On the other hand, we are last in a ****** division, and have looked REALLY bad more than once against bad teams.
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when you're a dumpster fire of a program it just might.
we had offensive lineman that literally didn't do squats when Frost got here.
we had guys so mentally weak that they tried to lead a mutiny against practicing in the snow.
yes, Frost should have more wins than he does, but we need to stop acting like took over a program that was anything better than garbage.
we were losing to an 8-5 Iowa by 40 and a 5-7 Minnesota by 30 the year before he took over.
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So, tell me how long you get to play this get out jail free card? These are his players on the roster. The QB HE wanted, everything from players to walk on program to new facilities starting. Some of HIS players have been in HIS system for 4 years and they still cannot win.
Seriously, have you watched a game? I mean really watched the individual players and their lack of execution?
This is year 4 for crying out loud and you want to keep using that as an excuse. BTW, and I am not arguing for Riley but do you realize that some of the best stats we had were in Frost's first year with Riley players. Explain that.
Yeah it's year 4, but for a quarter of the starters on offense it's year 1. And for some it's only year 2.
Yes, I have watched games. Minnesota and Illinois were bad. We played good against OU, Michigan and Michigan state. All rated in the top 10.
I want wins against those team's too, but saying we didn't beat them in year 4 so Frost has to go is unreasonable expectations.
Name the "quarter of the starters on offense this year" that are in year one.
Edit: while you are doing your research, list all the teams in our division who have recruited better than Nebraska the past four years. How do you explain the success at Michigsn St with a coach in his second year? Or how does Minnesota continually own us? I know you want to tell us how close we are but we aren't playing horse shoes and that other game and last I looked, we are still losing. While you are doing your homework, how many seniors do we lose from the D?
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All I know is that the university would be getting off cheap if they paid by the win.
After reading all of these varied posts for some time, I have reached the conclusion (I'm not that sharp.)
that the experiment is over. There are no more excuses....So sorry because I really thought that our prodigal
son was the answer. Time to cut the cord....Pity!
that the experiment is over. There are no more excuses....So sorry because I really thought that our prodigal
son was the answer. Time to cut the cord....Pity!
Riley was doing fine until he bent the knee to Eichorst on Mark Banker. One could argue had that not happened he could still be here. It was one season of patty cake defense and Chinander has fixed it. Hell, Riley even recruited offensive line to Frost’s system.
terrible take. Mark Banker's defense was so bad that Ohio State didn't even have to punt. A weak Iowa put 40 on the Huskers that same year.
Mike Riley literally let the offensive line not do squats. having your offensive line not strengthen their lower body is like telling the RB's and WR's "nah you don't have to run if you don't feel like it."
Riley was decent when he had Pelini holdovers, but he started to turn the team soft exponentially fast.
I don't think there's a single starter on offensive line this year that was recruited by Riley.
If you think there is 0 progress from year 1 than your nuts!
Not that I want to go down memory lane on this one but we got blown out multiple times that year. I don't see that happening anymore. We are night and day different from where we were 4 years ago. The program was so toxic and a mess after riley it was always going to take 5-6 years to get it back to being competitive for B1G ten titles and I think we are right on track for that. We are competitive in every game .
Right on track? Hell, we're lucky to win a couple of games.
Why does frost need 5-6 years to do something many coaches do in a relatively short period of time? It's been 4 years and he's sub .500 every season.
Wins matter the most. Stats, competitiveness, shiny wheels, smooth talking, it's all pointless without a checkmark in the w column.
We played them tough. Yeah but we still lost and that my friend does not put us closer to any B10 title talk..
I'm someone who loves the talk of firing underperforming coaches. However even I was pretty perplexed about why we fired Banker that year. I felt the defense was a lot like this year where we were making marked improvement and didn't see the need to fire him.
agree 100%
less disruption to what is currently built, at least on defense and you get a guy to prove himself before paying absurd amounts of money..
I'm quite surprised we haven't seen this more across the landscape, where there is a low base salary, say 500K-1M with each win being worth 200-500k.
