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jozimmer

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Scott Frost was once a graduate assistant at K-State under Bill Snyder. Snyder took over a program that went 60-157 (.276) over the 20 years prior to him arriving in 1989. The two previous seasons (1987 and 1988) were 0-10 and 0-11. In Snyder's first four years, he went:

1-10 (winning against North Texas on a last second TD)
5-6
7-4
5-6

Snyder then went on to have eight seasons in a row of winning 9 games or more. How did he do it? JUCOs and scheduling cupcakes.

Is it too late for Frost to copy this method, and use the transfer portal, to fix the Huskers? I'm not saying he'll magically turn into Snyder next year, or ever, but the method may beat the madness right now.

Frost took over a program that went 150-83 over the 20 years prior to him arriving. Are JUCOs and cupcakes needed at all?
 
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otismotis08

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Personally, I've never quite understood the whole cupcake thing. They are messy to eat. Frosting gets all over your hands, the paper cup/wrapper gets stuck, crumbs fall everywhere, etc. I'd rather just have a piece of cake on a plate. And if you drop a cupcake, it always lands on the icing side. Just a bad invention all around.
 
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Perhaps Frost would be much wiser to have a powerhouse coaching tree that is coaching the players. Snyder excelled at that. (Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema , Dan McCarney, Mark Mangino, Jim Leavitt). Frost would win nine games every year if he had a bunch of quality assistants like this.
 
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otismotis08 said:
Personally, I've never quite understood the whole cupcake thing. They are messy to eat. Frosting gets all over your hands, the paper cup/wrapper gets stuck, crumbs fall everywhere, etc. I'd rather just have a piece of cake on a plate. And if you drop a cupcake, it always lands on the icing side. Just a bad invention all around.
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Never thought of it like that. So true!
 
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WHCSC

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otismotis08 said:
Personally, I've never quite understood the whole cupcake thing. They are messy to eat. Frosting gets all over your hands, the paper cup/wrapper gets stuck, crumbs fall everywhere, etc. I'd rather just have a piece of cake on a plate. And if you drop a cupcake, it always lands on the icing side. Just a bad invention all around.
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Don’t even mention mini-cupcakes
 
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jozimmer

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resdog851 said:
Perhaps Frost would be much wiser to have a powerhouse coaching tree that is coaching the players. Snyder excelled at that. (Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema , Dan McCarney, Mark Mangino, Jim Leavitt). Frost would win nine games every year if he had a bunch of quality assistants like this.
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But did Snyder find diamonds in the rough early in their coaching careers, or did he teach them and develop them to be great coaches? I don't think Frost could do either of those.
 
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Minn1954

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resdog851 said:
Perhaps Frost would be much wiser to have a powerhouse coaching tree that is coaching the players. Snyder excelled at that. (Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema , Dan McCarney, Mark Mangino, Jim Leavitt). Frost would win nine games every year if he had a bunch of quality assistants like this.
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Why doesn’t Frost have a bunch of assistants like this? Isn’t he the head coach with the power/authority to hire and fire?
 
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artguy68

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jozimmer said:
Scott Frost was once a graduate assistant at K-State under Bill Snyder. Snyder took over a program that went 60-157 (.276) over the 20 years prior to him arriving in 1989. The two previous seasons (1987 and 1988) were 0-10 and 0-11. In Snyder's first four years, he went:

1-10 (winning against North Texas on a last second TD)
5-6
7-4
5-6

Snyder then went on to have eight seasons in a row of winning 9 games or more. How did he do it? JUCOs and scheduling cupcakes.

Is it too late for Frost to copy this method, and use the transfer portal, to fix the Huskers? I'm not saying he'll magically turn into Snyder next year, or ever, but the method may beat the madness right now.

Frost took over a program that went 150-83 over the 20 years prior to him arriving. Are JUCOs and cupcakes needed at all?
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Did you miss the story about Frost trying to get out of the Oklahoma game?
 
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HuskersNC

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otismotis08 said:
Personally, I've never quite understood the whole cupcake thing. They are messy to eat. Frosting gets all over your hands, the paper cup/wrapper gets stuck, crumbs fall everywhere, etc. I'd rather just have a piece of cake on a plate. And if you drop a cupcake, it always lands on the icing side. Just a bad invention all around.
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You have to shove the whole thing in your mouth at once, like a snake eating a deer, unhinging your jaw if needed. Yes even the paper, jeeez.
 
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TruHusker

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The example is an oversimplification. Let's see, Frost has beaten Bethune Cookman and Fordham among others where they had an opportunity to change the schedule.

Where the comparison falls apart is that Snyder and staff knew how to coach and developed talent. We obviously do not. Just saying schedule cupcakes and recruit JUCOS is a gross misrepresentation of what Snyder actually did.

This staff was doomed from the moment they all set foot on campus together. As a group they were neither seasoned or widely successful. Good enough for their conference and level of opponents but not the B1G talent. Therein lies the other problem with the comparison of Snyder, in the B1G you play more league games and there simply are not many easy weeks.
 
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HUSKERFAN66

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jozimmer said:
Scott Frost was once a graduate assistant at K-State under Bill Snyder. Snyder took over a program that went 60-157 (.276) over the 20 years prior to him arriving in 1989. The two previous seasons (1987 and 1988) were 0-10 and 0-11. In Snyder's first four years, he went:

1-10 (winning against North Texas on a last second TD)
5-6
7-4
5-6

Snyder then went on to have eight seasons in a row of winning 9 games or more. How did he do it? JUCOs and scheduling cupcakes.

Is it too late for Frost to copy this method, and use the transfer portal, to fix the Huskers? I'm not saying he'll magically turn into Snyder next year, or ever, but the method may beat the madness right now.

Frost took over a program that went 150-83 over the 20 years prior to him arriving. Are JUCOs and cupcakes needed at all?
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Cupcakes isn't an option with only 3 nonconference games.
 
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pharvey0829

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TruHusker said:
The example is an oversimplification. Let's see, Frost has beaten Bethune Cookman and Fordham among others where they had an opportunity to change the schedule.

Where the comparison falls apart is that Snyder and staff knew how to coach and developed talent. We obviously do not. Just saying schedule cupcakes and recruit JUCOS is a gross misrepresentation of what Snyder actually did.

This staff was doomed from the moment they all set foot on campus together. As a group they were neither seasoned or widely successful. Good enough for their conference and level of opponents but not the B1G talent. Therein lies the other problem with the comparison of Snyder, in the B1G you play more league games and there simply are not many easy weeks.
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So if we play Fordham, Buffalo, and Bethune-Cookman every week, we will go undefeated.
 
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