Trev Albert's on coaches saleries

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Trev appeared on Sports Nightly last evening. When asked about escalating coaches saleries he commented, "The reality is we're going to make a difficult decision. It might be easy for some and more difficult for others, but we're either going to be in the entertainment business or tied to the academic mission. I don't know that those are necessarily congruent all the time. It's a real challenge that we're facing."
Read into that what you want.
 

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Trev appeared on Sports Nightly last evening. When asked about escalating coaches saleries he commented, "The reality is we're going to make a difficult decision. It might be easy for some and more difficult for others, but we're either going to be in the entertainment business or tied to the academic mission. I don't know that those are necessarily congruent all the time. It's a real challenge that we're facing."
Read into that what you want.
It's more about how chancellors make decisions about the academics, and ADs make decisions about athletics. We're either going to keep up with the Jones' on paying ridiculous coaching salaries, or we don't. It's almost a Cold War-era spending spree. Perhaps the larger universities are attempting to bankrupt the smaller universities who have become increasingly competitive in the past few decades.

One thing they fail to acknowledge is that universities tend to do better financially when the football or basketball teams are doing well - if only from a sheer enrollment basis. A while back, I think someone even posted a study or two here, which laid all of that out.

So, I would say the two are "congruent" in that regard. Nebraska will never be a Northwestern in the B1G, academically speaking. But at least Northwestern was one of the few teams we beat in football this year. Same goes for Fordham. Bunch of nerds. šŸ˜‰
 

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It's more about how chancellors make decisions about the academics, and ADs make decisions about athletics. We're either going to keep up with the Jones' on paying ridiculous coaching salaries, or we don't. It's almost a Cold War-era spending spree. Perhaps the larger universities are attempting to bankrupt the smaller universities who have become increasingly competitive in the past few decades.

One thing they fail to acknowledge is that universities tend to do better financially when the football or basketball teams are doing well - if only from a sheer enrollment basis. A while back, I think someone even posted a study or two here, which laid all of that out.

So, I would say the two are "congruent" in that regard. Nebraska will never be a Northwestern in the B1G, academically speaking. But at least Northwestern was one of the few teams we beat in football this year. Same goes for Fordham. Bunch of nerds. šŸ˜‰

Sure enrollments can be up if the football team is good...but what do you have to spend to get there. Throwing out this staff at this time for example is twenty ish million plus the cost of contracts for the next coach which can bring the total cost of keeping up in the 70-80 million dollar range. For NU to act blue blood ish the bar has been set around a hundred million for top coaches plus that staff buyout.

How many extra students after expenses does it take for NU to even approach justify that cost if boosting the academic mission is part of the objective of having made the move.

Whether you go at it through a sexy football team or some other cheaper means of recruiting students there's only so many potential students that are considering NU and a good many of those are probably foreign and could give two you know what's about football.
 

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It's more about how chancellors make decisions about the academics, and ADs make decisions about athletics. We're either going to keep up with the Jones' on paying ridiculous coaching salaries, or we don't. It's almost a Cold War-era spending spree. Perhaps the larger universities are attempting to bankrupt the smaller universities who have become increasingly competitive in the past few decades.

One thing they fail to acknowledge is that universities tend to do better financially when the football or basketball teams are doing well - if only from a sheer enrollment basis. A while back, I think someone even posted a study or two here, which laid all of that out.

So, I would say the two are "congruent" in that regard. Nebraska will never be a Northwestern in the B1G, academically speaking. But at least Northwestern was one of the few teams we beat in football this year. Same goes for Fordham. Bunch of nerds. šŸ˜‰
A lot depends on how and where you get a coach. Poaching a coach from a top team before the end of a season cost much more than after a season and going about it in a more normal manner. IMO.

We don't need to pay 10-15 million. We can win paying a lot less.
 

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What I read into it is that clearly money is the only reason Frost is still employed at NU.
 

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im not sure what the numbers $$$ were, but gundy found some success being a conduit for guys on the rise.
fedora, holgorsen, yurcich...and the current dude was brought up in house.
in otherwords, they didnt go all power 5 oc's (fedora had one year at fl and holgorsen was riding leach's coattails).
but then again scott only has 6 games to make it work.
 

