A WOW coaching hire, Not so fast

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Everyone wants the coach with the "wow" factor. Urban Meyer, Ed Orgeron, Lane Kiffin, etc...Well sports fans we got that guy 4 short years ago. His name was Scott Frost. He was the hottest young coach in the country. Florida, Tennessee and a bunch of other big name schools were after him. NU got him and here we are 4 years later as an utter failure. Mike Riley and Bill Callahan were better hires with better records. Let that sink in Husker Nation. So, if and when Trev hires a guy that everyone says who, what and why? Just look at MSU and Mel Tucker. He was that guy. We don't need the wow factor. We need a solid fundamentals coach who can prepare a team to not look like a clown show every week. Who can develop talent. Who will pull your *** if you're still making the bonehead plays after 4 years!! Much sooner. A guy that will be a "wow" coach after 5 to 10 years of wins and stability. The recruits will come with the new facilities, the fan support and NIL money. Once we start winning again. We play in the Big 10 West. A solid coach who teaches discipline and fundamentals can come in here next year and win 8. Just by not beating ourselves and gifting games away. Winning the West every year or every other year. Guaranteed. Don't lose faith Husker fans. Don't say well if Frost can't win who can? That's such a defeatist loser attitude it makes me sick. We are ******* Nebraska!! We are bigger than one man or one failed coach. Frost tried his best. It didn't pan out. Time to part ways and find our Mel Tucker. GBR!!!

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota are not SEC powers. Iowa and Wisconsin aren't world beaters either. The right coach who doesn't gift games away will win 8 to 10 every year. Easy. The West will be ours with the right coach. Have faith Trev finds us the guy.

 

[Dean Pope]

Yep. (no sarcasm) I would be happy with making a boring hire. How about just a good coach with an OK to good won-loss record who would be a perfect fit at Nebraska? This program needs a strip down and rebuild. Find a coach who would shelve the tunnel walk for a couple years. Let's take away some of that false sense of accomplishment or entitlement that seems to pervade this program-- we get up for night games against undefeated teams but come out flat against Big 10 West opponents year after year.

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Yep. (no sarcasm) I would be happy with making a boring hire. How about just a good coach with an OK to good won-loss record who would be a perfect fit at Nebraska? This program needs a strip down and rebuild. Find a coach who would shelve the tunnel walk for a couple years. Let's take away some of that false sense of accomplishment or entitlement that seems to pervade this program-- we get up for night games against undefeated teams but come out flat against Big 10 West opponents year after year.

Exactly. Add up all the games in 4 years we lost by a TD or less because of Adrian or bone headed special teams disasters. Those should all be wins. A good coach will win those moral victories.

 

[antirowboat]

A lot of those big names do not pan out. Instead, focus on getting a solid head coach. Not someone that is a coordinator playing head coach like Scott Frost did (why he did that I have no clue besides ego).

Lane Kiffen is an over hyped head coach without the resume to support the hype. Guys like Dave Aranda, the Fresno State head coach are two examples of solid football coaches that manage a program as a CEO.

I've cooled on Jamey Chadwell the last couple of weeks. I'm not seeing his team getting better as the season goes on and that is on top of other conerns - can he put together a P5 level staff? Can he recruit? Can he adjust when needed in the Big Ten? I'd rather get someone that has experience at a higher level or someone that is from the area like the NC State head coach or the Fresno State head coach.

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

Hindsight is always 20/20, when you look back at both the Riley and Frost hires there were glaring red flags from the beginning.

In Riley’s case NU fired a coach in Bo who won roughy won 70% of his games while Riley barley managed a .500 record as a coach. His age too was a factor, it wasn’t like he was going to be here long term. I even heard that Eichorst had promised Diaco that he could become head coach in a couple years when Riley retired.

In Frost’s case he had just two years of HC experience under his belt in a G5 conference. Mind you a lot of the games in that mythical 2017 seasons were one score wins. Scoring forty points but giving up 35 doesn’t work in the BIG. Couple all of that with him bringing his JV level staff, it was a recipe for disaster.

My overall point is we have gotten bit bad by two terrible hires back to back. So I agree OP we just need someone solid and will return to at least Pelini-esque results rather quickly.

 

[Inigo Montoyas Father]

Sounds like they might be trying to run Patterson out of town at TCU. At one time, I would have loved to have him. Thoughts?

