Frost took over a team that had won 19 games the prior 3 years and Harbaugh a team that had won 20
Frost gets another year Martinez will too..
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Frost took over a team that had won 19 games the prior 3 years and Harbaugh a team that had won 20
Go back and look at Harbaugh's predecessor's class rankings. I think every time Bozo and Mike went up against Michigan for a recruit with the exception of the TE who really didn't seem to like football, they lost the battle. Regardless of Brady's record, there is no doubt that Michigan had more talent than when Frost took over Nebraska. I also believe that Harbaugh didn't make such a radical change on offense as Frost did. I actually think Harbaugh is a good coach. I think he's a dick and I don't like his personality but I think he is probably a better x's and o's coach than Frost. IF Frost gets another year the excuses are for sure over. He'll have a team made of only his players and that first wasted recruiting class will virtually all be gone.
There is no doubt that based on class rankings that Michigan classes had more talent than we did. Equally certain based on class rankings is that Nebraska has had more talented classes than every team in the west division. Last year was the first year in more than a decade that any team currently in the west had a higher ranked class than Nebraska. Despite this, over the last 4 years we aren’t going to have a winning record against any team in the west. Harbaugh has underachieved but not anywhere near to the degree Frost.
Hoke's classes IF I remember correctly were routinely in the top 15. When Harbaugh took the job I think he promptly added a top 5 class or 2 in a row. The margin between our classes and some of our B1G west brethren was not all that much. Once you drop out of the top 10-15 it's pretty damned even down to the low 30s. I think the biggest factor in Frost's problems were 1. the dearth of talent when he took over. 2. the almost complete failure of that first last minute class. 3. the failure of his first WR coach's recruiting 4. their misses in their O line recruiting that 2nd year and 5. Letting Gebbia get away which goes hand in hand with his QB recruiting.
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That's my gut feeling, win 2 of the last 4 and he's likely to be retained. Less than that (3-4 wins total), retaining him may depend on other factors (booster support, HC prospects, etc.).
Then Osborne hired Head Coach Bo Pelini and the next season, with mostly the same players he went 9-4 including a Jan 1st Gator Bowl win over Clemson led by Head Coach Dabo Swiney.
I was at that game and talked to several players thru out that week and I can tell you those players did NOT Callahan!
A great coach can come on and win the last coaches players if they don't make excuses bout needing his own players to come in and DEVELOP. He just needs to adapt his scheme to the talent that he has!
People like to drop the Billy C and Osborne story but the relationship between those two was entirely different than the relationship that exists between men of that same fraternity as Trev and Frost.
There's some part of Trev and Frost that knows they know how to win because they fall from the same tree and the same era where it was standard. There's also some at least small part of Trev that thinks him and Frost can row in the same direction culturally... something that wouldn't be guaranteed in a merc hire. A big plus in a big undertaking.
Wouldn't surprise me to see Frost get the axe if the bottom falls out but I think Trev is going to give him every benefit of the doubt so I do think we have him another year.
The choice of words of craze lala land leads me to believe that NU is not going to just jettison and hope it goes out and finds a Nick Saban. I think Trev is going to be iterative in his approach rather than just take and axe to everyone.
There's some part of Trev and Frost that knows they know how to win because they fall from the same tree and the same era where it was standard. There's also some at least small part of Trev that thinks him and Frost can row in the same direction culturally... something that wouldn't be guaranteed in a merc hire. A big plus in a big undertaking.
Wouldn't surprise me to see Frost get the axe if the bottom falls out but I think Trev is going to give him every benefit of the doubt so I do think we have him another year.
The choice of words of craze lala land leads me to believe that NU is not going to just jettison and hope it goes out and finds a Nick Saban. I think Trev is going to be iterative in his approach rather than just take and axe to everyone.
1. I thought Trev was a bad and way too convenient hire.
2. I’m pretty sure Trev is the right dude.
2. I’m pretty sure Trev is the right dude.
My how the standards have changed for Nebraska. End up with a 7-5 season and TO says, "we can maybe make it work”.
I'm not really getting your point here. Trev knows Frost knows how to win as a quarterback. But Frost was hired to win as a coach. I'd think Trev's decision would be all about his estimation whether Frost can ever be a winning coach, and if so, how much more collateral damage the state, boosters and fans are willing to put up with to get there. I would expect a highly-effective CEO to make decisions on the present and likely future and give little, if any consideration to what went on more than 20 years ago. And if that is what he does and NU goes 3-7 or 4-8 I assume Frost is toast.
I am not convinced we win another game this yr. We seem to play down to the level of teams we should beat, and find a way to give it away at the end of the game. I hope this doesn't happen, but am preparing myself for it.
AD's often use diplomatic speech. It's just that he didn't have to say "extraordinary" proud....that was over-the-top.
explanation please. I know your deal is sarcasm but are you implying that you've changed your mind about Trev?
Can't imagine there were any differences between the talent level if those to rosters....but whatever spin your narrative however you like.
You all read way to much into press conferences and radio shows. TA said exactly what he should have said. Nothing. Just like SF says we look great in practice. Blah blah blah
It's ALWAYS an excuse in the NARRATIVE Y'all have.
He didn't get to play the first because of weather.
Covid year last year.
Beliema was NEW COACH and he didn't have film on him.
He lost 20 games by a TD or less
Just needs a OL coach
Just needs a ST coach
He's shakeout
Adrian doesn't have Stanley and JD to throw too
Too many players transfered out
Gotta get HIS OWN PLAYERS in
The refs don't like us
If hecant win here NOBODY can
People on messageboards are too hard on him so he can't win.
It takes at least 5 years to be able to have a winning record these days.
His dad died last year...I could go on and on.
Meanwhile every team that kicks our *** has players out for covid, injured, new coaches, new schemes, not traditional powers, walk on QB's and 1st year transfers, teams coming off scandals! NO EXCUSES!
What excuse? Did Michigan have a better roster for Harbaugh to take over? The answer is yes. Really light years better. But spin your story your way....
Forget Michigan’s roster/talent/recruiting rankings vs Nebraska’s
why do we currently have a 0.300 winning percentage (6-14) against the big ten west since 2018?
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Frost has clearly come up short. I'm not and have not argued that he shouldn't be fired. His record is abysmal and could very well get him canned. Maybe it should. But we don't have to go comparing apples to oranges. Harbaugh came into a much better situation with far more talent than Frost did. That's not an excuse for losing to the likes of Illinois and Minnesota in year 4.
Frost could very well be fired at the end of the season, and I'm ok with that. He could also very well be retained, and I'm good with that too.
Jeez you people still blaming rosters?? A roster is as good as the head coach makes it.
People thought Hoke had a terrible roster and couldn't recruit until Harbaugh came.
People thought Callahan classes were overrated til Pelini showed up!
What roster Franklin had when he took over...like 68 players?
How bout Mel Tucker being hired in February and to take over a scandal ridden team that won 3 games, then getting spring practice canceled and not being able to train his player til October of last year. Did he make excuses?? Look what his team has done!
How bout scandal ridden Iowa, Minnesota, Rutgers, Indiana the last 5 years also.
Nevraska has NO SCANDALS....NO EXCUSES for not having a winning season in 5 years. When you set your expectations LOW your team will MEET them....
Where I did blame a roster? I've made zero excuses for frost or his record. Making an argument that Harbaugh didn't have a better roster to start off with is stupid. Try taking a deep breath and using some basic reading skills.
Take that you people **** and shove it up your ***.