will there be a salary cap?
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I like the charity work - but this is all just stupid unless it all goes to charity. These are "kids" on a full-ride scholarship.
That, or the next time a poster here lays into a college football player for Nebraska (or whomever), I definitely don't want to hear "he's just a kid." Let's just stop calling them "kids."
Or perhaps just allow them to go pro after high school. Stop trying to mix, whatever this is, with academics and higher learning. I realize it's already been happening for a while now, but I can't imagine what little pricks this is breeding in some high school players now.
I'm 43 years old. Get off my lawn.
That, or the next time a poster here lays into a college football player for Nebraska (or whomever), I definitely don't want to hear "he's just a kid." Let's just stop calling them "kids."
Or perhaps just allow them to go pro after high school. Stop trying to mix, whatever this is, with academics and higher learning. I realize it's already been happening for a while now, but I can't imagine what little pricks this is breeding in some high school players now.
I'm 43 years old. Get off my lawn.
So we were good with paying coaches 5 million a year and 10’s of millions in buyouts, but the players get a cut and it’s not college athletics anymore?
I would look at it as you're paying coaches that much to ensure those kids on scholarship are getting the best money can buy so those wanting to go pro have the ability. If each athlete were to go out and hire a personal trainers to refine their skills, how much would that come out to when totaled? It's the schools fault that coaches make as much as they do, it's the price of winning and furthering the kids chances of playing at the next level.
I think those proclaiming how Nebraska was well ahead of the curve on NIL matters were speaking only of organizational issues and forgot about the more important issue of actually having a cash reserve to tap into
there are going to be big market and small market programs
there are going to be big market and small market programs
Exactly this. It isn't the size of Nebraska's alumni base that puts it at a major disadvantage, but the wealth of that base, and the corporate presence in Lincoln. Satellite locations State Farm, Kawasaki, and Zoetis are chicken feed compared to the kinds of $$$ that can be put up in the major population centers.
An example. My wife is working on a project with a new coworker who had recently gotten married. The woman married one of the cofounders of a big tech firm in Austin. Net worth: $600 million, based on one publication. Those kinds of people grow on trees in Austin. I live in a middle class (for Austin) subdivision, and there are two Ferraris parked in driveways here.
The NIL just puts podunk programs like Nebraska at an ever greater disadvantage. It was bad enough when the NCAA stopped allowing teams to use private jets to fly recruits to campus, which was just another barrier to recruiting the coasts. The "haves" of the world are going to be able to offer million-dollar endorsement deals, which the "have-nots" are going to offer deodorant commercials.
I see it the same way. Nebraska only produces so many people with means to make this a thing for the players.
Other teams located in larger populations that have not had the success that Nebraska has had can possibly buy that success now that' it's legal to pay players.
So these rich Texans form a nonprofit to support nonprofits, get a tax writeoff for being boosters and the linemen get paid to visit kids in hospitals like they already did. Sweet deal.
I’m just going to quote myself from back in June:
“The NIL doesn’t benefit Nebraska football in the slightest. The $EC is already literally paying its top players 6 figures. A Nebraska player making $20-$30k is irrelevant.
It’ll help lesser sports like the volleyball team, because due to the fan support it will draw in better recruits, because players like Lexi Sun could make decent money.”
“The NIL doesn’t benefit Nebraska football in the slightest. The $EC is already literally paying its top players 6 figures. A Nebraska player making $20-$30k is irrelevant.
It’ll help lesser sports like the volleyball team, because due to the fan support it will draw in better recruits, because players like Lexi Sun could make decent money.”
There's another NIL deal that was just announced that'll boost that number for OL to $150k per year. Crazy times for what was previously known as college football.
The problem with that thinking is that any school has the option to pay that amount of money and bring in the expensive head coach if they choose to. But only a few schools will be in position to set their players up with tons of NIL deals/money.
I'd think recent history would suggest Nebraska could go after the same players that Texas does (maybe I'm wrong, but you guys have been bringing in good ranked classes). Do you really think you'll get a lineman to pay attention to your school if they get offered by Texas now?
This isn't the market, this is a group of boosters using NIL to do what they have wanted to do all along - pay the best players to go to Texas. Do you really believe that each offensive lineman on scholarship at Texas is worth $50,000 / year? You're just bs-ing us if you do.
tell us you never set foot within 100 miles of an economics 101 course without telling us
huh? I can't even tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, based on that remark.
I'm not surprised, piddly-brained minnesotan. your confusion is made very apparent in your post. a breakdown:
you say NIL 'isn't the market', when, in fact, a group of boosters willing to purchase available goods/services is the exact definition of a market.
and, since the literal first rule of market economics is that goods/services are worth what someone will pay for them, your question: "are UT's linemen worth $50k each?" has an extraordinarily obvious answer, according to market principals, which is yes (duh), because that's what they're getting.
very funny. made my day!