 

[cestrup]

Get a cat who needs to prove himself. The proven guy route will end up with a guy who cares more about negotiating a pay check than winning, imho

 

[antirowboat]

Sounds like they might be trying to run Patterson out of town at TCU. At one time, I would have loved to have him. Thoughts?

He is 61 now. He had plenty of chances of taking a big job but decided to be stupid and stayed at TCU. Now he will be run out of town. Hiring Kalen DeBoer would be a much smarter hire.

 

[SuperBigFan]

Aranda
Jim Leonard (Risky)
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze (Sadly, Husker fans think they are ethically superior to most, so this won't word)

 

[steinek11]

Kalen DeBoer.

 

[cestrup]

I personally want Jamey Chadwell.

Fun offense that would attract recruits
Still needs to prove himself
Can win a game throwing or grinding a team out with running
kind of a Tom type of offense out of pistol

I actually think we have some good pieces that were underutilized with current staff

 

[MuskyHawk16]

Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota are not SEC powers. Iowa and Wisconsin aren't world beaters either. The right coach who doesn't gift games away will win 8 to 10 every year. Easy. The West will be ours with the right coach. Have faith Trev finds us the guy.

You are correct in that none of those teams are world beaters, however, what you do need to realize is that this league is filled with a ton of really good coaches and most teams played solid fundamental football with defense being a big priority for most. Like you said, none of those teams are world beaters but many of them are still difficult to beat unless you play really sound football or have far superior talent like O$U

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Exactly. Add up all the games in 4 years we lost by a TD or less because of Adrian or bone headed special teams disasters. Those should all be wins. A good coach will win those moral victories.

Seriously. Anyone have the number of games we've lost in 4 years by one score or less and lost because of an interception, fumble, coaching blunder or special teams gaffe? It's quite a few games. I know that. I can think of both Colorado games to start.

 

[Minutemen4huskers]

Everyone wants the coach with the "wow" factor. Urban Meyer, Ed Orgeron, Lane Kiffin, etc...Well sports fans we got that guy 4 short years ago. His name was Scott Frost. He was the hottest young coach in the country. Florida, Tennessee and a bunch of other big name schools were after him. NU got him and here we are 4 years later as an utter failure. Mike Riley and Bill Callahan were better hires with better records. Let that sink in Husker Nation. So, if and when Trev hires a guy that everyone says who, what and why? Just look at MSU and Mel Tucker. He was that guy. We don't need the wow factor. We need a solid fundamentals coach who can prepare a team to not look like a clown show every week. Who can develop talent. Who will pull your *** if you're still making the bonehead plays after 4 years!! Much sooner. A guy that will be a "wow" coach after 5 to 10 years of wins and stability. The recruits will come with the new facilities, the fan support and NIL money. Once we start winning again. We play in the Big 10 West. A solid coach who teaches discipline and fundamentals can come in here next year and win 8. Just by not beating ourselves and gifting games away. Winning the West every year or every other year. Guaranteed. Don't lose faith Husker fans. Don't say well if Frost can't win who can? That's such a defeatist loser attitude it makes me sick. We are ****ing Nebraska!! We are bigger than one man or one failed coach. Frost tried his best. It didn't pan out. Time to part ways and find our Mel Tucker. GBR!!!

How about a budding assistant coach from Michigan State ????

 

[Minutemen4huskers]

Any one remember Bob Devaney ?

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

Any one remember Bob Devaney ?

Guess will need to hire a ouija board then.

 

[Redscarlet]

Any one remember Bob Devaney ?

What is your point on this?

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

What is your point on this?

I think he's saying we need to hire a drinking, cursing, fighting, ******* Irishman who wins games?? Lol

 

[Minutemen4huskers]

What is your point on this?

He was an unknown assistant to Duffy douraghty at Michigan state . He went to Wyoming then the rest was history

 

[HBK4life_rivals100467]

Seriously. Anyone have the number of games we've lost in 4 years by one score or less and lost because of an interception, fumble, coaching blunder or special teams gaffe? It's quite a few games. I know that. I can think of both Colorado games to start.

Every Iowa loss. NW more than once. Both Michigan teams this year. Oklahoma, Purdue, Illinois and Minny this year alone.