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how bad did 2020 covid season impact this?
(stupid kevin warren).
i havent heard about ath dept financials recently.

It's not about Kevin Warren and covid. MSU is a historical middle of the road team in our league that just out down a hundred million for a coach playing under the same rules we did in 2020.

Trevs comments Are being taken too much in the now and IMO are intended to be big picture.

Sustained tippy top football success a) isn't guaranteed and b) going to cost a **** ton of money in the coming decades. Is the donor base ready to commit to being an entertainment industry leader at the cost of hundreds of millions over the coming decades or is it happy to be in that second tier and put money towards academic and whatever other projects the uni has going on.

As other posters have pointed out we can get a good coach for less than teams are paying. But that's just now during the inflection. A few more silly seasons and the cost of coach inflation is going to be real, where teams are fighting over good but not super proven coaches at silly prices. To pay less and expect to be reasonably good would take a real eye for coaching talent at a G5 school or something like that because you are going to be paying unproven guys a substantial sun if money.
 

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"One thing they fail to acknowledge is that universities tend to do better financially when the football or basketball teams are doing well"

Undoubtedly true but what's not being acknowledged by sports fans when it come to this topic but we say all the time when talking sports.....sports is inherently cyclical.

Sure you have your outlier teams that just are good basically all the time, Duke and Kansas in bball, and for about forty years NU in football. NU was an outlier then and other blue bloods have also gone through long stretches where their football teams weren't buying them anything in the financial stability front.

Football as entertainment might be worth spending some fun money on, football as an investment when you have other more stable investment options...it might not be competitive in the portfolio when you are talking about long term returns.
 

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You got to PAY to PLAY!! Or you can just sit on the sidelines with your shick in your hand talking bout the good ole days!

This is why I wish we had gotten an experienced AD from a school that cared about football...
 

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You got to PAY to PLAY!! Or you can just sit on the sidelines with your shick in your hand talking bout the good ole days!

This is why I wish we had gotten an experienced AD from a school that cared about football...
I thought Moos was a experienced AD that cared about Football..
 

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You got to PAY to PLAY!! Or you can just sit on the sidelines with your shick in your hand talking bout the good ole days!

This is why I wish we had gotten an experienced AD from a school that cared about football...
I'm not sure where Trev personally stands. Maybe he does want to spend silly money. maybe he doesn't.

I do know enough of the situation to realize that he likely doesn't have access to the full resources of the donor base even if he wants to spend silly money. There are some old rich dudes who still believe Frost needs a bit more time and that money wouldn't be available to any AD you hire.
 

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It's not about Kevin Warren and covid. MSU is a historical middle of the road team in our league that just out down a hundred million for a coach playing under the same rules we did in 2020.

Trevs comments Are being taken too much in the now and IMO are intended to be big picture.

Sustained tippy top football success a) isn't guaranteed and b) going to cost a **** ton of money in the coming decades. Is the donor base ready to commit to being an entertainment industry leader at the cost of hundreds of millions over the coming decades or is it happy to be in that second tier and put money towards academic and whatever other projects the uni has going on.

As other posters have pointed out we can get a good coach for less than teams are paying. But that's just now during the inflection. A few more silly seasons and the cost of coach inflation is going to be real, where teams are fighting over good but not super proven coaches at silly prices. To pay less and expect to be reasonably good would take a real eye for coaching talent at a G5 school or something like that because you are going to be paying unproven guys a substantial sun if money.
I'd be fine with this direction if we fully committed to the triple option like the service academies. If you're gonna be second tier, might as well be a nightmare to prepare for and play and potentially win more than we should...
 

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That read like a BS excuse to me. How about admitting that the landscape of coaching and coach salaries is fluid and Nebraska is committed to winning and will do what is necessary to maintain a consistently winning program, regardless of salary. Cut the ****, we aren’t dumb…..and this school has enough scratch to pay what it takes if the winning is congruent(had to use his word) to the coaching staff salaries…..which it currently isn’t.
 

