not. Now... how much of this is unrelated to play calling and revolves instead around a lack of talent to execute the plays? Probably some. But great offensive scheming can also go a long ways toward overcoming some talent deficits here and there. I think Alberts senses too that Frost has not been an effective play caller which is why he essentially forced him to give up that part of his job. Yes, he wants Frost to focus on being more of a CEO and so you could say that is the only reason why Alberts forced him to give up play calling. But I suspect that if Alberts thought Frost was a good play caller he would not have made this decision.

 

[inWV]

No need to be condescending. I am well aware that the game is not "static" and that calling plays is a chess match with all kinds of subtleties involved that are not immediately apparent to the average fan. But I am not the only one to notice that Frost's play calling seems scattershot and devoid of the very strategic nuances you allude to. Many pundits have raised the same issue. In fact, the criticism is precisely that Frost's play calling seems to lack the nuances and subtleties you describe. Great play callers are masters of this. Poor ones are not. Now... how much of this is unrelated to play calling and revolves instead around a lack of talent to execute the plays? Probably some. But great offensive scheming can also go a long ways toward overcoming some talent deficits here and there. I think Alberts senses too that Frost has not been an effective play caller which is why he essentially forced him to give up that part of his job. Yes, he wants Frost to focus on being more of a CEO and so you could say that is the only reason why Alberts forced him to give up play calling. But I suspect that if Alberts thought Frost was a good play caller he would not have made this decision.

Has this been a case of deficient talent, or talent that has lacked development and preparation. As for the play calling thing, whether play calling was on the in house hire sheet or not, Whipple is more than experienced enough to develop a play call sheet. But Frost has pretty deep experience in an offensive approach. Whipple's record shows he has a pretty catholic approach to developing offensive schemes (what works best with the talent at your disposal). So I would think Frost will have substantial input into the development of an offense. And he will only be a headset away during games.

 

[king_kong_]

1. There has been no clear cut statements gatheredtgat SF js going to 100% step away and let Whipppe 100% run the O. However if that's the case please see: Whipple hasn't turned any O or QB around quickly at the p5 level...EVER.

2. Lol...opponent adjusted metrics? Post them so we can see. Go and look at the scoring defenses in the b10 compared to the b12..

3. CT a pure passer? Do pure passsers normally have not even a 64% completion%..while making an absolute LIVING throwing easy % passes to running backs out of the backfield like he did last yr? Wouldn't his completion % be much higher?
As an example 6 of his 12 completions vs TCU were to RBS out of the backfield w no one around them . Aka easy throws. So that means he was 6-16 on the rest of his tosses that game.. not too accurate.

4. He didnt suffer His hand Injury UNTIL the OU game and the TCU game was before the OU game.so nice try, but not accurate.

5. Watching his tape, his qbr release time is better than AMs but that's simply becuz he threw SO MANY balls quick balls to the wr swing passess and to the RBs out of the backfield..when he dropped back normally his times were the same the same as AMs were.

6. No our WRs were not getting open as quickly and as often as the TX WRs were. They were faster and more talented than ours and they played against poorer defenses.

1. From this very easily found article on ESPN:

Frost last month said stepping back and turning over the offense to someone new will not be an easy adjustment for him, but he said it's necessary.

again - this offense doesn't need a complete turnaround like you're screaming about. it just needs tweaks and a capable quarterback who doesn't give the ball to the other team more than once/game like we watched our former, incapable quarterback do.

2. you will obviously never understand the simple fact B1G scoring defenses rank highly is due to the complete and total dearth of offense (and offensive talent, especially at QB) in the conference outside of 4 teams. other P5 conferences that play just a tiny bit of offense lit B1G defenses up like a Christmas tree all bowl season.

3. lots of rambling. completion % =/= accuracy. pointing at one game over and over as an indictment is fool-hearty at best.

4. you're right. I was wrong.

5. Thompson is vastly superior to AM in every way with regards to playing the quarterback position in a traditional sense. footwork, release, eye-level, everything. he is a huge upgrade.