 

[huskercabby]

That worked back then. It doesn't work now.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Aranda
Jim Leonard (Risky)
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze (Sadly, Husker fans think they are ethically superior to most, so this won't word)

Haven't followed Aranda for awhile, but I remember his defenses being amazing.

Have always liked Malzhan. Has had some damn good offenses. And won. At Auburn the little brother.

Don't know if Freeze is good or can just cheat like a motherfcker paying recruits. But hey with Nil stuff if that's legal now, why not?

 

[Headcard]

He was an unknown assistant to Duffy douraghty at Michigan state . He went to Wyoming then the rest was history

That MSU staff was amazing.

 

[Headcard]

Coaching hires are a crapshoot. Weather it is an experienced coach, an up and comer or a coordinator.

Kirby Smart was a DC with no HC experience and has been amazing at Georgia. But guys like Pruitt and Muschamp failed. Even though they had similar pedigree and were hired to similar jobs.

Florida won National Championships after hiring Urban Meyer from Utah (pre PAC-12 Utah was a G5 type job). But struck out when they tried the same thing with Jim McElwain. Nebraska though they were getting a Meyer and got a McElwain.

Even blue bloods hiring experienced HC’s from other P5 programs haven’t had guaranteed success. Guys like Mack Brown and James Franklin were good, but then there was Rich Rod and Dennis Franchione too.

 

[beaglehusker]

I think he's saying we need to hire a drinking, cursing, fighting, ****ing Irishman who wins games?? Lol

Then I will apply.

Besides Urban, who is all but guaranteed to improve the roster for the next coach while he gets NU winning again. I just want Trev to hire the guy he thinks is the right man for the job. The fans don't have a good track record.

 

[73 Red I]

Everyone wants the coach with the "wow" factor. Urban Meyer, Ed Orgeron, Lane Kiffin, etc...Well sports fans we got that guy 4 short years ago. His name was Scott Frost. He was the hottest young coach in the country. Florida, Tennessee and a bunch of other big name schools were after him. NU got him and here we are 4 years later as an utter failure. Mike Riley and Bill Callahan were better hires with better records. Let that sink in Husker Nation. So, if and when Trev hires a guy that everyone says who, what and why? Just look at MSU and Mel Tucker. He was that guy. We don't need the wow factor. We need a solid fundamentals coach who can prepare a team to not look like a clown show every week. Who can develop talent. Who will pull your *** if you're still making the bonehead plays after 4 years!! Much sooner. A guy that will be a "wow" coach after 5 to 10 years of wins and stability. The recruits will come with the new facilities, the fan support and NIL money. Once we start winning again. We play in the Big 10 West. A solid coach who teaches discipline and fundamentals can come in here next year and win 8. Just by not beating ourselves and gifting games away. Winning the West every year or every other year. Guaranteed. Don't lose faith Husker fans. Don't say well if Frost can't win who can? That's such a defeatist loser attitude it makes me sick. We are ****ing Nebraska!! We are bigger than one man or one failed coach. Frost tried his best. It didn't pan out. Time to part ways and find our Mel Tucker. GBR!!!

Keep the fans and big money guys out of the hire. Let Trev do his job. He is probably the most competent AD Nebraska has had since $ BILL. How about Matt Ruehl?

 

[SuperBigFan]

Haven't followed Aranda for awhile, but I remember his defenses being amazing.

Have always liked Malzhan. Has had some damn good offenses. And won. At Auburn the little brother.

Don't know if Freeze is good or can just cheat like a motherfcker paying recruits. But hey with Nil stuff if that's legal now, why not?

The thing I like about Gus is that at NU he would finally be the only show in town, not like at Auburn. He would immediately be the 1st or 2nd best coach in the conference.

 

[Redscarlet]

He was an unknown assistant to Duffy douraghty at Michigan state . He went to Wyoming then the rest was history

No need to tell me the history, I lived it ..

 

[Duc748_rivals]

Mike “I’m a man cuz I’m 40” Gundy. One losing season in 17 years and it happened his first year. Wins despite not having a team of full of 4 or 5 star recruits.Big 12 will soon be the MAC 2.0

 

[VictoryRed]

Coaching hires are a crapshoot. Weather it is an experienced coach, an up and comer or a coordinator.

Kirby Smart was a DC with no HC experience and has been amazing at Georgia. But guys like Pruitt and Muschamp failed. Even though they had similar pedigree and were hired to similar jobs.