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I thought Moos was a experienced AD that cared about Football..
He was and I have no doubt that if he was still in Lincoln his answer to that question would have been completely different. I'm pretty sure he would say that we are about winning first and not money.

Remember he hired Leach to Wash St and didn't give a damn how anybody felt about it because he was a winner at TT. There is no way in hell Trev Albert's would hire Leach in Lincoln.....
 

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That read like a BS excuse to me. How about admitting that the landscape of coaching and coach salaries is fluid and Nebraska is committed to winning and will do what is necessary to maintain a consistently winning program, regardless of salary. Cut the ****, we aren’t dumb…..and this school has enough scratch to pay what it takes if the winning is congruent(had to use his word) to the coaching staff salaries…..which it currently isn’t.
If the administration and donors are considering giving up top tier football because of expense of it in the coming years .... He has cut the **** you just don't like the insight.
 

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I'm not sure where Trev personally stands. Maybe he does want to spend silly money. maybe he doesn't.

I do know enough of the situation to realize that he likely doesn't have access to the full resources of the donor base even if he wants to spend silly money. There are some old rich dudes who still believe Frost needs a bit more time and that money wouldn't be available to any AD you hire.
Yea I'm not sure either. It looks like he is giving the politically correct...
 

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It's not about Kevin Warren and covid. MSU is a historical middle of the road team in our league that just out down a hundred million for a coach playing under the same rules we did in 2020.

Trevs comments Are being taken too much in the now and IMO are intended to be big picture.

Sustained tippy top football success a) isn't guaranteed and b) going to cost a **** ton of money in the coming decades. Is the donor base ready to commit to being an entertainment industry leader at the cost of hundreds of millions over the coming decades or is it happy to be in that second tier and put money towards academic and whatever other projects the uni has going on.

As other posters have pointed out we can get a good coach for less than teams are paying. But that's just now during the inflection. A few more silly seasons and the cost of coach inflation is going to be real, where teams are fighting over good but not super proven coaches at silly prices. To pay less and expect to be reasonably good would take a real eye for coaching talent at a G5 school or something like that because you are going to be paying unproven guys a substantial sun if money.
I would be happy to be a coach for the low cost of 1 million per year. If I do a crappy job, my buyout will be low but if I am successful, my pay will go up in the future.
 

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I'd be fine with this direction if we fully committed to the triple option like the service academies. If you're gonna be second tier, might as well be a nightmare to prepare for and play and potentially win more than we should...
To be clear I don't believe anyone in the uni wants NU to be an eternal 3 win team. To suit jteten verbiage consistently winning is something like we had with Pelini, a decent bowl and a good win pct.

NU in twenty year has not really had the coming to Jesus moment about whether we are all in in CFB something that the recent playoff era has put to a head. It would not strike me as odd that the upper levels are having this discussion because quite frankly they would have to spend silly money to achieve at the playoff level (the new MNC level) I can imagine a bunch of responsible Nebraskans with money who don't want to pay that much but would settle with a conference title now and again for 2/3 the price.
 

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I would be happy to be a coach for the low cost of 1 million per year. If I do a crappy job, my buyout will be low but if I am successful, my pay will go up in the future.
People have said we should go to incentive laden contract. Why would a coach accept one of these when even marginally decent coaches are getting great guaranteed money. Money that is constantly going up now in bunches.

There's no coach who needs Nebraska to make his career. Some G5 school will give him a shot with enough money to never need to work again if he fails.
 

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If the administration and donors are considering giving up top tier football because of expense of it in the coming years .... He has cut the **** you just don't like the insight.
You can, but I don’t believe that for a second. An extra mil or even 5 mil paid to the coaching staff is chump change compared to the lost revenue of not having butts in the seats, buying merch, ppv across the nation, etc…. Just look at the Covid losses from no attendance across all sports and tell me coaching salary is a loss leader. Hype and expectation is as big a draw as winning in many cases. Even if true, his quote was bad PR and didn’t even need to be said. If Nebraska football was publicly traded today, it would be down 5% on that quote alone. Bad business.
 