Nebraska was going to have an uphill climb to stay competitive with NIL for the reasons others have mentioned. This is why I am afraid Frost’s failure will be the death-knell of Nebraska football. Had he won like we thought he would, our winning tradition could help narrow the gap with NIL and with perception. But instead, we have five straight losing seasons and no hope with the same coach. And small pools for both recruiting and wealthy boosters.
Nebraska wasn’t pulling kids over Texas generally ever anyway. And regardless, the people actually playing deserve their piece of the $$$.
Ah yes, a 10 year old in his mom's basement trying to argue economics with a grown up. Not gonna waste my time.
Even if it ruins the sport? It's not like they weren't getting compensation before.
Paying people doesn’t ruin anything, if anything NLI dollars could keep a day 2 guy in college another year instead of jumping early to the NFL.
It’s not like this stuff wasn’t happening anyway, this gets it more in the open at least.
Re: bolded, it certainly can. You're just being too generic in your statement. What I mean is, if every player earns roughly the same amount, then NIL is harmless. But if only 10 schools can offer money that is out of the ballpark for anyone else, it will ruin the chances of anyone cracking through the ceiling.
The NFL became far more popular with a salary cap, overtaking baseball as "America's sport". Without a cap, the past 3 decades would have been nothing but Dallas and San Fran duking it out while everyone else watches.
And sure it was happening before, but not on a scale grand enough to alter things this much.
I get it, you're in favor of players being paid and nothing is going to change your mind. So don't bother replying, just come back to this thread in 5 years and see how college football now sucks.
In 8 years 13 teams have made the playoffs, Bama, Clemson, OU and Ohio State have combined for 21 of the 32 berths handed out. Only 5 teams have played for a national title in 7 years. 2 teams account for 5 of the 7 national titles.
Within the frame work of that salary cap the Detroit Lions starting left tackle makes 3x what their head coach makes -
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I'll remember that if I'm ever on Jeopardy. Was there a point? Oh I get it, you're trying to infer that the gap already exists, so NIL isn't a big deal? Again, very plain, 10,000 foot point of view. You guys competed with Michigan and tOSU. You're right, your school will continue to lose to them, but it won't be close anymore. It'll just be a beatdown from start to finish. That's the difference! Both of our schools get 4 star recruits and good 3 star ones, allowing us to at least compete with the big dogs (Gophers were leading tOSU in the second half, for example). So yes, I agree the same schools will be competing for championships, but they'll just coast through the regular season much easier now, just like in the '80s.
Anymore points you wanna bring up without thinking them through first?
That's only because the other 31 teams can also spend the same amount. If it bothers you that coaches make a ton and players get very little, fine, but this isn't the way to change it.
Ohio State is 77-5 in their last 82 B1G games. Nobody is competing with them, the occasional slip up for them happens, but nobody is competing with them in the B1G.
If anything guys number 18-25 in their recruiting class may decide to be #1-5 in Nebraska’s recruiting class assuming we pay more for our top guys than they play for their depth pieces.
With the first paragraph, I think you're abusing the word "competing". I certainly felt we competed with them, being up at half time, getting the lead back in the 3rd quarter, and generally keeping it close til the end. In the last 77 B1G wins, I'm sure there are plenty of examples like that where tOSU won, but they didn't just curb-stomp the opponent for 60 minutes. Do I plan on the Gophers winning the B1G before they do? No. But at least the gap isn't as far as it otherwise would be.
With the second paragraph, that would be an ideal scenario, but how likely is it when the numbers are this large? Go to Texas, get your $50K per year, maybe transfer to a place like Nebraska or Minnesota if you aren't starting and want to start your final year in hopes of getting drafted. But kids currently go to those schools knowing they might ride the bench and they still go, so offering the backups a few grand isn't gonna move the needle.
This will be like European soccer.
Do you guys think your boosters can pull something like this off? Btw, "the game" was awesome, was pulling for you guys hard. Hope you can beat Georgia.
If you were worth 500 million what's 50k or even 500k. People spend money on what they want, if they want some kid to go to their favorite team they should be able to.
That is an interesting way of looking at it. I just never wanted to see amateur athletics for sale. Sports that have ways to prevent this in excess (NFL) are thriving, sports that don't (MLB and NBA) are sucking wind. So as college football goes the way of MLB, so will fan interest.
I believe in 5-8 years there will be a major college division and the minor college division. Those with the haves like Texas, Notre Dame, LSU, USC, etc. will have all the top tier college players because they can afford it. Teams like Nebraska, Kansas St, Iowa St., Colorado, NC State, etc. will be the minor leagues. These leagues probably wont be titled as major and minor but everyone will know it. College athletics will be toast for most of us.
The NBA has a salary cap since 1984/85. The facilities and coach races in college football have had “amateur athletics” for sale for a long time, only difference is players can get paid now.
Not sure what all the bitching is about. Nothing will change. Texas, Bama, LSU, OSU, Oregon, etc… will still get the best recruits. Now they will just get paid mostly legally. The sour grapes over this is mind boggling. Just like every other facet of life. The haves have, the nots don’t.