Florida won National Championships after hiring Urban Meyer from Utah (pre PAC-12 Utah was a G5 type job). But struck out when they tried the same thing with Jim McElwain. Nebraska though they were getting a Meyer and got a McElwain.

Even blue bloods hiring experienced HC’s from other P5 programs haven’t had guaranteed success. Guys like Mack Brown and James Franklin were good, but then there was Rich Rod and Dennis Franchione too.

 

[redwine65]

gruden, urban, herman, ut's current coach, leech, cambel, cincy's coach, okie state coach, or baylors

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

Sounds like they might be trying to run Patterson out of town at TCU. At one time, I would have loved to have him. Thoughts?

He would be on my short list. He is a solid coach and knows how to build a program.

I’d love for Trev to find a guy like Bill Snyder. Tremendously detail oriented, builds a great staff, tireless work ethic, fields a team that plays smart / sound football, and does more with less every year.

 

[King Kong]

Seriously. Anyone have the number of games we've lost in 4 years by one score or less and lost because of an interception, fumble, coaching blunder or special teams gaffe? It's quite a few games. I know that. I can think of both Colorado games to start.

Ok I hardly call the last two games one score losses. Prevent D gave us our last score in each. Those were really two score losses to inferior talent but superior coaching.

 

[King Kong]

Then I will apply.

Besides Urban, who is all but guaranteed to improve the roster for the next coach while he gets NU winning again. I just want Trev to hire the guy he thinks is the right man for the job. The fans don't have a good track record.

Neither does the administration!

 

[chisler]

Yep. (no sarcasm) I would be happy with making a boring hire. How about just a good coach with an OK to good won-loss record who would be a perfect fit at Nebraska? This program needs a strip down and rebuild. Find a coach who would shelve the tunnel walk for a couple years. Let's take away some of that false sense of accomplishment or entitlement that seems to pervade this program-- we get up for night games against undefeated teams but come out flat against Big 10 West opponents year after year.

what does the tunnell walk have to do with winning and losing?

 

[beaglehusker]

Neither does the administration!

Well I said Trev, not the administration

 

[bama_husker]

Everyone wants the coach with the "wow" factor. Urban Meyer, Ed Orgeron, Lane Kiffin, etc...Well sports fans we got that guy 4 short years ago. His name was Scott Frost. He was the hottest young coach in the country. Florida, Tennessee and a bunch of other big name schools were after him. NU got him and here we are 4 years later as an utter failure. Mike Riley and Bill Callahan were better hires with better records. Let that sink in Husker Nation. So, if and when Trev hires a guy that everyone says who, what and why? Just look at MSU and Mel Tucker. He was that guy. We don't need the wow factor. We need a solid fundamentals coach who can prepare a team to not look like a clown show every week. Who can develop talent. Who will pull your *** if you're still making the bonehead plays after 4 years!! Much sooner. A guy that will be a "wow" coach after 5 to 10 years of wins and stability. The recruits will come with the new facilities, the fan support and NIL money. Once we start winning again. We play in the Big 10 West. A solid coach who teaches discipline and fundamentals can come in here next year and win 8. Just by not beating ourselves and gifting games away. Winning the West every year or every other year. Guaranteed. Don't lose faith Husker fans. Don't say well if Frost can't win who can? That's such a defeatist loser attitude it makes me sick. We are ****ing Nebraska!! We are bigger than one man or one failed coach. Frost tried his best. It didn't pan out. Time to part ways and find our Mel Tucker. GBR!!!

I liked the Frost hire, but his contract and extention were fairly outrageous. Whoever is hired, lets not get into a long term contract until we see some results.

 

[pharvey0829]

Sounds like they might be trying to run Patterson out of town at TCU. At one time, I would have loved to have him. Thoughts?

Gary Patterson is a mediocre coach much like Mike Riley. He did good when TCU played against weak competition in the Mountain West but his success rate declined drastically when TCU joined the Big 12 and had to play real competition week in and week out. Aside from the 2014 season, TCU hasn't had great success in the Big 12.

 

[Dean Pope]

gruden, urban, herman, ut's current coach, leech, cambel, cincy's coach, okie state coach, or baylors

None of those guys would be on Trev’s list for various reasons.