Tim Beck is NC State's OC?
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IMO, Tim Beck was probably the most underrated and under-appreciated OC we've had. Anybody who can call plays with a lunatic screaming in his headset and have as much success as he had has something going right. I would have been just fine if we had canned Bo and made Beck our HC. In addition he had a reputation as a very good recruiter. Very good coach but he might not quite be smooth enough to deal with the media and donors. IMO, KU screwed up by not hiring him to run their program. His connections in Texas high schools would have been money for KU.
I dunno.. he didn’t last long on Urbans staff..
Just another coach riding the coattails of a player (todd reesing) and then leveling up his career.
he should have taken lessons from Scott Frost though..
Just another coach riding the coattails of a player (todd reesing) and then leveling up his career.
he should have taken lessons from Scott Frost though..
Under Bo Pelini we had good offenses, schemes, players, IDENTITY and scored points! None of this riff raff pop Warner offense we run now!
Damn I miss that..
Damn I miss that..
Beck was handcuffed by Urban IMO. What finally happened at OSU is that it became obvious that Urban needed to let his OC run the offense. That really didn't happen until Urban was suspended for those games. Once that happened things really took off for them. Urban is over rated as a game day play caller. There have been lots of assistants who didn't mesh well with Urban.
Imagine how good they could have been if they hadn't had a lunatic screaming profanities in their headsets when they were trying to call plays. It was telling that the best half of football we played during Pelini's entire tenure was when they took him to the hospital at halftime after he drank too much RedBull. He was having chest pain and throwing PVCs. Too bad his defense didn't match the offense after Suh left.
That ‘lunatic’ as you say has been the closest thing to success since Tom retired. If you can’t stand someone yelling, maybe try another profession snowflake.
Apparently nobody else wants them as their head coach either. I don't mind a little yelling. Don't mind a coach chewing a player's *** if he needs it. What I do mind is repeatedly getting your *** kicked by mediocre teams in crucial games, the nonstop over the top verbal abuse of refs that cost us multiple penalties and in at least one case probably the loss of a game. The verbal abuse of media members and athletic department staff didn't fit the job description either. He was not a good fit. He was not a good head coach. He needed to go. Period. Would I take his win/loss record from a decent human being. Sure. But he didn't behave like a decent human being at Nebraska. Go ask Tom Osborne if he had it to do over again if he would hire him. I've heard him in multiple interviews over the past 4 years say that in retrospect he had made a mistake in hiring him.
Obviously he has NEVER seen Smart, Dabo, Saban, Jimbo, Mullen, Harbaugh and the likes scream into their headsets!
This is the epitomy of why players are soft, young people are weak, got they hand out, want everything given to them.....just SNOWFLAKES! No wonder our program is so pathetic now...you can't coach players or the other coaches without some "fans" being offended.
Typical CNN MSNBC inspired fake hysteria...
Harbaugh probably hurts his team at times too when he gets hysterical. I guess people have forgotten how Bo's defense fell apart when Bo lost it on the sideline. Do you remember all of the personal foul flags? There was a time when Tom had sat down with Bo and told him he had to get things under control and Bo was better for a while. Some say that he had sought some anger management counseling and was on some meds for it. There is one story where Tom had to talk one female athletic department employee down from filing charges. I thought he might be able to hold things together but then he fell apart again. He doesn't deal well with pressure and there is no way in hell he should be a head coach at a major college program. Hell he failed miserably at YSU. I wish nothing bad for the guy but we should strive for better from one of the most visible role models in our state.
Beck is a mediocre OC at best. He's one of the main reasons Herman got fired at Texas. People must forget all the complaints about not having an identity while he was here. Tmagic ran the zone read to perfection his freshman year when Watson was still OC. When Beck was the OC, he made the wrong read more often than not.
Bo was overboard but Nick Saban can look a little nutso on the sideline when he's ticked off. He doesn't seem to handle mistakes well..
Herman was the main reason Herman got fired at Texas. TMagic's "reads" were often called handoffs and if they weren't TMagic liked to call his own number whether it was the right read or not. Beck may be mediocre but the evidence would still say that he was probably the best OC we've had at NU since Callahan was calling plays. BTW, I liked Watson as well but he's bounced around alot too. Beck and Garrison are getting it done fairly well at NCState.
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Saban can lose it but he always gets it back in control very quickly. IMO, Saban always has a purpose when he lets er blow. Bo would just lose his mind and be consumed by his rage.
If hiring Bo was a mistake...then I would hate to see what you and TO think of Riley and Frost.
Bo hated the annoying fans and the annoying media, so would I so would you.
Bo and his staff are buds.
Beck did a good job of play design and scheme. My biggest problem with him was that he wouldn't stay with what was working.