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To be clear I don't believe anyone in the uni wants NU to be an eternal 3 win team. To suit jteten verbiage consistently winning is something like we had with Pelini, a decent bowl and a good win pct.

NU in twenty year has not really had the coming to Jesus moment about whether we are all in in CFB something that the recent playoff era has put to a head. It would not strike me as odd that the upper levels are having this discussion because quite frankly they would have to spend silly money to achieve at the playoff level (the new MNC level) I can imagine a bunch of responsible Nebraskans with money who don't want to pay that much but would settle with a conference title now and again for 2/3 the price.
Agreed. And with how much we seem to focus on things like character and whatnot these days, doing things "right" etc. it seems like we might as well commit to that brand of football. Saves money, stays out of negative headlines and allows good team culture, and wins more games than it should (but obviously not year in, year out contender for cfp let alone upper tier bowl games).
 

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"One thing they fail to acknowledge is that universities tend to do better financially when the football or basketball teams are doing well"

Undoubtedly true but what's not being acknowledged by sports fans when it come to this topic but we say all the time when talking sports.....sports is inherently cyclical.

Sure you have your outlier teams that just are good basically all the time, Duke and Kansas in bball, and for about forty years NU in football. NU was an outlier then and other blue bloods have also gone through long stretches where their football teams weren't buying them anything in the financial stability front.

Football as entertainment might be worth spending some fun money on, football as an investment when you have other more stable investment options...it might not be competitive in the portfolio when you are talking about long term returns.
The other option to paying out millions for a new HEAD coach is the one Trev took. You take your native son head coach who will work for less and stay there forever and let him make changes to his staff to try to turn around the results. There is no doubt that Frost was pretty green as a head coach when he took this job. I have some hope that he can grow in to the job. That said, he better do it fast with these staff changes. One coordinator can make a world of difference. Hell one GOOD O LINE coach could make a world of difference.
 

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He was and I have no doubt that if he was still in Lincoln his answer to that question would have been completely different. I'm pretty sure he would say that we are about winning first and not money.

Remember he hired Leach to Wash St and didn't give a damn how anybody felt about it because he was a winner at TT. There is no way in hell Trev Albert's would hire Leach in Lincoln.....
He didn't pay out 10 million per year to get Leach. That was an entirely different scenario. Leach was a bargain because of some of the legal problems he had at TTU.
 
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Trev appeared on Sports Nightly last evening. When asked about escalating coaches saleries he commented, "The reality is we're going to make a difficult decision. It might be easy for some and more difficult for others, but we're either going to be in the entertainment business or tied to the academic mission. I don't know that those are necessarily congruent all the time. It's a real challenge that we're facing."
Read into that what you want.
Trev priority #1 is to figure out how to get NIL$ to Nebraska players. One way or the other. Priority #2 is getting ready to hire a new coach next year.
 

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You can, but I don’t believe that for a second. An extra mil or even 5 mil paid to the coaching staff is chump change compared to the lost revenue of not having butts in the seats, buying merch, ppv across the nation, etc…. Just look at the Covid losses from no attendance across all sports and tell me coaching salary is a loss leader. Hype and expectation is as big a draw as winning in many cases. Even if true, his quote was bad PR and didn’t even need to be said. If Nebraska football was publicly traded today, it would be down 5% on that quote alone. Bad business.
NU is terrible and we still have butts in seats. Whatever tier we end up wanting to finance I believe the steady state to be closer to nine win kind of money than 3 win kind of money. The Pelini era with the occasional playoff run and conference title would sustain Nebraska football and Lincoln for a generation
 

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The schools themselves can't afford to pay these rediculous amounts. It's going to backfire big time on some of them. The only way they can manage is by boosters footing the bill. Over payment doesn't equal wins unless it's boosters buying players too. IMO players already getting paid up upon starting college will end up be more distracted, get in more trouble and be less motivated to perform on the field at their best.
 