6. WR separation is not in the top 20 issues on the team. we have guys running wide open all. the. time.

 

[BetterRed1]

Damn. Who let Debbie in here?

 

[NebChicago]

The more I read about this guy, the more I like. It makes all the sense in the world to within reason modify your plans to fit the players you have. Whipple has participated in developing a variety of offensive schemes.

Just hope it’s note too little too late

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I get that. But perhaps you can explain to me why, for example, after a first half in which Smothers was having great success running on the perimeter against Iowa (mostly strong side runs) that we almost completely abandoned such runs in the second half? Did Iowa adjust by shifting someone extra to the strong side and so we reacted by not running in that direction anymore? I don't know. It is obviously easy for an armchair fan such as myself to sit back and criticize the play calling. But I think deficient play calling is one of the reasons why Alberts wants Frost to hang that part of his job up. I exaggerated when I said that he went away from what works just for the fun of calling different plays. But the gist of my complaint is the same: Frost's play calling seems erratic and scattershot to me.

I’m just saying that that very few of us know what it takes to call plays at that level. Simply moving a DLineman from a 4i tech to a 5 may force a playcall to be changed.

 

[Kakdawg]

I was with you until the Edit. I am going to go way out on a limb and predict a large complaint section about Whipple's play calling. He has stated over and over he wants to do what the D doesn't expect. I can see us running the ball and all the sudden he calls for a bomb. Uh oh. Mark my words, I said it in January!

That's definitely possible. Is it a prerequisite that all offensive coordinators/play callers have to be the smartest guys in the room?


Holla

 

[TruHusker]

what if I told you Alabama saw more QB hurries and sacks than Nebraska did in 2021?

better quarterback play is the #1 key to everything next year.

please do not take this factual statement to mean everyone else doesn't need to improve, as well. but, we will only go as far as our quarterback takes us. a good quarterback makes everyone else look good. adrian martinez did the opposite.

wait.....weren't you the one telling us the B1G is a crappy conference and the SEC is far superior? So, going against better teams each week would answer some of those disparities in QB hurries. On second thought, Buffalo and Fordham must of really padded our stats.

 

[king_kong_]

wait.....weren't you the one telling us the B1G is a crappy conference and the SEC is far superior? So, going against better teams each week would answer some of those disparities in QB hurries. On second thought, Buffalo and Fordham must of really padded our stats.

a great QB wins the Heisman despite facing better competition and more frequent pressure

a bad one craps all over himself 30 some-odd times then is unceremoniously exiled to kansas st

all things equal, getting better quarterback play is priority #1 for our success in 2022

 

[TruHusker]

No need to be condescending. I am well aware that the game is not "static" and that calling plays is a chess match with all kinds of subtleties involved that are not immediately apparent to the average fan. But I am not the only one to notice that Frost's play calling seems scattershot and devoid of the very strategic nuances you allude to. Many pundits have raised the same issue. In fact, the criticism is precisely that Frost's play calling seems to lack the nuances and subtleties you describe. Great play callers are masters of this. Poor ones are not. Now... how much of this is unrelated to play calling and revolves instead around a lack of talent to execute the plays? Probably some. But great offensive scheming can also go a long ways toward overcoming some talent deficits here and there. I think Alberts senses too that Frost has not been an effective play caller which is why he essentially forced him to give up that part of his job. Yes, he wants Frost to focus on being more of a CEO and so you could say that is the only reason why Alberts forced him to give up play calling. But I suspect that if Alberts thought Frost was a good play caller he would not have made this decision.

Not meant to be and I am not a defender of Frost and his play calling. All I am saying is there is a reason coaches get away from something that was working. It isn't just because they have this big play book they need to use.

Shoot, even in HS games we would adjust at half time and change blocking schemes and ask guys up front what is going on and make changes. That is HS. Adjustments are made all the time but major ones come at half time when you have time to watch some film and ask players what they are seeing. Stopping the outside stuff is fairly easy by itself. Widen your D end and the backers. You can even get out of the cover 2 which teams generally love to run against and bring a safety up for support. There are games within the game going on all the time and when one team takes the other teams strengths away, it usually spells trouble.