You could obviously adjust as needed, but that model makes a heck of a lot more sense to me.
Amazing things happen with good Incentives. Our country was founded on such. A guarantee is worthless
I am starting to think that the fans that put no blame on Frost are the same fans that had to google Mike Riley and then convinced themselves that he would so great here because he would finally have the "resources" and they are also the same fans that think Bo fought a booster in the basement of a hotel.
Barry Alvarez also agreed with Mike Riley as being a good hire, even recommended him. Wouldn't hang my hat on the Alvarez endorsement!
Read my reply. It isn't difficult, it's in this thread and a reply to your statement. Avoid much?
I think it would be a tough sell to the normal fans that Frost is coming back and that we should be excited about it.
The Frost-or-die crowd will love it and the fans that are more excited about partying (me) for games won't really care but a huge section of the fans will stop showing up.
I think the Fire Frost crowd is louder. I would venture to say that 80-85% of fans see the progress and know we are close. We lose all that progress if he gets fired.
Did it really require an answer?
OU is over rated and has been living on the edge all season so Nebraska isn't anything special because we scored some moral victory against them. Hell, they replaced their qb who was playing like garbage this season.
Michigan State is decent but do you really think they're a top 10 team? They likely won't be here soon so your list will be a bit shorter.
What good are these moral victories against top 10 teams when you lose to them along with everyone else?
I want to see what he can do with an efficient quarterback. Nothing elite, just someone who can keep moving the chains and maximize all the talent around him
You make a good point. Someone on the Gopher board pointed out that from 2017 - 2021 you guys are the only team in the West to have a composite rating of .87 or higher EVERY YEAR. WI did it 3 teams, MN and Iowa once, and NW, Purdue, Illinois zero times.
As bad as he was, Banker was still light years better than his replacement. No doubt Riley would have won more games his last year IF he had kept Banker but probably not enough to save his job. The tradition coalition wanted him gone and maybe rightly so. Riley would have been mired in the same spot Frost has been with the kind of players he was recruiting.
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There's just something about Adrian that IMO isn't inspiring his teammates. Maybe it's the repeated crunch time failures. He almost seems too calm and nonchalant in playing the game. I just don't see the fire in the belly a team needs from their leader.
Because in the day of the Transfer Portal we would lose so many. This staff has 13-17 scholarships for next year so that goes into the recruiting plan, I expect we see transfer portal guys and JUCO guys. Even Frost said not going after a ton of freshman. So if you fire him in November day after Iowa. That leaves 2.5 weeks until the Early Signing Period. So that one is Out, all the decent prospects will sign then. After that they bring in a coach that the players don't want to play for lets say 15 hit the portal. That now opens almost 30 scholarships with no good recruits left to choose from. It would be a tough blow to a team that is 3-5 Players away from being a Top 10 team.
Why can't the new coach just attack the transfer portal, which will have more kids in it than probably ever before?
That would be the MSU plan and not doubt you would be horrid NEXT season. Next season is the easiest schedule we've had in years and could be a spring board for a coach to get his feet underneath him whether it is Frost or a new guy. Big decision looming.
But the argument seems odd.
Frost leaves and a bunch of kids transfer for some reason (ones that are not winning games now), my guess is a few transfer, regardless of Frost staying or going.
Then it is that the recruiting class (that sucks) will fall apart.
Then it is that all the good players will have already signed.
I mean, that is a lot of what-ifs when we sort of know the Frost results.
Maybe, but I don't think the money has anything to do with it. That money is there if TA has the right support.
Plus a new coach means tons of new donations.
Most of the players don't even like Frost, so I fail to see where all of these extra transfers are coming from if he's replaced. Most transfers under a new coaching staff would be bottom of the roster deadweight, and it would be easier than ever to replace those guys with better guys from the transfer portal. With good coaches you often see immediate improvement on the field and in the win column.
MOST of the players don't even like Frost? Good heavens. Where do you get that B.S.? I have never heard one word of that from anyone but you.