Talent Level

[Antwill]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

 

[PCastro]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

Except qb and rb

 

[leodisflowers]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

I tend to agree with this. He plugged a lot of holes and I feel like has upgraded the talent big time, just can't seem to get it done on Gameday's for whatever reason.

 

[mgbreeze]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

Opinions seem to vary, but mine is that this roster is easily a winning-record bowl team with minimally competent coaching.

The problem with the "leaving the program in a better position than he found it" angle is the tightrope that we'll have to walk when Frost is fired. How do we keep our best players from leaving? How do we recruit an even average class? They'll need to have an A+ hire ready to go if there is any chance of either.

 

[Redscarlet]

Except qb and rb

Are you sure about that Gebbia who never played and Tanner Lee was much worse than Adrian Martinez..

 

[ADV88]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

I was alluding to this very thing in another post...

I So Badly wanted to see Frost return us to glory... I feel he's done the nasty work and taken the abuse that comes with a rebuild of this magnitude but he's so damaged now that I don't know if he can get over it...

I will say this, the caliber of kids in that program that care and put in the work is solid... I greatly feel for them because they deserve better... He's built the best cupboard of kids this program has had since the Callahan/Pelini swithcover so perhaps with a new crew we could have some early succcess next year...

 

[leodisflowers]

The glaring positions are:

QB: I like Haarburg, but man... This is horrible
RB: Just haven't had a guy shine. I like Rahmir and had high hopes for Morrison and Ervin, just sucks it hasn't panned out.
Elite Pass Rusher: Just have not been close on this
Kicker: Have had 1 good year, but otherwise bad

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

Looking at next year's schedule, eight wins are not out of the question because of both the roster strength and the weaker cross-division schedule. With this current coaching staff, however, simply subtract five wins from what seems possible, and that's what we'll get.

We are, with this staff, the worst program in the West. We're a better team than Northwestern this year, but the Wildcats have won two division titles in the last four seasons. Frost has never beaten Iowa or Wisconsin, has a three-game losing streak to Minnesota, has a two-game losing streak to separate Illinois staffs, and is 1-3 against Jeff Brohm and Purdue.

In short, talent level and depth will only matter if we have a staff that can optimize those advantages. Oh, and get the best transfer portal QB out there and see what kind of $100K NIL deal we can get him.

 

[ridge22]

Except qb and rb

WR & OL

 

[goldencohusker]

Assuming Frost exits, there will undoubtedly be some talent loss as there always seems to be with regime changes. But man, you have to think a good chunk of the young talent that has been assembled would be excited to stick around and win some games with a staff that doesn't seem out of answers on how to get over the hump and end the nauseating string of disappointing losses.

 

[ThunderPhillips_rivals499044]

Hit the transfer portal for immediate needs.
Qb. RB. Fill in some defensive guys.
8-4 Outback Bowl with a new staff.

 

[HominidHusker]

Opinions seem to vary, but mine is that this roster is easily a winning-record bowl team with minimally competent coaching.

The problem with the "leaving the program in a better position than he found it" angle is the tightrope that we'll have to walk when Frost is fired. How do we keep our best players from leaving? How do we recruit an even average class? They'll need to have an A+ hire ready to go if there is any chance of either.

Agree, it will be a challenge to keep the roster pieces you want to keep together, but a couple other considerations:

With these guys who have experienced nothing but losing and/or are already semi-buried on depth chart, I would expect a fair amount of attrition if Frost were retained.
While the portal makes it easy to jump, there’s now a lot of precedence showing transferring often does not help that player.

Hopefully, the team will be anxious to win with a more capable staff like @goldencohusker mentioned.
I’m not endorsing any coach options, but with the new easy portal guys like Aranda, Caldwell, O’Brien could easily being some talent with them from their current team.

 

[BrighteRed24_rivals190920]

We have much better quality in our depth.

If Stanley Morgan, Devine Ozigbo, Tanner Farmer, Farniok the older, Jaimes were around today, they would all start on our current offense. Frost inherited all these guys in 2018.