Remember the old days of glory when teams would come out and just bring the house every play and we would struggle and struggle to score until finally we would break a big one. We had the players to do that which we don't now and we also had the players to keep plowing ahead and doing their job even though the numbers were not in their favor. I called plays at the HS JV level and it was the most difficult thing I have ever done and that includes managing a small college. It was a good thing people weren't second guessing every call I sent in, they didn't all work!

 

[Boiler_B]

1. From this very easily found article on ESPN:

Frost last month said stepping back and turning over the offense to someone new will not be an easy adjustment for him, but he said it's necessary.

again - this offense doesn't need a complete turnaround like you're screaming about. it just needs tweaks and a capable quarterback who doesn't give the ball to the other team more than once/game like we watched our former, incapable quarterback do.

2. you will obviously never understand the simple fact B1G scoring defenses rank highly is due to the complete and total dearth of offense (and offensive talent, especially at QB) in the conference outside of 4 teams. other P5 conferences that play just a tiny bit of offense lit B1G defenses up like a Christmas tree all bowl season.

3. lots of rambling. completion % =/= accuracy. pointing at one game over and over as an indictment is fool-hearty at best.

4. you're right. I was wrong.

5. Thompson is vastly superior to AM in every way with regards to playing the quarterback position in a traditional sense. footwork, release, eye-level, everything. he is a huge upgrade.

6. WR separation is not in the top 20 issues on the team. we have guys running wide open all. the. time.

If number 5 were even remotely true, wouldn't CT gave a far superior completion% than AM does?

Yet they are virtually identical?

63.8 vs 63.5 for AM?

If CT is this vastly superior qb in all these things..why can't he complete more of his passes then?

I can tell u AM throws a more accurate deep ball.AM is more accurate ubder pressure AND throwing on the run than CT is.

CT is better at hitting the short high % passes like RB out of the backfield than AM is.

I use the TCU game cuz it is pre hand injury, and peeps can't use his hand Injury as an excuse. *like u already tried to do once already) as well as point out how often his compl % is dependent in the short easy passes or else his completion % would be dogsh^t in the year..it would be in the 50 percentile.

So again answer me, why does this far superior to AM qb that u claim, who throws and completes so many high % easy passes to RBs...why is his completion % not higher than AMs is? Why isn't it higher overall?

The way u talk CT should be completing close to 70% of his passes, instead if almost the exact same amount as AM.

What gives?

 

[king_kong_]

If number 5 were even remotely true, wouldn't CT gave a far superior completion% than AM does?

Yet they are virtually identical?

63.8 vs 63.5 for AM?

If CT is this vastly superior qb in all these things..why can't he complete more of his passes then?

I can tell u AM throws a more accurate deep ball.AM is more accurate ubder pressure AND throwing on the run than CT is.

CT is better at hitting the short high % passes like RB out of the backfield than AM is.

I use the TCU game cuz it is pre hand injury, and peeps can't use his hand Injury as an excuse. *like u already tried to do once already) as well as point out how often his compl % is dependent in the short easy passes or else his completion % would be dogsh^t in the year..it would be in the 50 percentile.

So again answer me, why does this far superior to AM qb that u claim, who throws and completes so many high % easy passes to RBs...why is his completion % not higher than AMs is? Why isn't it higher overall?

The way u talk CT should be completing close to 70% of his passes, instead if almost the exact same amount as AM.

What gives?

the quarterback who led the nation in completion percentage this year got benched halfway through the season & transferred (Spencer Rattler)

the stat means nothing & is largely engineered based on scheme

I will add that AM was only graded as a good deep ball passer this year, a year in which his completion % dropped 10% because, well, obviously he's not an accurate deep ball thrower (some regression expected due to lower expected completion% over 20yds) and he threw a lot more this year than the previous two (Y/A over 9 vs in the 7s).