Bo and whose staff are buds. None of them other than Carl and Joe Ganz wanted to work with him again. Tom obviously didn't like the Riley hire but was at least professionally courteous to him. Think of this what IF though. What IF Tom had done the right thing during one of Bo's meltdowns by removing him and promoting Beck to head coach? Beck and Bo had some public disagreements and animosity. Would we maybe be in a better place than we are right now by avoiding the controversy over Bo's firing by an outsider and then the failure of the Riley hire? My personal opinion is that we would because I think Beck could have have coached us to 8-9 wins without all of the turnover and turmoil. Beck was a very organized detail oriented guy who could recruit his *** off.
The bottom line is that some of our struggles over the past 2 decades lie at the feet of one of college football's greatest coaches. Tom would have had the opportunity to pick somebody better than Riley IF he had done the inevitable by canning Bo. Bo had his foot out the door almost from the minute he got to Lincoln and Tom should have pushed him the rest of the way. No doubt Bo would have had other better opportunities too before that audiotape surfaced. When Tom told Bo to fire Carl the first time and he refused, he had his chance to fire Bo and he didn't pull the trigger.
Taylor was much better running the zone read his freshman year than at any other time, regardless if it was a called handoff or not. Saying Tim Beck is the best OC since Callahan is like arguing who's the best midget basketball player. Who cares when you have 7 footers like Embiid and Davis and 6'9" players like LeBron and Durant dominating the game.
He really was never completely healthy after his freshman year though either. I agree that we've had some issue with OCs but people keep hiring Watson and Beck. Their reputation in the coaching ranks is pretty good. Let me know when you get a P5 offer to coach.
Why the hell would you want to promote Beck to head coach when there were literally hundreds of better options out there at the time? Same with the people who want to promote Chinander now. Stop with the inbred thinking. We're not Iowa.
Bo haters remind me of Trump haters.
Bo could walk on water and you guys would complain that he didn't know how to swim.
What is next, the "story" about him getting kicking out of a middle school softball game (or was it basketball) for going crazy...or the road rage story...or the basement story?
Look, it is okay to not like a guy and still admit he did a good job. Dude finished 1/2 in the division every season but once.
I was talking about a mid-season coaching change in particular when Tom told Bo to fire Carl and Bo told him to f off. Eventually Tom got his way but it took a while. I can't believe that Tom put up with all of the on field and off the field stuff with Bo. I have family who knew AD staff well at the time and the stuff going on in the football offices were no better than the meltdowns on the field. Tom could have easily pulled the trigger and virtually nobody would have questioned it. Meanwhile I don't think we would have missed a beat without Bo and it would have removed the main source of controversy in the program.
Our athletic department has been a fluster cluck for years and IMO we may finally have the chancellor, the president down to the AD right. Now the question is whether we have the right head coach or not. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
Dude, everything you are saying means one thing...TO was at fault and he was the problem. Not Bo.
I know for a fact the basement story is either embellished or completely made up. The guy who started the rumor runs a paid site dedicated to discussing rumors about Nebraska football. Gee, I wonder if there's any conflict of interest there.
Yep!
I remember one of the lame posters that "broke" the news and it was remarkable in how fake it was.
Just like Frost ******* college girls at Gate 25, yet, not one picture of Scott at Gate 25.
If I recall correctly, the coaching staff wore headsets at practice, so that they could overcome the yelling and get into the flow of the up tempo look offense that TB was so successful with at KU. Underated NU asst.
Did Bo know that his salary was paid by those “annoying” fans and it is the job of the “annoying” media to ask questions; even tough questions that Bo felt was beneath him to answer? Did Bo ever consider he was the annoying one and not the fans or the media? Did Bo understand the employee and employer relationship and the parameters of that relationship? Did Bo know that being the head coach of the Nebraska Cornhuskers is a very public position and there are inherent responsibilities in being the “face” of the football team and the University of Nebraska?
It is my opinion that Bo was, and is, an arrogant, self absorbed, mentally unstable individual with significant anger management issues. He was an embarrassment to the University of Nebraska.
I disagree. When he told the fans to kiss his a** on the way out the door, I think he was justified in his rant. Bo wanted loyal fans who would stay till the bitter end and support their team.
How in the heck can you conclude that TO was the problem and not Bo?!
TO made the mistakes in hiring Bo, in putting up with his bullcrap and in extending his contract, but that is all TO did; he made mistakes. The problem was Bo and his unprofessional and outrageous behavior. Do you remember when TV announcers describing out of control football coaches on the sideline as, “he really went Pelini there”. Bo was a complete embarrassment. TO made mistakes, but Bo was the problem.
This is such a lame take, this is like parents that ***** "I pay your salary" to teachers.
I did not conclude that, that is what that other poster was saying.
Also, stop being embarrassed so easily. Good lord.
Beck wasn’t the offensive coordinator, he was a WR coach. Ed Warinner was their OC.
This is your best response? I didn’t expect anything else because after reading dozens of your posts, I have concluded you are nothing but a blowhard with nothing of substance to post.
No, you did make this conclusion. You originally posted, “Dude, everything you are saying means one thing ... TO was at fault and he was the problem. Not Bo”
So, by your own words, you are interpreting what the OP wrote and making a conclusion based on your interpretation.
A dictionary can be your friend.