This narrative from Frost that he had no talent in year 1 is BS. He did lack depth and has done a great job rebuilding depth

Also - our offense in year 1 was Frosts best offense IMO. If he is going to say we didn’t have talent in year 1, then he is saying that he is a terrible coach

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Excellent Point, even the D Line had 3 NFL players on it.

 

[tpmcg_rivals137159]

some modest improvements on special teams and minus a few simple errors here and there might indicate a different record.
unfortunately, those are just 'supposes'..

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

If Frost gets one more year and Martinez comes back and then gets fired.. ..the QB room/cupboard will be bare because they will have all entered the transfer portal

 

[Huskerjag]

Lack of talent is not why we lose to BIG West teams.

 

[dpnavy]

I'm not one that breaks things down position by position, but isn't it safe to say that Frost has improved the depth and talent level at most positions considerably from when he got here?

If so, I'd say the job would be pretty attractive with the coming facility upgrades, etc.

I know this will sound weird given Frost's record, but I think it's arguable that if he is fired, he will be leaving the program in a better position than he found it.

Tom O. and Barry S. called them difference makers. We need 2 or 3 on both sides of the ball! Tom could get on a plane and recruit them in their living room and they would come to the Huskers. As Barry would say, "we will out athlete you at the crunch time"! Coach Frost doesn't have that star power! Give me 2 really good pass rushers and a quality, All Big 10 honorable mention running back and 2 quality go to receivers! I know sounds simple, but the rest of the pieces are in place! Of course cover kicks, don't throw pick 6's, don't fumble at crunch time Haha!

 

[Wyldcard]

Maybe the players on the offensive side of the ball aren't smart enough to get it as they're making the same mistakes over and over and over again with no end in sight. For the most part that is not a coaching problem but is to a point it is as some of the players need to be benched and replaced by players smart enough and doing everything in their to not make the same mistakes of those that are benched.

 

[Anon1716780950]

Maybe the players on the offensive side of the ball aren't smart enough to get it as they're making the same mistakes over and over and over again with no end in sight. For the most part that is not a coaching problem but is to a point it is as some of the players need to be benched and replaced by players smart enough and doing everything in their to not make the same mistakes of those that are benched.

Maybe the coaches on the offensive side of the ball don't know how to teach players how to do things correctly if many different players over many different seasons seem to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Different players and same mistakes.

Gotta be the coaching -- especially the Head Dope.

 

[Wyldcard]

Maybe the coaches on the offensive side of the ball don't know how to teach players how to do things correctly if many different players over many different seasons seem to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Different players and same mistakes.

Gotta be the coaching -- especially the Head Dope.

You can teach over and over again which they have and there are players that will never be smart enough to get it

 

[Wyldcard]

Maybe the coaches on the offensive side of the ball don't know how to teach players how to do things correctly if many different players over many different seasons seem to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Different players and same mistakes.

Gotta be the coaching -- especially the Head Dope.

It's been generally been the same players making the same mistakes over and over dumbass!

 

[Anon1716780950]

It's been generally been the same players making the same mistakes over and over dumbass!

I'm beginning to understand ... You're the cat ... Frost is the banana:

 

[B1G RED RULES]

WR & OL

OL is talented, but talent must be developed.

 

[HuskerO58]

Are you sure about that Gebbia who never played and Tanner Lee was much worse than Adrian Martinez..

I don't think depth is any better now than with Riley. Probably even.

Riley: Lee, Gebbia, O'Brien
Frost: Martinez, Smothers, Haarberg

 

[IowaHuskr]

OL is talented, but talent must be developed.

OL has some talent. But not quantity or depth of talent. Lack of overall athleticism and footwork/foot quickness across the board in our OL shows up every game. And it really doesn't matter who the opposition is across the line of scrimmage.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

The defense will be depleted after this year thru “graduation” and players deciding it’s their time with Chins leaving(assuming he gets the axe with Frost)…and there is no incoming recruiting class to speak of.

That will really hurt next year, and also down the road.

 

[PCastro]

Are you sure about that Gebbia who never played and Tanner Lee was much worse than Adrian Martinez..

Assuming Martinez won’t be here so the qb position will be much much worse for next coach than when frost took over