CT's completion percentage was 1.5% higher than AM's this year, which, again, I believe means nothing.

 

[Boiler_B]

the quarterback who led the nation in completion percentage this year got benched halfway through the season & transferred (Spencer Rattler)

the stat means nothing & is largely engineered based on scheme

I will add that AM was only graded as a good deep ball passer this year, a year in which his completion % dropped 10% because, well, obviously he's not an accurate deep ball thrower (some regression expected due to lower expected completion% over 20yds) and he threw a lot more this year than the previous two (Y/A over 9 vs in the 7s).

CT's completion percentage was 1.5% higher than AM's this year, which, again, I believe means nothing.

The complet % I used is the career compl % numbers I used they are virtually identical. 63.5 vs 63.8.

Yes complete % does matter to an extent, cuz it does paint a picture of how accurate you are with the football. It's not the end all stat, but does paint a picture nontheless.
I find it funny how u point out Rattler ws benched, but then are unaware or gloss over the fact that CT was benched multiple times on the season for TX as well. Why is that?

If u make a ton of short throws, yet ur complet % is low like CTs is..u have to question; how accurate of a passer is he overall?

And if u are going to call him a pure passer, AND he completes a ton of easy throws, and his comple % is not higher, I am going to have to call BS on the pure passer claim u are making on this. And yes Sarks O is one that allows a high completion % for his scheme. See all the easy throws in his O. CT made a living off of a ton of EASY high percentage throws in Sarks offensive scheme.

But also remember I didn't just use compl % as the end all.

I also pointed out his inaccurate deep balls, his inaccurate while running and throwing, and how his compl % melts away while under pressure, even only a little pressure..that's a problem, and he will need to improve that especially of our Oline does not make big improvements.

I also questioned "if" he can actually make tight windw throws if needed..cuz he only made two ALL of last year and may be asked to make more this coming season. But that is more of an X factor cuz we just dont know. He never HAD to make any tight window throws cuz all his guys were running wide open all the time at TX.

U used one example an outlier in complet %, yet u are trying to prove a point. How did the other higher % throwers do this year? Did pretty well no? How did the Heisman winner do or Pickett? They didn't have 63% complet %...they were higher.

And it's not clear that Frost is going to step back..he says "if he is going to take a step back calling plays" in other articles and its certainly not clear in other writeups I have seen either he will give whipple 100% play calling control, in fact it sounds more of a group effort to me from what I have read.

That doesnt sound like he is 100% handing off he O to Whipple to play Dr Frakenstein. U can bet SF will still be involved in the play calls to some extent.

 

[bshirt73]

Anyone who doesn't think our OL needs to take a major step forward should be banned from this board for life.

That is the #1 key to everything next year.

Amen! Somehow, someway we must have a decent Oline.

 

[Rhule Szn]

Even if they fumble the snap?

A fumbled snap under center is more likely to be recovered by the defense than shotgun. So you've got a good point.

 

[maly]

Jebus Boiler. I'm not confident this thing will work in short order either but a change at QB and the entire offensive staff changing gives me reason to give it a chance.

If nothing else with that much turnover it's going to look very different.

Oline is my biggest concern by a country mile but Thompson is fairly elusive so he may be able to cover up their deficiencies.

If Casey truly is a baller and a winner maybe he can raise the level of this team and get us to 8 or 9 wins. Fingers crossed

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The complet % I used is the career compl % numbers I used they are virtually identical. 63.5 vs 63.8.

Yes complete % does matter to an extent, cuz it does paint a picture of how accurate you are with the football. It's not the end all stat, but does paint a picture nontheless.
I find it funny how u point out Rattler ws benched, but then are unaware or gloss over the fact that CT was benched multiple times on the season for TX as well. Why is that?

If u make a ton of short throws, yet ur complet % is low like CTs is..u have to question; how accurate of a passer is he overall?

