Offense sounds like it's gonna be different
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But it hasn't hurt in the last decade to have the QB's that won the conference title: Connor Cook, Trace McSorley, Russell Wilson, Braxton Miller, J T Barrett and Justin Fields.
After reading the article that just came out, it sounds to me like Trev is the head coach of the football program now.
Not in name or title, but he's the one calling the shots, and Frost is agreeing to them, in order to keep his job.
Depending on who they can get in here, it could work, but it's obvious to me now that Trev is really in charge of what is going on.
Remember after his suggestions, we started playing things 'close'.. That wasn't happening at the very beginning of the year. Hearing Scott talk about his plan moving forward, it's like the big decisions have been taken out of his hands.
Why would Trev hire a new guy, when he's got golden boy to do what he wants and take the fall when and where necessary?
If you have a yes man and scapegoat beneath you, you 'aint firing that guy unless you yourself are out of ideas.
Not in name or title, but he's the one calling the shots, and Frost is agreeing to them, in order to keep his job.
Depending on who they can get in here, it could work, but it's obvious to me now that Trev is really in charge of what is going on.
Remember after his suggestions, we started playing things 'close'.. That wasn't happening at the very beginning of the year. Hearing Scott talk about his plan moving forward, it's like the big decisions have been taken out of his hands.
Why would Trev hire a new guy, when he's got golden boy to do what he wants and take the fall when and where necessary?
If you have a yes man and scapegoat beneath you, you 'aint firing that guy unless you yourself are out of ideas.
I think Trev will have to go out and hire the OC so Frost doesn't **** this up so bad. It already sounds like it will be a complete failure.
A smart head caoch will say "I will hire the best OC I can get and go win games."
A smart head caoch will say "I will hire the best OC I can get and go win games."
Different skill set requirements for a different type of offenses. There isn't a single QB on this roster that can run an effective Oregon/UCF offense. Hell, most QB's in college football wouldn't be good at it. It's a retarded offense since it requires an elite QB to be any good from endzone to endzone.
The smartest head coaches in college football don't require the offense to go through the QB. They let the QB manage the game, which is the opposite of what Frost tries to do.
if you remove the QB as a runner, this RPO offense looks a lot like everyone else's rpo offense doesn't it?
the QB is a distributor of the ball, needing to think quick and read defensive keys to know where to go, which is the same except the other offenses have throwers back there by default.
Maybe what he means is the old running game of the past.. think like a Wisconsin team of a few years ago. They never had an elite QB, but I don't think they beat Ohio State very often either.
You don’t need an elite QB to run The Oregon spread either. Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Misoli, Daron Thomas, Vernon Adams, McKenzie Milton not elite. Literally, Mariota was the only elite QB to come out of that type of offense, yet they still won 9 or more games at Oregon.
To make the offense run, you need a QB that can hit open receivers and a running game. You need special skill position guys.
The biggest fallacy of the Oregon/ Kelly offense is that it didn’t have a strong element of run. Nearly every play was run off the zone run. That offense is balanced, without the running game the offense struggles, without the passing game, the offense struggles.
At some point, like around now, saturation comes into play. This shotgun read offense will be so rehearsed that decent defenses will dominate it, and you'll need OSU type recruiting to excel at it.
It's time to bring some power back.
Could be a bad example but I'll post it anyway. I was one of those guys that thought KC would dominate Tampa. Tampa came out and ran the ball, had well-timed play action passes to wide open WRs and controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball. They proved me wrong and just went simple. Oh yeah, they also had a bad *** defense
However, Tom Brady really didn't do anything special other than not **** up and trust the plays being called. And they ended up beating, as well as providing a blue print on how to stop a far more complex shotgun offense (don't even know what to call it because Andy Reid is so unique) that is basically designed after Mahomes skill set
It's time to bring some power back.
Could be a bad example but I'll post it anyway. I was one of those guys that thought KC would dominate Tampa. Tampa came out and ran the ball, had well-timed play action passes to wide open WRs and controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball. They proved me wrong and just went simple. Oh yeah, they also had a bad *** defense
However, Tom Brady really didn't do anything special other than not **** up and trust the plays being called. And they ended up beating, as well as providing a blue print on how to stop a far more complex shotgun offense (don't even know what to call it because Andy Reid is so unique) that is basically designed after Mahomes skill set
You're probably right. Not sure why guys like Sipple and co are saying they're hearing it won't be recognizable then...
Your "ETA" - says it all. Kids who play QB in modern day high school football aren't running the power I with the element of option. There are QBs in the NFL that had never taken a snap under center until they got to the NFL.
The vast majority of high school teams run some semblance of a spread offense. Now there are tons of schools that run a power spread, with elements of the option. But most QBs don't want to run the ball 15 times per game, they just don't, especially when you subject yourself to getting smacked by a DB or LB coming off the edge. Running the zone read option, is much more QB friendly. The QB has an earlier read, he can still make a wrong read and get hit hard, but he isn't the bait like he is when you run a speed option on the edge.