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A lot depends on how and where you get a coach. Poaching a coach from a top team before the end of a season cost much more than after a season and going about it in a more normal manner. IMO.

We don't need to pay 10-15 million. We can win paying a lot less.
Instead of paying huge coaches' salaries - let's give it to the 4 & 5 star players. Maybe not under the table, but through NIL somehow. Doubt the NCAA will look into very much of that!
 

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Seemingly high salaries should be measured against expected revenues in order to determine if the cost is reasonable.

For instance, MSU agreed to pay Mel Tucker $95M over the next 10 years. Over that same time frame, the league payout to member schools from B10 media revenue alone is conservativaley estimated to be $800M.

Of course there are other fixed costs which need to be paid from the B10 annual payouts but there are additional sources or regular revenue for each school as well - including gate revenue, licensing income, and outside donations - more than enough to make the bottom line at B10 athletic departments well into the black and flush with money.

Yes the escalating salaries seem ridiculous but no B10 school is going to go broke paying their football coach Mel Tucker level salaries.... and there is considerable room to move salaries higher. Salaries are going to move higher because the funding is there. Tucker's $9.5M annual salary will be middle of the road in about 6-7 years.
 

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Trev priority #1 is to figure out how to get NIL$ to Nebraska players. One way or the other. Priority #2 is getting ready to hire a new coach next year.
I think there a substantial possibility we are keeping Frost two years and they just aren't quite saying it yet. Certainly Frost will have to do minimally well to make it go.

If you look at some of the names being bandeied about as staff candidates there's a fair bit of Husker connection in them. Part of me thinks you don't make an all out push to bring in Mickey Joseph as recruiting coordinator and then not give him a chance to recruit. He'll be here all of six weeks for this cycle.
 

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I think it's really as simple as whether or not a school has multiple billionaire boosters that are willing and able to pay virtually anything. As far as I know, Nebraska doesn't. We have a lot of money but we're not in that other class.
 

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Seemingly high salaries should be measured against expected revenues in order to determine if the cost is reasonable.

For instance, MSU agreed to pay Mel Tucker $95M over the next 10 years. Over that same time frame, the league payout to member schools from B10 media revenue alone is conservativaley estimated to be $800M.

Of course there are other fixed costs which need to be paid from the B10 annual payouts but there are additional sources or regular revenue for each school as well - including gate revenue, licensing income, and outside donations - more than enough to make the bottom line at B10 athletic departments well into the black and flush with money.

Yes the escalating salaries seem ridiculous but no B10 school is going to go broke paying their football coach Mel Tucker level salaries.... and there is considerable room to move salaries higher. Salaries are going to move higher because the funding is there. Tucker's $9.5M annual salary will be middle of the road in about 6-7 years.
You may not be wrong, but boosters are paying at least some of his salary (I suspect a big portion, but can't find any exact numbers). I somehow doubt we have boosters with as deep of pockets as many other schools.
 

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He was and I have no doubt that if he was still in Lincoln his answer to that question would have been completely different. I'm pretty sure he would say that we are about winning first and not money.

Remember he hired Leach to Wash St and didn't give a damn how anybody felt about it because he was a winner at TT. There is no way in hell Trev Albert's would hire Leach in Lincoln.....
One of the reasons he got fired. MONEY
 

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The way I look at it selfishly is, the University of Nebraska was founded to provide an AFFORDABLE higher education for Nebraskans. Not an unaffordable Ivy wannabe education. Unless keeping up with the expanding expectations of the Big Ten does not end up expanding the cost of an education congruently at the citizens expense.

Maybe it would be better suited for the citizens of Nebraska to have the state flagship apply to the SEC where the expectations are possibly not so damaging to the University's mission and obligations to the citizenry.

Nebraska was brought in for it's football, not it academic accomplishments. SEC might be better for the fans of the Nebraska Cornhuskers.
 

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I think it's really as simple as whether or not a school has multiple billionaire boosters that are willing and able to pay virtually anything. As far as I know, Nebraska doesn't. We have a lot of money but we're not in that other class.
MSU has 2 enthusiastic billionaires