And if u are going to call him a pure passer, AND he completes a ton of easy throws, and his comple % is not higher, I am going to have to call BS on the pure passer claim u are making on this. And yes Sarks O is one that allows a high completion % for his scheme. See all the easy throws in his O. CT made a living off of a ton of EASY high percentage throws in Sarks offensive scheme.

But also remember I didn't just use compl % as the end all.

I also pointed out his inaccurate deep balls, his inaccurate while running and throwing, and how his compl % melts away while under pressure, even only a little pressure..that's a problem, and he will need to improve that especially of our Oline does not make big improvements.

I also questioned "if" he can actually make tight windw throws if needed..cuz he only made two ALL of last year and may be asked to make more this coming season. But that is more of an X factor cuz we just dont know. He never HAD to make any tight window throws cuz all his guys were running wide open all the time at TX.

U used one example an outlier in complet %, yet u are trying to prove a point. How did the other higher % throwers do this year? Did pretty well no? How did the Heisman winner do or Pickett? They didn't have 63% complet %...they were higher.

And it's not clear that Frost is going to step back..he says "if he is going to take a step back calling plays" in other articles and its certainly not clear in other writeups I have seen either he will give whipple 100% play calling control, in fact it sounds more of a group effort to me from what I have read.

That doesnt sound like he is 100% handing off he O to Whipple to play Dr Frakenstein. U can bet SF will still be involved in the play calls to some extent.

You are the guy that wants to go to a high end steak house, when you get there you order and get a top of the line ribeye then spend the rest of the meal trying to convince everyone that round steak is actually better than the ribeye, (if it is prepared right).

 

[inWV]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. That no longer applies. None of us know if this thing is going to work for Frost and rest of the guys. But we hope it does. I'd say three of the four offensive hires are experienced and clear upgrades. Joseph and Applewhite are known as good recruiters. Raiola is a wildcard.
Nebraska fans love a run heavy offense and love QBs who excel in the run game. Even with better offensive lines, the two QBs before Frost got beat to ****. TMart and Tommy ended their collegiate career with injuries. Adrian had a pretty long list of injuries and ended his career at NU on the sideline. And maybe, just maybe, an offense that features heavy run out of the QB spot limits recruiting for guys who fancy themselves a feature back.
Will be interesting to see what comes from these changes.

 

[beaglehusker]

For those who don't know, it doesn't do much good debating with boiler. He will change the argument and rant until you get sick of him.

 

[dinglefritz]

I watched every Texas game live last season, and was very impressed by Thompson. I still can't believe we got him. Oklahoma State's defense last year was lightyears better than any B1G defense.

our offense had ZERO issue moving the ball against the "mighty B1G" (LOL, this league is the definition of average) last year with a quarterback who is a mere fraction of the passer Thompson is.

I do not think our line needs to take a major step forward. again - we ranked in the top 1/3rd of the league in offense last year with a pretty mediocre line.

I am banking on Whipple, given his age, experience and demeanor, being able to tell Frost to F off when he needs to and take ownership in the offense. the only place they need to improve is in the redzone.

you are acting like we are starting from scratch. we are not. Austin Allen and Toure, while fine players, are infinitely replaceable.

10 B1G teams would kill for the offensive output we had in 2021.

I just watched Whipple's full introductory press conference. Wow. I started off thinking this guy is going to put me to sleep. 5 minutes in I'm impressed. We've got a grown up who knows his sh## directing our offense now.

 

[dinglefritz]

For those who don't know, it doesn't do much good debating with boiler. He will change the argument and rant until you get sick of him.

He's not a full fledged Husker fan and loves to stir the pot.

 

[pgainey]

I just watched Whipple's full introductory press conference. Wow. I started off thinking this guy is going to put me to sleep. 5 minutes in I'm impressed. We've got a grown up who knows his sh## directing our offense now.

amen! Thank heavens the former guy directing the offense got demoted to head coach/CEO

 

[dinglefritz]

amen! Thank heavens the former guy directing the offense got demoted to head coach/CEO

One thing that I repeatedly voiced concern about was completely gutting our offense and installing new terminology. Whipple isn't going to do that. He said there will be some minor terminology changes on some things, but said he's been around this offense since he started in coaching and has studied it at length. He said he'll mesh his knowledge with what we already do and call plays for the strengths of whatever QB is in the game. He specifically mentioned Logan when asked about keeping some option concepts and said there will be option available if Logan is the QB. This was before Thompson and Chubba committed but the point is worth noting.