WR have dreams of playing in the league too. Not many WR with that sort of ability are going to come to a place where they will be a blocker 90% of the time.
The NFL isn't a run first league anymore either, most offense in the NFL take the vast majority of their snaps out of the shot gun, not just 2 or 3.
Indiana here - we see a lot of the HS running spread but there are still some darn good teams that run option ball under center.
I do believe it is a caveat - but one that could easily be overcome. However, we probably won't be getting Rivals 100 QBs very often, if ever. But with Power I, I'd venture to say your QB play doesn't have to be as precise as a chip kelly type offense
I just listened to what he said and didn't put words in his mouth or try to interpret what he was "really saying" and combining it with what I want.
Trust was the thing he talked about most. Next was not making wholesale changes. Not much in those two phrases says Tom Osborne power option football, unless he is hiring Turner Gill as his OC. Hell even Mickey Joseph experience as a coach isn't in power option.
Again the fallacy is that Kelly has always had these precise QBs. His QBs were athletic, accurate throwers and made quick decisions. They didn't have to be exceptional runners of the ball, because the offense is centered on making the correct read. Making the correct read, opened up QB runs, or wide open receivers.
Oregon didn't have a bunch of NFL OL, but they had good OL that knew how and what they were supposed to do. Perhaps that was Austin's shortcoming.
I can agree with that. I’m just saying none of Tom’s QBs would be NFL QBs. Chip had most get drafted.
Def agree on OL
Dude, you said for weeks that Frost was gone. No questions asked. He. Was. Gone.
You aren't really good at this.
I can't see how anyone is interrupting this any other way. He made it pretty clear it wouldn't change much and just be tweaked.
I don't know if I could possibly disagree more. Did you watch the presser? Did you listen to what Alberts said yesterday?
If it was as you say I think Frost's entire demeanor would be different. He looked fairly at peace with the changes. It's more like Alberts just helped him see and acknowledge what he already knew. I think they genuinely have a solid working relationship.
Hopefully Alberts leadership and guidance will help Frost improve.
Herman was an outstanding OC at Iowa State. He got a lot done with the talent he had at the time. I could see why Urban Meyer hired him away.
My personal list right now is Tom Herman and Jerry Kill.
I did. I'm reading between the lines, things that are being said that don't add up. Frost saying he wants to spend more time with fans and boosters is laughable at best. Its okay if you don't agree. I don't think Scott is in command of anything anymore. He's being told, err 'advised' what to do, and he's saying 'ok boss'. That's what I see.
Dixon too.
chip has an above average QB this year too, maybe better. They still seem to be an average team.
I don’t believe this system will work at Nebraska. We are a wreck. We ran away from what worked for 35 years and been chasing it ever since.
Cmon. Dixon was a senior in 2007 and returning starter in Kelly’s first year at Oregon. You can’t count him.
we ran away from what worked for Tom Osborne for about 17 years. Devaney and Osborne’s first 7 years were pro style offenses. Solich was the Eric crouch right, left and up the middle.
so I think you are exaggerating the 35 year thing.
I would also add that Tom Osborne made his offense work, last I checked, he isn’t going to be coming back to run it again.
I just want to go back to the power I. It doesn’t matter what I want in the end. I don’t even know what we are arguing about. I have no effect on any of this.
LOL, You should call Ryan Day and tell him he's a terrible football coach and he's doing it all wrong. OSU is 6th in country in passing yards per game, and 2nd in both passing yards per attempt and per completion.
Also
Purdue 54 passes in win vs Michigan St
Purdue 40 passes in win vs Iowa
Purdue 32 passes in loss vs Wisconsin
Wisconsin 5/8 passing in win vs Purdue
My point is there's multiple ways to win in the big 10 you just can't be ****** on the offensive line and turn the ball over multiple times..
Hopefully they don’t show an odd defensive front. That sneaky stuff could scuttle our entire game plan.
No, he really wasn’t fully. Both he and Frost were with Frost trusting Lubick less and less.
it would work, if done properly..that's the key..if done properly....like solich reduced it to qb runs...because dan and buck fumbled alot..which got crouch the heisman..but made us one dimensional and easy for colorado and miami, penn state, ut, etc to kill...but even then we had a lot better record then now..
I'd like to use dr.toms offense more, and then frost could add onto it, his ideas of passing over time..
if you look at it gill aired it out more than frazier...so you can adjust to who you have...but still have a base offense
OSU always has a damn good rushing attack and they can win a national title with that alone. They can pass for a lot of yards since they have the most elite WR room in the nation. Their starting QB is not an elite QB, but they have some WR's who are. Nebraska will NEVER recruit a WR room like that. Never.
It's pure stupidity among some Nebraka fans that think passing the ball can win games at Nebraska. It NEVER has and never will. Run the damn ball and run the offense through the OL, TE, and RB. When someone finally admits that is how Nebraska wins, then we can get back to winning.
I hope Trev will go "what the **** has this program been doing the last 4 head coaches? Run the ******* ball"