I'm very excited to see what he can do with our QBs. I think we made a HUUUGE upgrade in our QB coaching.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

One thing that I repeatedly voiced concern about was completely gutting our offense and installing new terminology. Whipple isn't going to do that. He said there will be some minor terminology changes on some things, but said he's been around this offense since he started in coaching and has studied it at length. He said he'll mesh his knowledge with what we already do and call plays for the strengths of whatever QB is in the game. He specifically mentioned Logan when asked about keeping some option concepts and said there will be option available if Logan is the QB. This was before Thompson and Chubba committed but the point is worth noting.

I'm very excited to see what he can do with our QBs. I think we made a HUUUGE upgrade in our QB coaching.

As I said in an earlier thread on Boys In The Trench, by default, NU will be better this year. We FINALLY have some adults on the offensive side of the ball. Frost has a place in some of the offensive scheming, as long as Whipple wants to incorporate it in the play calling.

I'm not predicting anything for next year yet, because I think this staff will work their *** off trying to plug spots that they think are really weak.

Average OL talent you can work with, below average with lots of mistakes are the killers of offense that Frost has allowed to go unchecked.

I think there will be lots of personnel movement in the OL, just to find what we really have. As a fan, I'm pretty concerned about the DL and their overall level of talent. I think the group of LB's will be fine, and I think the DB's will be fine also.

I can see Mickey going after some good kids that were backups in that SEC and stuck behind a really talented started. NU could really use a couple of those types.

So far, the kids they are bringing in give me hope that the talent will be here eventually. Not hype, not kool-aid, just hope that change is on the way.

 

[dinglefritz]

I get that. But perhaps you can explain to me why, for example, after a first half in which Smothers was having great success running on the perimeter against Iowa (mostly strong side runs) that we almost completely abandoned such runs in the second half? Did Iowa adjust by shifting someone extra to the strong side and so we reacted by not running in that direction anymore? I don't know. It is obviously easy for an armchair fan such as myself to sit back and criticize the play calling. But I think deficient play calling is one of the reasons why Alberts wants Frost to hang that part of his job up. I exaggerated when I said that he went away from what works just for the fun of calling different plays. But the gist of my complaint is the same: Frost's play calling seems erratic and scattershot to me.

That one was all about the adjustments Iowa made at half time to stop that outside option game. It had in part to do with how they were playing their linebackers. We still moved the ball pretty damned well in the 2nd half but were kneecapped by turnovers and bad field position. That fumble was a back breaker and that inside zone read option was open for a huge gainer and Smothers missed that read trying to pull the ball. The blocked punt and that fumble cost us the game IMO. TWO freaking plays.

 

[dinglefritz]

As I said in an earlier thread on Boys In The Trench, by default, NU will be better this year. We FINALLY have some adults on the offensive side of the ball. Frost has a place in some of the offensive scheming, as long as Whipple wants to incorporate it in the play calling.

I'm not predicting anything for next year yet, because I think this staff will work their *** off trying to plug spots that they think are really weak.

Average OL talent you can work with, below average with lots of mistakes are the killers of offense that Frost has allowed to go unchecked.

I think there will be lots of personnel movement in the OL, just to find what we really have. As a fan, I'm pretty concerned about the DL and their overall level of talent. I think the group of LB's will be fine, and I think the DB's will be fine also.

I can see Mickey going after some good kids that were backups in that SEC and stuck behind a really talented started. NU could really use a couple of those types.

So far, the kids they are bringing in give me hope that the talent will be here eventually. Not hype, not kool-aid, just hope that change is on the way.

Fundamentally sound O line play with play calling set to their strengths and protect their weaknesses should help us a lot.